Breaking Down The 2024 New York Giants Draft Class - Full Review

In this episode of the Giants-focused podcast, the hosts embark on a comprehensive breakdown of the team's 2024 Draft Class, meticulously dissecting each pick and delving into the potential impact these new additions could have on the upcoming season. The discussion kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the Giants' first-round selection, wide receiver Malik Nabers out of LSU. With his explosive playmaking ability and refined route-running skills, Nabers has the potential to inject a dynamic spark into the Giants' offense, reminiscent of past star receiver Odell Beckham Jr. However, concerns linger regarding Nabers' size and strength, leaving some pundits wary of his ability to excel against physical NFL defenses.

Moving on to the second-round pick, safety Tyler Nubin from Minnesota, the hosts applaud the Giants' shrewd maneuvering to acquire this talented defensive prospect via a trade with the Seattle Seahawks. Nubin's versatility and knack for making game-changing plays on defense, coupled with his contributions on special teams, make him a valuable asset for the Giants' defensive unit. However, questions remain about Nubin's athleticism and whether he possesses the elite speed necessary to thrive in the NFL.

Transitioning to the third-round selection, cornerback Andru Phillips out of Kentucky, the hosts analyze the strengths and weaknesses of this promising defensive back. Phillips impresses with his solid tackling ability, prowess in run defense, and proficiency in zone coverage schemes. However, concerns arise over his lack of recovery speed and a noticeable absence of interceptions, raising doubts about his ability to consistently shut down opposing wide receivers at the professional level.

As the discussion progresses to the fourth-round pick, tight end Theo Johnson from Penn State, the hosts weigh the potential impact of this intriguing pass-catching prospect. Johnson's towering frame and reliable hands offer tantalizing possibilities in the Giants' offensive arsenal, yet questions linger regarding his proficiency as a blocker and the need for refinement in his route-running abilities. Nevertheless, Johnson's high ceiling presents an enticing prospect for the Giants' coaching staff to develop.

In the fifth round, the Giants selected running back Tyrone Tracy Jr. from Purdue, a dynamic playmaker with the versatility to contribute in multiple facets of the game. Tracy's explosive burst, balanced running style, and reliable hands out of the backfield make him an intriguing addition to the Giants' offensive backfield. However, Tracy's rawness as a running back and deficiencies in vision and long-range speed suggest that he may require time to fully acclimate to the rigors of the NFL.

Lastly, the podcast hosts delve into the Giants' sixth-round selection, linebacker Darius Muasau out of UCLA, praising his football acumen, tenacious tackling ability, and instincts on the field. Muasau's cerebral approach to the game, coupled with his relentless motor and aptitude for making plays in the backfield, bode well for his potential impact on the Giants' defense. However, concerns arise over Muasau's lack of elite athleticism and str

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Giant Goofball, a New York Giants podcast. Are you a goofball that loves Giants football? If so, sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much. And now, here are your goofball hosts, Drew and Rob. Welcome, fellow goofballs, to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. I am Drew, joined as always by... Amit Arad. We're talking about a day of three picks. Oh, we're talking about day three picks. We're going to give you guys the full rundown as well, so that way, if you have missed anything Thursday, Friday, you're going to leave here basically knowing every single gosh darn G. Williker thing here that happened yesterday. With the 2024 NFL Draft and the New York Football Giants here. So, apologize here for the late start. We had a little bit of technical support issue here. We know you guys love watching Rob, but we wanted to be able to hear Rob and have him hear us as well. So, we had to wait a little bit there. A little headphone incident there. A little behind the scenes. Your laptop, who this? Yeah, so, all right, guys. So, we ended this draft with a lot of holes. A lot of holes, guys. Yeah, and we went into this going, we got to fix some stuff here. We got QB, CB, RB, all the Bs, the Bs knees, the tight end position, the defensive line. There's a lot of stuff here, and You know, it's also, you look at the whole situation, there was way too many people, way too many holes, I should say, for us to fill tonight, guys. For us to fill this weekend as a whole. No pun intended. There was not enough Jägermeister or Jameson to go around tonight. Part of this also was also the extra trades we made. Obviously, we lost a pick with Isaiah Simmons. We lost a pick with Boogie Basham. We gave up some of the picks that we had. So, yeah, we got some stuff to do here. And obviously, there's going to be some undrafted free agents as well coming probably as well. So we'll probably give you guys the full breakdown on the undrafted free agents here on Monday. So keep an eye out for that one here. So, yeah. Let's break out right into the draft show. Let's give you guys a quick recap rundown here. And I mean quick. I mean, no, we're not doing quick. We never do anything quick. You guys know that. We're here forever. It's like, but Rob and I do this all the time. We're like, it's going to be a quick show tonight. 45 minutes later. Oh my God. I work in 35 minutes later. Yeah, it's never quick here, guys. So first up here, we got, of course, pick six Malik neighbors here starting us off here. You know, our first pick. And, you know, one of those kind of a shock for some people because some people thought quarterback. So let's give you guys a little taste of what Malik neighbors can do. There's that big old hug. I mean, oh, that's not part of the highlights. What'd you say? He played quarterback as well? That's it. It's quarterback three of the ball. Yeah. Oopsie. Yeah, so Deb's already kind of beat us to the punch, as she often does here. She's quick, and she's definitely in with everything going on with the Giants here. But while we're going over these players, guys, I want to hear what your thoughts are. So I want to hear what everybody else thinks, because we want to know, are we crazy for how we think of these picks? We want to know, or we, you know... Are we maybe off base on what some other people are thinking here? So, you know, let us know what you guys think as well here, pick by pick, as we keep going through here. If you're in the Twitter world, because a lot of you guys are in the Twitter world here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of X here. We got a little D generation X here going on here. So I appreciate you guys listening, but if you're in there, we can't see questions, unfortunately. But if you pop onto YouTube, that's the best way for us to see that kind of stuff. We've just searched two giant coupons. We'll come right up. But like I said, I want to be – you guys are also interactive with this whole thing here. All right. Anyway, Malik Neighbors. We've run down the stats here for him several times here. So I'm just going to give you last year's stats for him real quick. 13 games, 89 receptions, 1,569 yards, 14 touchdowns, and one rush for one yard too. Can't forget that one rush for that one yard. That's what I'm saying. You can't give up that yard. Yeah. now here's our notes we had pre-draft on him so I don't want to make it seem like we're changing our opinions on guys like oh the giants drafted them they're spectacular now when we said they correct we're crap beforehand so you know we're going to give you guys that as well we did which to be honest half the guys that they drafted we didn't even have positions here yeah I was gonna say once we got to uh halfway through day two we went We definitely disagree with some places with the Giants there, to be very frank with you guys here. We're not saying Shane's horrible. We're not going that negative here. Keep in mind that Joe Shane has access to stuff that we don't have access to. Medical, interviews, all kinds of stuff. They're talking to his babysitter from fifth grade. We don't have access to that kind of shit. But let's get into what we said. I don't know. Pros and cons here. Pros, we had great burst upon catch, great at tracking deep ball and good route runner. Cons, we just had size and strength, but also that's a little bit of trouble with the press coverage there. Let's be very frank and not cut hairs here. This guy has the potential. to be not only the best wide receiver since OBJ, but if he stays here long term... The best. Guys, he's 20 years old. in giants history he very well could end up being that kind of pick again I'm not saying he's going to be but if he's good as advertising he stays here long term he will blow away the numbers here because again the giants while we've had some great receivers over the years you know I'm not trying to say we haven't any obj was here too short term to be like oh my god top dogs here you know, in the Giants wide receiver. You know, Imani Toomer holds a lot of the records for guys. There's a lot of that based on longevity. He was just a good, solid player who was here for a decade plus. You know, you got obviously Plexiglas. Burris was here for a little while there. You know, you got some good players there. But there wasn't this guy that's like in that Mount Rushmore of Giants players. So Malik Neighbors has a chance to really set himself up here with that. And the big thing is his athleticism. The guy is extremely athletic. The guy just does things that most people point blank cannot do. And I don't mean most people like me and Rob here, who obviously, you know, we're sitting down talking about football instead of playing it for a reason. I was a contender. Come on, Drew. I was left bench. Yeah, I was a contender with this guy. He was also a contender. But the big thing is that he does things that football players, receivers, just point blank cannot do. Cannot do. If you watch the clips we just showed you guys there, there was one move specifically where he just seemed to make one step and get a five-yard separation there. Now, is that going to happen in the NFL? Probably not. He's facing better competition. But if that five-yard stretch becomes a three-yard stretch, you're still wide the hell open in NFL terms, guys. I was going to say, yes. I mean, he can't beat Juan when he's in college, but my God, if he does half what he did in college, he's going to be a great player. great and like you said if he stays with the giants long term there's very possibility that he might be one of the best of the best the best of the best of the best sir yeah but you know and we gotta we gotta we gotta address the elephant in the room with this too, because let's be honest, I think most people know who bleak neighbors is. So I don't want to go too much into the, you know, profile. We already did that. Excuse me there. I've got allergies all of a sudden here. I'm allergic to negativity because we're about to talk about some negativity here. I'm allergic to negativity. And that's the fans that keep saying, who's going to throw him the ball? Listen, I don't dispute that we need a quarterback. I do not dispute we need a quarterback. Let me be very, very cut and dry and clear on that, folks. When we picked, the top three quarterbacks were gone. All three parts are the Giants went crazy trying to trade up at that point with the Patriots. Offered next year's first round pick, second round pick, all this stuff. They offered enough to make it worthwhile if the Patriots wanted to do it. In my opinion, and a lot of what I'm hearing from people who have inside knowledge, the Patriots weren't going to trade no matter what. Guys, I told you this in our latest mock draft. If they would trade that pick, they would have been absolute morons. They don't have a quarterback. They have no future whatsoever on that roster. They needed one. So we had left J.J. McCarthy, who, no offense to J.J., but Giants brass was obviously not impressed. Yeah, way later. I mean, granted, this is probably the fastest that quarterbacks win. Well, hold on. We'll get into that. We'll get into that in a second here. We're going to go bit by bit here. J.J. McCarthy, the Giants obviously weren't interested. That's what it boils down to. They spent a ton of time with him. He even said that he spent more time with the Giants than he did with anybody else. They just didn't like him. They didn't think he was that good. We tend to agree with him on that. He's not that good. And I'm telling you now, watch what happens in Minnesota, guys. He's got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison. He's got T.J. Hawkinson. You know, he's got a good offensive line there. Players to throw to. I'm telling you right now that if he doesn't look great with them, I'll be shocked. And if he does look great, it's not as much a thing on him as it is the talent around him. I was going to say, if he looks mediocre, going to that team with that amount of talent, just know we all would have been disappointed and upset because there's way more talent around them currently that we know that's proven proven. To be around him. Yeah. I mean, we got neighbors who, I mean, obviously could be way better than Jefferson. Whoa, he could be way better than Jefferson? He has the potential. He has the potential. Ooh, I don't know. What are you drinking tonight, by the way, Rob? You're comparing him to one of the top three or four you know receivers in the in the entire nfl if not top depending who you know you can't believe neighbors in the league category before he even plays it down okay do we not all just put the top league neighbors and do we not put you know roman doomsday do we not put Harrison Jr. in elite categories being drafted and you're getting mad at me for saying that. They're elite prospects. You can't sit there and say that a guy who's potentially the best in the NFL is not as good as him. I didn't say that. You're taking out of context. I said, if you go to a team like the Vikings and you have JJ, you have Harkison, You have talent to throw at you. Granted, we did draft talent that has the prospect to be better. And he's mediocre over with the Vikings. Just know he's going to be worse with the Giants. Okay, oh, so you're saying that J.J. McCarthy, to be clear, is not as good a player as Bleak Neighbors. Is that what you're saying? No, no. Because you have J.J. McCarthy, the quarterback. I'm saying J.J. McCarthy. I'm saying J.J. McCarthy. If he goes to – well, he obviously went to Minnesota, and he's got J.J., Just Jefferson. He's got all the talent around him, and he looks average. And J.J. is top receiver, and we picked up an elite aspect that could be better. Could be, not necessarily saying better. And J.J. McCarthy looks average. He looks like Kirk Cousins 2.0. Just know we dodged a bullet. We definitely dodged a bullet, I think, potentially. So, we didn't like him. Michael Penix was there. I don't disagree with them not taking him if they didn't like him either. And you guys know how much I like Penix, guys. I think Penix... He's in a shitty situation and I feel bad for him because he needs to break out the Shawshank Redemption over here at this point. He needs to get the hell out of that prison. Right through the poop channel. But obviously the Giants didn't like him enough. Bo Nix ends up going 12th overall. And we called it that night. I think my exact words were, this is the biggest reach since Stretch Armstrong. Inspector Gadget, I think we made a reference to as well. I mean, it's just like, you can't blame the Giants for not taking a quarterback. At six, because the guy wasn't there. The worst move you could ever make is reaching. So if you don't think somebody is worth six there, don't do it. And I want a quarterback, guys. I want a quarterback. But do you know who's the team that keeps taking quarterbacks that suck over and over again? The goddamn Jets. We are better than the Jets. We are not the Jets, guys. You don't chase a quarterback. You get a quarterback when the right one becomes available. You don't have to keep drafting in the top five. You don't have to keep trading for the senior citizens of the Green Bay Packers. You go ahead and you wait for the right position, the right move at that point. There's other options, guys. Now, real quick, we've got to go to the tirade about the quarterbacks here. Spoiler alert, we didn't get a quarterback at all this draft. Spencer Rattler I was hearing from a lot of people here, and I was very excited to say it until day two, day three, or that point when he was sitting there, did not do very good in the interview process, and a lot of people did not like him. He did not impress. Again, if the Giants are impressed and don't like someone, why would you draft him? Correct. And for all the knocks we have on Daniel Jones, and they're there, and they're legit. I don't care what Daniel Jones lovers say. They're legit knocks. He looks like Bruce Campbell. That's the knock. But what I'm getting at is all the knocks on him. If you're not going to draft somebody that you believe is better than Daniel Jones, then why draft him? 100%. Again, I don't necessarily agree with the evaluation, but I don't have all the information that Shane Dable, the Giants brass, has. And to force them to go ahead and say, you have to go ahead and draft a quarterback. You can't force that. Because even if you don't like him, maybe Drew Locke is somebody that all of a sudden plays better. He did play, keep in mind, last year in Seattle where magical things happened to quarterbacks. Who knows? I still think, if you're that unsure about the quarterback room, and I know people think I'm crazy for this. I don't give a damn. I say what I say and I think what I think. Plenty of crazy shit I say. I still think you'd make a call to Ryan Tannehill. They still can. We can easily free up the money. I don't think he's even going to be that expensive, to be very frank with you, because he knows his career is dwindling down. You get him on a one-year deal, and you hope he can get a quarterback next year. Let's be very frank. No matter what quarterback we had this year, guys, we're not winning a damn Super Bowl. I would love to be wrong. Until we do. Uh-oh, we lost Rob's computer camera there. It just fell. He's very upset about it. It's like, oh, we're not winning a Super Bowl? Yeah. But, I mean, it's the truth, guys. We're not winning a Super Bowl no matter what quarterback we have. The team is not running. So I don't understand why they need to force him. I really don't. Again, I would have loved to get a quarterback. I'm not going to force him into one that we don't want. That's insane. That's where you make mistakes. That's where you have issues. And that's where you don't build up a team when you finally get a quarterback because you waste all these BS picks on quarterbacks that suck. So you go ahead and you get the best player available, especially when he matches a need. Neighbors fits a need. We need a top dog. We need a big-time receiver. We don't have that. And I got to say this, guys. For all the issues we have with the Giants in the last couple of years, very quietly, I feel like right now, we have a good receiver room now, guys. Yeah, it's only been 10 years, but hey, let's go. It's only been a couple years for Shane. I'm saying this as far as that. Look what he walked into. Look at the shit show he walked into at the wide receiver position. Now you got Malik Neighbors, again, hasn't played or down in the NFL. I'm not saying he is a top dog, but he has the ability to be potentially a top dog. We haven't had anybody in a while you could say could potentially be a top dog until we saw Kenny Gowdy, you know, actually playing in the field. We thought that maybe beforehand, but then we saw him play. Oh, God, no. He's obviously not. He's not what he was. But, you know, you have a potential top dog now in Bleak Neighbors. You got Wandale Robinson, who has shown you very good flashes at that point. I still say it again. I'm nuts. I know. 100 catches this year. He has that potential. He has that potential. Jalen Hyatt, who's potentially the fastest wide receiver in the entire NFL and was open quite often last year and a quarterback couldn't see him, couldn't get to him, couldn't figure it out. Not always because of the quarterback's fault. Sometimes the offensive line's fault. I will say that to clarify. You got Darius Slayton. Also improved. Yes. You got Darius Slayton, who is a 700-yard guy almost year in, year out. I think one year he didn't hit that. That's it. Yeah, his rookie year. No, it wasn't even rookie year. It was like his third year or something like that. His rookie year, he had almost 800 yards, I want to say. That's right. I think it was a sophomore year. I can look it up to verify, but I'm pretty sure it's one year. Who cares? Then you got Isaiah Hodgins, who I'm not saying he's great, but he's a good depth piece. This is a legit wide receiver room, guys, for the first time in a long time. So you know what? We fixed the problem with this pick. Potentially, assuming it works out. That's what I'm saying. Potentially. We fix the problem. So... Again, curious what you guys think, though. Malik neighbors. You like the pick? Don't like the pick? Think we should have taken a quarterback? Am I crazy for going on a rant about quarterbacks? We took Pennix Jr. with the sixth pick overall, which is... Listen, I would not have been upset. I really wouldn't have been. If the Giants had that convection and they liked it, I would not have been upset. No, it was different. Knowing... how this draft went. It's a little crazy. The first 12 picks, six quarterbacks go. The first 12 picks, six quarterbacks go. the record of the most quarterbacks taken in the first round. It's within 12 picks. That's what I'm saying. How do you guess that? You can't. And you know what I wonder? I wonder if... I know he wouldn't tell you now, obviously, if you asked him. But I wonder in years to come if Joe Shane got asked, hey, If you knew going into it that all the top-tier quarterbacks would be gone by pick 12, would you have picked a quarterback at 6? And if so, what quarterback? He'll never tell you that now. Thanks, Junior. You know where I'm at. Like I said, obviously they didn't think he was that good. I have to trust their evaluation. They have more content and knowledge than I do at that point because they actually work for an NFL team. I will disagree with saying he's not worth that much. In their eyes. I'm not saying mine, for the record. Yeah. I would agree with myself on that. No problem. We've multiple times. a lot of times took the quarterback every time in the second round not the first round yeah we thought a lot of these quarterbacks will fall into the second round so now that it's over say oh pick six definitely go quarterback no we seven league neighbors from the get-go and I stand by that like I'm not mad by that choice like I i think they did the right move I think in our mocks, we've drafted each of the big three receivers at different points, if I remember correctly. Yeah. We did have Marvin Anderson Jr. once because you had... Yeah, Marvin Anderson Jr. we had last because we thought that J.J. McCarthy would go fourth because they beat the trade. Yes. It didn't happen. It happened at 10 instead. We're kind of right. But yeah, again, this is a good pick, guys. If you hate the pick, then you just, sorry, you just don't understand football. The only thing you can hate about the pick, about the pick, not hate the pick, I should say, about the pick, is I do have a little bit of concerns about Malik Nabors potentially being that Diva receiver. Oh, he's going to be the receiver. Oh, I mean like diva headache for the team. That's my biggest concern. He made the comments about Daniel Jones, and everybody says that we took that out of context, whatever. No, you said it. Don't say that kind of stuff. Because you know what? Now you have an issue. And the second he got it right, everybody wanted to see what was going to happen about Daniel Jones. The first question he got at the press conference, have you talked to Daniel Jones yet? What do you think of Daniel Jones? And he dodged the question, by the way, guys. Yep. He was like Neo. If he dodged it anymore, you'd have thought he got drafted by a baseball team in LA. Just saying. So that's the only concern I have. As long as he proves to be more focused on the team than himself. This is going to be a fun ride, guys. You guys are going to enjoy watching this kid play. I'm telling you, he physically does things that nobody in this draft could do. He is potentially going to be the best wide receiver coming out of this draft. We called it initially when we talked about these wide receivers. He has the highest ceiling. If you're going to tell me somebody's going to become the 1,500-yard receiving yard guy out of this class, it's him. I have no doubt that Harrison Jr. will be consistently a 1,000 to 1,200 kind of guy. I'm just saying. We're going to have to see. We're going to have to get to know him because that's part of the problem we have right now. We don't know him yet. We're going to see what happens. Yeah. The Giants know him. The Giants sat down with him. So I'm going to trust Joe Shane knows what he's doing because he hasn't really brought trouble people in here before. so which is also not like a mayor of family thing to do no it's very much not very much not all right let's get into our second round pick here oh oh yes pick 15 in the second round 47th overall tyler newman safety out of minnesota And yes, I did just reuse our videos from the draft profile with different beginnings deal. But yeah, this was the pick, if you guys remember, that we got for the Leonard Williams deal. So basically, we got Tyler Newben for Leonard Williams. That's what we did. Very much. Plus, if you think about it, kind of in a way, Brian Burns, because we probably wouldn't have made the Brian Burns trade necessarily without that extra second round pick. True. Potentially. Who knows? Again, Shane only knows. We don't know. Again, I'll do the same thing. We already with a draft profile on this guy here, so I'm not going to go too much. And if you want that, go ahead and view it. If you guys should look just Tyler Newman, two giant goofballs and all, we'll come right up for that because we did do as a single video, like a two to five minute video. Anyway. We got season stats at 23, 12 games, 53 tackles, one tackle for loss, one sack, five interceptions, four passes deflected, one fumble recovery, one forced fumble, and an 89.2 PFF grade. This is good, guys. This is the top safety in the draft, bar none. Anybody who tells you differently... is celebrating 420 on a daily basis, not an annual basis. That's what I'm telling you, point blank. So we start off the draft with getting potentially the best receiver in the draft and the best safety in the draft. That's good when you can say that coming off the bat here. He's a guy that's crazy. He's in an A-grade right now. Yeah, he is. He's a guy who goes ahead and plays the deep safety position very well. And that's a hunter's been a spot. He is Xavier McKinney's replacement, point, point. And I know a lot of people are going, oh, he's not Xavier McKinney. Xavier McKinney does this. Xavier McKinney does that. It's a slap in the face to McKinney. I'm not saying that he does exactly what Xavier McKinney does. I'm saying, point, point, he's his on-field replacement. He does some things better, potentially. He could definitely do some things worse. He doesn't have the athleticism, point blank, that McKinney has. But one thing I gotta say is I'm already feeling it as far as like really, I know we don't obviously root for all giant players. This kid has the potential to become one of my favorite giants really quickly. Did you watch, did you watch the video where Joe Shane calls him up to draft him? I did not. Do you have it? Oh my God. This thing was, I can't, I know I can't put it on here. You two will boot us probably. Um, I'm telling you guys, if you look it up, look up the video, Tyler Newben, Joe Shane making the call. This kid had just the most humble reaction ever and was like, I'm telling you, I'm going to give you 100%. You're going to get the best of me, Bob. I'm telling you, I don't have it in front of me. I didn't listen to it until early this morning, so I don't want to make it seem like I know word for word what he said there. But I'm telling you, listen to that. That's pure emotion. That's pure heart. That's pure, like, excitement. And he still came off as humble, hardworking, and a guy that just wants to go play football. I'm telling you, this is going to be a favorite giant for a lot of people very soon. If he's as good as I think he is, and that is his true personality, which I think it is. When you're at the height of your emotion, and this is the same with not the football players, it's everybody. When you're at the height of your emotions, you're showing your true colors. You don't have a chance. You don't have a chance to BS. That part of the brain shut off momentarily because it's just things are just spewing out. I'm telling you right now. He's going to be a good one. He's going to be a good one. great range for somebody especially without the athleticism again he's not the overly athletic guy and that's one issue people had with him but he's got great side to side at that point he's got that kind of range he's got the perfect size he's twitchy when he's doing short kind of uh you know stuff there he's a playmaker I'm talking about five interceptions this past year in minnesota you know he reads the quarterback very well The only knock is that athleticism. And listen, everybody's got an issue. Nobody's perfect. Not even me. I want to be. I think I am at times. But I'm not. This kid's going to be good, I'm telling you. He's going to be special. If you were to tell me right now, out of this entire draft... Who I think is going to be the guy who's going to be on the Giants for a long time and be very good, guaranteed, it's this guy. It's not even Malik Neighbors. It's Tyler Newman. Because Malik Neighbors, like I said, I got that one concern about him because that DV quad receiver thing at that point there. You know, who knows if he's going to step on Diggs' way out eventually. Whereas Tyler Newben just strikes me as that guy is going to be here, going to be here for a while, he's going to make an impact, and you're going to be rude to this kid hard. So I'm excited to see what he can do. I agree. He's going to be a stud. Yeah, so let us know in the chat. What do you think? Tyler Nubin, great pick, not so great a pick. Do you still miss – is McKinney still being missed here? Did you want to put her back there? That's going to be the question for every round. Did you want to put her back there? So, but yeah, like I said, I'm ecstatic about him. Guys, you guys got to be excited about this guy. You got to be. If you're not, watch the film. I'm telling you, watch the film. This is going to be a good one. Yeah. As Bill pops in with, Nubin is a good pick. And Deb says, love the Nubin pick. I'm telling you guys, this is going to be a fun one to watch. He's going to help the defense. I really do think so. Big time. All right. Let's get into the third round pick. Round three. Yay. Pick six. Which is ironic because he's a corner. Yeah. He got his first pick six. He didn't get one in college. 70 overall. And for those of you wondering, because I'll be the first one to tell you this. I do a lot of stuff as far as film watching and stuff like that on Mewks. I don't want to hear the commenters. The commentators, I should say. You look at his name and you're like, how do you pronounce it? It's just Andrew, like mine. A-N-D-R-U, though, instead of A-N-D-R-E-W. So Andrew, you see people call him Drew Phillips Corner out of Kentucky. I know you're liking that music. It's good music. I like it. Maybe. Whatever. Yes, it's nice. I can give you the whole three minute thing if you want to. So, guys, this is where if you watch the show on a regular basis, again, we try not to be the crazy, crazy negative people at that point. But we also try not to be the butt kissers who sit there and know what Joe Sheen had for breakfast or Brian Diebel had for breakfast. We try to keep it realistic with you guys with what our true opinions are. But our noses were in the air on this pick. Oh, my God. What? Our noses were in the air. Our noses were in the air. We were not kissing any butts. We were not up any butts. We were investigating because, my God, Andrew, he came out of left field. You know what? He came out of left field, but I feel like we had a much lower grade on him than most people did. A lot of people had like a second, third round pick grade on him. So it was left field for us, not necessarily left field for most people. I should clarify that. Yes. Now, we didn't do a draft profile on Andrew Phillips when we were doing all of our profiles. And again, if you want to see the profiles, they're like 150, 160, 170. I forgot, lost track what number we did. But they're all individually out there on YouTube. And the main reason why, when we were doing research on these corners, guys, I gotta say, he was on the list and got booted from it because I didn't like the tape. Point, point. Didn't like it. And... There's issues here, guys. But he's also very raw. So let's go into the whole thing here. So again, out of Kentucky, 6'7", 187 pounds, 22 years old. 2022, 13 games, 31 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, 5 passes deflected. 23, 12 games, 47 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, 5 passes deflected, and a 71.7 PFF grade. Here's one thing I look at. With this stuff. I look at targets. I look at catches. I look at that kind of stuff there. In 22. Let's go over that first here. 22. He was targeted 32 times. Not a lot. Only had 220 coverage snaps though. He wasn't a full-time player. So 32 times he was targeted there. 15 catches. 120 yards given up. QBs, when they threw against them, had a passer rating of 56.8. That's damn good. That's hella great. This past year, he finally gets a chance to start. Now, keep in mind, he's 22 years old, guys. This is not a 20-year-old player like neighbors. This is a guy who did his full four years in college. Gets to start the fourth year, finally, after being a backup, basically, for three years. I think it's a key component still. I'm not saying he never saw the field. But he wasn't the full-time guy. He wasn't your star. They kind of put him in that role this year. So this year he jumps up to 422 coverage snaps, almost twice as many as the prior year. 57 times he was targeted, 38 catches, 434 yards, three touchdowns. Gave up a passer rating to QBs of 106.9. That's bad, guys. That's really not good at all. Now, as far as the pros and cons against them, very good against the run, which, by the way, when I put that as the first note for pros, that's not good, guys. Very good against the run. It's a corner. That's not usually the first good thing you want to hear. He is very good also in zone coverage. He stops the runner from going over 10 yards per carry. Zone coverage is definitely his thing. He's also not bad in off-man coverage. And he also plays bigger than he actually is. There's tape of him at the Senior Bowl going against bigger receivers. People love it because they see him going up, not backing down, even though he's obviously giving up some pounds and some inches. That doesn't sound good. But... Here's the problems with him. One, he doesn't have recovery speed. If he makes a mistake, he's done. Chances are whoever he's covering is probably going to be faster than him. He doesn't have that elite athleticism like that. He's got wasted steps. Now, when you're in your back pedal, when you're making motions and you're taking extra steps to do it, that slows you down. When you're not the fastest guy to begin with, That's the lesson. Yes. So one thing I really like about this is, I have a lot of faith in Jerome Henderson. I'm a huge fan of Jerome Henderson, guys. I have said that from the get-go. I said they could have hired him to be the DC. I would have been happy. I would have had no issue with that whatsoever. We talked about we hired Deontay Banks last year. We weren't a fan of him. Not that we weren't a fan of the player overall. We weren't a fan of where he was drafted. We thought it was a little early because of the fact that we thought he was the guy who had all the athleticism without the production. That's something that the Giants do like, though. I'm going to say that right now. It'll be a theme when we talk about a couple of players coming up. Athleticism, potential, not production. It's almost like they go, well, this team didn't use him right. This team didn't know how to coach him up. And they have the confidence to think they can do it. Which, by the way, no offense to Dable, but he does strike me as the guy who's got an ego like that. And I'm cool with it. Listen, have the ego. I could see him with a big old cigar to smoke and go, yeah, I could fix that. 100%. You know exactly damn well that's what he does. He just strikes me as the guy who smokes cigars. He definitely does. He's that stokey guy. They only use him as a the corner over here he curls back now he got put on the side he'd be good right that says let's pick him up all right we got our friend better let's go And it's not that I dislike Phillips as a player for us, because I like the fact that we have that confidence. I like the fact that we had a track record now because we did that with Banks. Banks grew. Banks, I thought, got better as the year went on. He went through a little stretch through CB1. He kind of took a little lumps then. But for the most part, he did pretty good. he's got to be cb1 this year but now we get phillips who's another project basically and you're gonna have to coach him up you're gonna have to get him ready at that point there he's extremely raw because he basically started one year and then the other issue is we talked about it kind of jokingly in the beginning no no interceptions guys We already had a Dory Jackson for how many years? He was not the guy to get interceptions. He was a coverage guy. I've said forever, and I'll stick by it, my biggest thing is stop the receiver from catching the ball. That's your job. Yeah. But it's a nice bonus when you can catch it. It's a nice bonus. I like bonuses. I'm greedy. I want a bonus. Oh, how about turnover? Yeah, it's a huge difference. Ask the Cowboys what that difference is right now. Yeah, but also Diggs also likes to give up big guard plays. I understand that. I'm just saying. But I'm not even saying him because he got injured, but Bland is the guy I'm talking about there. It's like, you know, he had what? How many pick sixes this year? So at five, I had to look it up real quick. I couldn't remember off the top of my head. Five. But yeah, he's raw. That's my only issue. Is you got a guy that was raw at a position of need and a prime position in this draft. When I do think there was better options out there. Yeah. So again, we said that about banks. We have no issues with banks right now. They did good in coaching him up. He looks very good this year. So just because we have that opinion doesn't mean we're right. Yeah, I mean, I can see it. I see Andrew as the lower tier Banks, which is okay. Which just sounds funny because he's, you know, Banks. Yeah. But, I mean, you're our guest number one. You're our guest number one. So you don't need to have... You're searching for two. Yes. But what I don't like is you already have a number one that's going to be very honest here. He's going to need some work this year because he still has to step up to number one. He had little issues with that last year towards the end of the year. And we have some really, really good receivers in this division. A.J. Brown, C.D. Lamb, Scary Terry. I mean, there's not a team in this division that doesn't have good receivers. you know plus we're playing the nfc south this year I believe right do we not yes so you know they have some good receivers we're going to play some damn good receivers this year I'm telling you that right now um he's going to need if he's going to be number two he's going to have to step it up a little bit phillips is because it's going to be work to get banks to number one and that's my issues you're taking on two products at once So I hope Jerome Henderson is up for it. They gave him the extra money, the extra title. He's got to be up for it. Like I said, if they can do a zone coverage scheme with him, which I think they will because I think Banks was better in his zone myself as well with that. That's when he started getting a couple of interceptions in all last year. I think you'll see a lot of more zone coverage this year than last year because the guy who stopped us from doing that on a regular basis is gone. You're gone, Link. Correct. So I think it's going to play into what he does. Especially when we drafted Banks last year, too. We talked about how much better he's in zone than man-to-man, and we talked about his athleticism. But you got that again, and now you got rid of the defensive coordinator that's going to say, hey, you got to cover this guy instead of being like, hey, be in this area and just stop the ball. Yeah. I mean, like I said, he has the ability. And he's good at reading plays. He's good at moving around near the receivers at that point without getting flags. He's good. It's not that I think he's poop. I just think we bought gold at silver pricing. Reverse that. Sorry. We bought silver at gold pricing. We just drafted him too early, in my opinion. Again, in mind, there's plenty of people that like him. I just think that I watch the film and I see mistakes and I go, oh, got to fix that, got to fix that. It's like, you know when you go house shopping and it's like, you get this really nice house. It's like, oh, this is a bigger house than I expected to get. But then you go inside and there's all these issues with it. yeah but then you go to like a smaller house that's perfect you're like oh my god this is this is amazing let's walk right in I just just go into this with no problem but yeah that's the kind of dilemma I feel like so we bought we bought basically two two larger houses that need a lot of work It's going to be an issue. It's going to be an issue. Jerome Henderson can only be at one place at a time. So I just hope the two of them together put in the work because they got the physical tools to actually succeed in this league. And we end up with a really nice young combo that basically for the next four years is going to be cheap. Super cheap. Yeah. Super cheap. Super cheap. Super cheap. It's super cheapy. Wow. All right. Let's get into our fourth round pick. One of the guys that we talked about here on our draft previews there. But before we do that, guys, told you we're going to pay the bills. Enjoying the show? Looking for more goofball action? Consider a membership at buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Memberships start at just $5 and give you additional goofball access. One-time support payments also available starting at just $3. Buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Alright, real quick before we get into that as well, we're going to go ahead and go over some of the comments here real quick. So John started off saying, oh good, you guys are going to be on. Didn't see you guys live feeding when I typed you guys in. It didn't show this for coming on tonight. Yeah, we didn't put this up until later on. We weren't sure 100% of the time. We thought it was going to be 7 o'clock. Actually, we were late as it was because it just took time to get things set up here. You know, not just his headphones, but also other issues as well. That's a lot of work in the background. You'd be surprised, actually, some of the stuff we have to do. Even just making those videos, the intros for the players, takes a little time to do and stuff. So... And then Bill says, tech, not teching story. My life will work in it. Where were you, Bill? Where were you when we needed us in our time of need? Billy. Oh my God. Johnson, did you see they added another quarterback on Patriots? Maybe Drake's available for a package. Also, Red Milton might be switching to right to tight end or receiver. Maybe that's why they got him. Listen, Drake may not go anywhere, guys. I keep hearing about these quarterbacks supposedly going to be draft bait. I mean, or trade bait, sorry. So why would you draft somebody at three or eight? Because I hear that with the Falcons a lot. And then trade him. Now, Drake May, yeah, you're going to get some offers for, but don't you think your better offer is right before you picked him? Now people are wondering what's wrong with him. Why would you want to get rid of him? Yeah. You know, I mean, Michael Penix is a crazy one, too. Let's say two, three years down the road, Kirk Cousins is still healthy. You're still playing him. You want to go ahead and move Michael Penix Jr. Are you going to get anything better than an eighth overall pick for him? No way in effing hell. It's stupid. The whole thing's stupid. Then John asks, what do you think about a player? We're going to talk about that in a little bit. Deb says she's excited about neighbors. I guess that's exciting. We should be our neighbor. um john says hey bill go fix roberto's equipment he's been has disconnecting and freezing lol it's true roberto you know it hello that's what took so long to get new equipment listen I have issues in all fairness too with the connectivity sometimes too it just the tampa bay area has really crappy internet we don't have any fiber optic here like literally I live in like one of the most populated areas actually it is the most populated area technically pinellas county that I live in is the most populous densely populated county in all of florida and yet I have no fiber optic well yeah it's it's kind of an asterisk in my mind because keep in mind half of miami-dade is everglades touche So, therefore, no one lives there except Crack-It-All Dundee. Crikey. Crikey. Bill says, LOL, I do server-side stuff. Haven't worked on desktops in about 20 years. I don't even have my own webcam set up yet. I just got one. Yeah, network stuff I know nothing of. I'm on a desktop. He's on a laptop. Yeah. I haven't used a desktop in a while until I started doing this myself, but it comes in handy for this. John says, I still say Shane should start a podcast or something to get fans' views on what we think they lack and what we should get or who to get. Listen, if he had to do that... he's he's lost yeah he's lost and he's to go um john says tumor always my favorite receiver the original toe drag swag he was I guess he was good underrated receiver uh I don't hear a lot of giants fans even do that Bill says, all the JJ stuff was smoke, it turns out. Yep. Blow and smoke up your bum. That's what they were doing. John says, get to a bill. If you want to make money on the side fix people's cable streaming and podcast issues, Roberto and Drew will give you beer, wings, etc. if you do a good job. Yeah, that's exactly what we pay. And then Bill says, you're in a great situation with the Vikings. 100%. That's stuff on J.J. McCarthy. If he can't succeed there, he won't succeed anywhere. It's up to you, J.J. McCarthy. B, what's up? It says, I told you months ago they're not drafting a quarterback. I don't care what the idiots in the media say in the media. Yeah, I thought they, and I still think they would have if they got the right guy available that they wanted. Like if Drake may have fallen to six, they'd be like, I'm telling you, it would have happened. But, you know, the Patriots just wanted him. That's what it boils down to. John says, I think they want Shador Sanders so Deion can hang with Eli Manning because he says, I be Eli... Eve and Eli. Honestly, I don't think they care about whose daddy a quarterback is. They just want him to win. They just want him to win. John says, really thought they might get Rattler minimum. That guy just must feel sad to wait that long to get picked. Yeah, again, he really had issues when I'm hearing in the pre-draft process interviews and all. Keep in mind, this guy was like, top overall process coming out of high school. Couldn't hack in Oklahoma. Had to go to South Carolina. Let's be honest, didn't like the world on fire in Oklahoma either. There's a reason he was the seventh best quarterback available. Again, he was very close to number six. Part of why I hate the Bo Nix deal for the Broncos. They got a guy in this 12th overall pick that wasn't that much, isn't that much better than the guy that was drafted in what, the fourth round? Pretty much. That's where you got it, man. Let's see. We got moved here. It got moved. Deb says, I think a receiver like neighbors can help Jones in that he will be able to get rid of the ball sooner and hopefully the O-line is better. Can get a QB next year if Jones can hold the four. Yeah, I mean, listen, whoever the quarterback is, whether it's somebody on the roster yet or somebody on the roster yet, There's no way having a player like neighbors doesn't help you. Doesn't help you, point blank. Like I said, definitely help them no matter what people think. John says every year Super Bowl is possible. They didn't think they would in 08 or 12 either. They didn't, but they had a quarterback that was establishing himself, I should say, in 08. And they had an established quarterback in 12. We don't got one now, guys. It's a big thing. Have and have nots. We're the nots. John said that... He's going into more prospects we haven't talked about yet. We'll talk about him in a minute, John. Deb says, statistically, three of these six quarterbacks will not be franchise QBs. I'll tell you right now that statistically speaking... You got five of them that actually matter in that conversation because one is going to be apparently riding the bench barring any injuries. I would say point blank that probably two of those guys will be good. That's it. next year or this overall overall I think I think jaden daniels you know I liked him um and I think caleb williams is going to potentially fall flat his face and I think that drake may is the project projects are 50 50 so either drake may or caleb williams will pan out as well as your camera falls again he got very sad about that he's a big drink drake may fan of the camera is this guy um there he is tired um but yeah I mean Probably two because I don't think J.J. McCarthy is good. I still stick by that, and I still think that we've got a – Bo Nix is just – he's not good, guys. See, Bill's also giving us a heads up on who we got coming out as far as undrafted free agents. Appreciate that, Joe. But yeah, like I said, we'll go over that probably on Monday. I think that'll be probably the episode for Monday to go over that stuff. But Alex Johnson, DB out of UCLA, saying, Deb's saying talk about neighbors. He dodged the question, but maybe it's that he's young, not necessarily a diva. it's just a couple of things that I just I'm concerned with and again I read too much into body language and stuff like that I admit it freely but if you notice when like he first got off the van that picked him up from the airport and all the giant scent dave was there shane was there they were smiling they were they were happy neighbors didn't smile once guys not once So, maybe that's his personality though. And that's where you get into the problem of we don't know their personalities. So, hopefully I'm just reading it wrong and he's got a weird personality at that point where he's happy but doesn't smile. This is why if you're happy and you know it, you clap your hands. People know that then. There's no miscommunication whatsoever. As long as they don't have the clapper hooked up in their house, the shit doesn't seep on and off. That's how I'm happy when my lights turn off. Shane is not done today, apparently. You know, we knew that. John says, keep working, Joe Shane. Bill says, so emotional. Let's talk about Tyler Newben there. Bill says, another one. Guard, Jack. I'm guessing it's Kubas or Kabasi. It's Kabasi, A. K-U-B-A-S out of North Dakota State. Yeah. Yeah. John says, don't let your Asante. He was a cowboy. Oh, well, we're not cowpeaks. At least not much stats either. You never know. Bill says offensive tackle Marcellus Johnson from the Tigers to which Tigers. There's a lot of Tigers. A lot of teams need Tigers. And we're talking about who's good pick for Nubin. And Deb says loves the Nubin pick. Bill says, even more wide receiver John Giles out of West Florida. West Florida, to keep in mind, is where Austin Reed, the Western Kentucky quarterback, was from originally, too. So, like I said, we're going to look up all these guys, but I'm kind of curious about that. Debs says, I felt better about Phillips after reading more about him today. I think PFF ranked him at 72.9. Just a shade under that, but still, not the best. But again, you're not going to get the best if it's round three. If you get the best, they beat round one. John says, Drew, when you said side to side, laughed thinking of Mr. Miyagi. Miyagi fishing tells Daniel's son, make block left, right, up, down, side, side, breathe in, breathe out, and no scare fish, LOL. I don't remember him saying that, but okay. Hello, Nubin. Nubin. Hate to say it. Philly picked up good guys. And the Jets, too. Jordan Travis will be steel. Can sit while healing from injury. Watch Aaron Rodgers. Surprised we didn't take him. Yeah. If we were going to take a quarterback today. He would have been my top pick. But him or Michael Pratt. I didn't see where Pratt went. I had to work today, so I didn't get to see every single pick. Yeah. John says, I think we'll have issues with Jayden Daniels. Yeah, we very well could be. He's as good as I think he is. There's going to be some issues, that's for sure. John says, but you might get extra picks next year for PennX or May. But what does that matter? Let's say, hypothetically, you trade Michael Penix, who you just drafted. Let's say you get, what, a first round next year? Which would be a lot to offer for a guy you just drafted, I think. I'd give you a first round. What's the chances that first round's top eight pick? That's the problem. Yeah. Drake May, top three pick. What am I going to offer you for that? Let's see if I can give you two first-round picks. Neither one of those two picks will probably be a top three. That's what I'm saying. It's the craziness when I hear this kind of stuff. Bill says, John says, Bill, help Roberto. He's frozen again. Oh, wait. He's just thinking hard, LOL. John says, it's Believe, Drew, LOL. And I thought you were smart figuring things out, R-O-F-O-L. What? Believe. Believe. wrong wrong wrong laughing laughing laughing oh oh oh I was thinking about the no I know I was thinking about the no I know I was thinking about the no I know that I know that I'm saying the belief that I know that I'm saying the belief that I know that I'm saying the belief part I think I think I didn't understand part I think I think I didn't understand part I think I think I didn't understand one of his things he misspelled I think one of his things he misspelled I think one of his things he misspelled I think that's what he was saying that's what he was saying Bill says, Oregon defensive lineman Casey Rogers signed. He says, just a heads up for tomorrow. They just keep coming in. No, go for it, man. Go for it. We're on here, so we don't have a chance to kind of watch this stuff right now. Like I said, we'll have that ready for you guys on Monday. John says, I think four of six would be good. Caleb has a great situation compared to what Fields had. I wanted Penix Jr. and Adunze together again. Oh, well. I don't know. Yeah, it would have been nice, but here we go. The Bears still have a crappy head coach. The only thing positive about them you can say necessarily is they got a couple more receivers to go with a good one they had. E.J. Moore is a really good receiver. What they did was they got an older receiver that's always injured and has one year left, and now they got a rookie. Just plain devil's advocate. They could be that great, and they have three guys who were all great on receivers, and he's set up all around. I'm just saying. I can't sit there and say the team is that much better than last year. No. I mean, D.C. Moore, definitely an upgrade. And then you still got Mooney. And then they picked up what? What's his face from L.A.? Actlers? Huh? Who did they pick up from L.A. ? But he's older, and he gets injured all the time. I'm not sure if you're talking about him or DJ Moore. No, no. DJ Moore's usually healthy, and DJ Moore's still young enough. But Keenan Allen's always hurt. It's true. John says, now I hope Luke McCaffrey isn't a great playmaker since we didn't take him. Surprised Christian didn't convince 49ers to take him. Redskins picked him up. 48ers. He likes to hit the buttons wrong. It's okay. We got you, John. The big thing for me is he's just not that good, guys. There was another McCaffrey brother who was in and out of the league in a couple years for the Packers, too, keep in mind. John says... Yeah, Owen Wilson has an older brother that everyone forgets about. But Owen Wilson, he's a great actor. but yeah John says picks don't matter it's what you do with it so if picks don't matter why are you trading a guy you just picked up for picks I'm confused by the logic, John. Help me. Unless you think you can trade Drake May for a players, like a couple players. I just don't know. That doesn't really happen in the NFL. Everybody gets drafted for picks because of the way the salary cap works just messes things up. John says, I didn't misspell any quotes, but Eli's name in the middle of the spell, believe. Wow, you two are as smart as I thought. I still love you. Thank God. We got that public edumacation. Yay. Jersey edumacation. All right. Let's get into our fourth player here. Pick four. Sorry. Round four. Pick seven. Pick number 107 overall. And it's one of the guys we talked about. Theo Johnson. Tight end out of Penn State. There he is there. Again, to repeat what we talked about there, we're not going to go too much into everything we talked about there the first time. If you want to hear more of our thoughts on Theo Johnson, we did a whole draft breakdown there. Again, former wide receiver playing at Penn State, 6'6", 259, 23 years old. Last year, 13 games, 34 catches, 341 yards, 7 touchdowns, and a 62.5 PFF grade. That's definitely not good. Pros... High ceiling, great hands, good size. Cons, low floor, needs to expand his route tree, blocking, and no yak. This is the guy that when you talk about combined winners, guys need to go all the measurables that are pretty much, except for his arms. He's got average arm length. Not even bad, but average. everything else though it's like top like five percent in the titan category all time like that kind of thing like he's absolutely crushed the combine and Again, we talked about the pass rushers too as well. Penn State has this habit of getting people with amazing athletic skills and not being able to utilize it. I don't know what it is. I don't pretend to be the Penn State fan. I should have called my friend Jeff up. He's a big Penn State guy. I don't know what Franklin's doing there. That's an issue they have overall. This is that guy, though, that has all the potential. If you believe it's coaching or scheme that's an issue, that's where it boils down to. Now, we did not do a deep enough dive from all the... We didn't watch every single minute of every single game with him at that point because we didn't know if we were going to get him or not, obviously. So we may come back to him a little bit there with some options and some ideas after a deep, deep, deep dive. Super deep. But yeah, so we got a guy now who literally, if you look at his measurables, this is the scary part. His measurables, you know who they match up well to? And kudos to Big Blue Banter, those guys, because we talked about them the other day. But they talked about their, well, I was listening to them while I was getting all the notes written over everything right here. His measurables at the combine, both for his body and for speed, strength, and that kind of stuff there, are basically Jimmy Graham. That's the athleticism this guy has. But yet, for whatever reason, again, the production wasn't there. And I get it, guys. I get it that tight end is that position that for whatever reason, the production is usually just not there. That's the truth of the matter. It's not. This is not a science yet to drafting tight ends. So I got to be clear and say I don't hate the pick. I do not hate the pick whatsoever. I had one guy that I would have preferred we got, and that's Kate Stover at Ohio State instead, who went not too long afterwards. That's the one guy I would have, assuming everything's good as medical, because he did hurt his back at the combine. So I don't know how bad that is. But we talked about going into it. This is not a deep... tight end draft that's got some great players really you know jadavian sanders was our number two he didn't go to the first pick in the fourth round here he just your camera keeps being just disappointed and it's funny it's always I say like I can't believe this happened your camera's like yeah just falls down um but you know he's a guy who had 682 yards kate stover went a little bit after him had 576 yards uh you know benson who went early we didn't get so he was out of the equation at that point there I'm just saying when I see guys you know like dylan hawker getting 700 yards He compared better offensively to guys like A.J. Barner, who's basically a pure blocker, just based on his receiving stats. And he's not a very good blocker. That's the problem. They're not. So when you have a guy who doesn't block well, not that he's the worst blocker, he's just not a strong suit. And then you don't see a ton of production receiving-wise. It's a little scary. Oh, he's got the measurables. He's got the speed. He's got this. If you notice in our notes, what did we say? High ceiling, low floor. I'm standing by that. This guy's going to be the great. And it's funny because if you listen to the Talking Giants, though, again, we're talking about other podcasts. I always like to give a shout out to the content creators that are good. Talking Giants does need our help, though. They're way above us. But if you listen to Bobby Skinner talk about it, he said, because we talk about how some of these guys come out of nowhere in college and all of a sudden become great tight ends. He said if he had to pick one tight end to do that this year, it'd be this guy. It'd be Theo Johnson because of the measurables, because of the things he did to the combine, because of the things he taped and burst. You just don't see it a lot. And that's the issue. So one of two things is going to happen with Theo Johnson. He's going to develop into a starter and be a hell of a tight end, which he has that potential. Or be a big old bust. He's going to be a bust and he's going to be out of the league in a couple years. Yeah. No way between whatsoever. He could be the next Jimmy Graham guy that could play for years. Yeah, and be a receiving tight end, but he'll be a better blocker than Jimmy Graham, that's for sure. I'm just saying for comparison, I mentioned before a bad blocker, and he's not a good blocker, but he's not horrendous. It's not the worst blocking I've ever seen. It's just if you're depending on him to help keep a running back open on an HB toss, you're probably going to be slightly disappointed or want to give him a little help. Keep that fullback, Andy. Depends on what Evan Hill's doing that day. Evan who? exactly the bigger flipper but yeah so we got to ask the two questions here and talk about this for a second here and in the meantime guys I want to hear what you guys think on on theo johnson as well you know those of you guys who may be familiar with his work what do you think do you think he's a good pickup do you think you like him um or you think we're crazy are we being too negative about him um try to keep it kind of mid though it's what it is it's mid could be great could be bad but it begs it begs two questions here one we drafted a tight end does that mean no waller or is this you know them just preparing just in case I mean this is what they've done years on years on I think Waller's done. I heard Waller was talking night two of the draft. He was a mental health ambassador at one of the local hospitals in Jersey. And he had still said he doesn't see this inside it. And it's not his body. He said it's his mind. So if your mind's not in it, just go. Walk away, dude. Yeah. If that's the case, he's not in it. And I'm so much okay with it because of the fact that not just because we got Theo Johnson, but it's just like you're not part of the future, man. If you're only thinking about retiring, you're not going to play for a couple more years and be part of the future of this team. 100%. If you're looking at maybe one more year and then retiring, because you're thinking about retiring, just do it now. Get over with. Rip the band-aid off. Yeah, exactly. And by having him... on the field so often. It may help us now if we get Waller back. It would help us for 2024 here. Let's be honest. But the long-term health of this roster... Especially now we're going to year three of Daniel Bellinger, guys. Year three. I had only two fingers up in one hand for some reason. Year three. But it's like we have a guy that we're going to third year of that we're still developing. A guy who took a step back last year, let's be very frank, took a step back last year when Waller was on there. Is Waller being on there going to hurt us from developing these guys? Because now you've got two young tight ends, one going into the third year, one going into the first year. And you've got to see what you've got in these guys. Because next year is our last cheap year of Daniel Bellinger, guys. Not that I think anybody's going to go pay him $20 million a year, don't get me wrong. But you're going to have to start paying him. And you have to know what he's doing. Waller up, eh? So, yeah, I'm at this point. I'm on Waller's go-bye-bye train. I'm on the hype train for that. And don't get me wrong. If he plays, I'll root for him. I'll be very happy when he makes his score or a big catch or something like that. But if your heart's on it, dude, walk away. Yeah, for his sake. I want to see Waller play for us because there's a lot of hype. There's a lot of potential for him being so, so good for us. But if your heart and your head's not there, just go. Get out of there. I'm not mad at that. If there's a lot of shit going on in your life and you're not going to play your best game and you know it, walk away. Exactly. Walk away. I'm okay with it. As long as you're honest about, hey, listen, I got a lot of shit going on in my life. Yeah. I can't devote my time to what the Giants need. I will retire early. Go for it. That's what it is. Go for it. I will stand up. I will proudly stand up. Like I'm at the American Legion. But Like I said, I think this is not a bad pick, guys. This is a pick that I'm like, meh, bad, though. Meh. Yeah. Like, could be good, could be bad. It's hard to have a good or bad opinion about a guy that's up in the air and could be either way. It really is. So I would rather call it like it is at that point and say that than try to take one side of the coin so I can say I was right later on. I have no clue what he's going to be. He could be the second best or best tight end of this draft for all I know. He could also be a guy out of the league in a couple years. Yeah. All right, let's get on to a guy that is potentially the most intriguing draft pick we had of the entire draft. A guy that we also looked at when we did our top running back episode, but didn't make the cut because of lack of experience, to be very frank. but the Giants once again went for athleticism over actual production. In France. Tyrone Tracy Jr. running back out of Purdue. J-Train. Alright, so this is another guy that we did not do a draft profile on. So like I said, let's go over everything with him as far as the measurables and all that kind of fun stuff here. Went to Purdue the last couple of years. Prior to that, did four years over at Iowa. 6'1", 210 pounds, 24 years old. Was a wide receiver for most of his career. So I actually read a story. Interesting. I thought that when he was in high school, his coach there wanted to convert him over to a running back. He said no. Goes to Iowa, you know, for a few years there. Goes over to Purdue now. Well, guess who's a coach at Purdue now? That same high school coach. Interesting. Yeah. And he finally convinced him to move to running back. Never forced it, just convinced him finally to do it. So in Iowa, he was kind of a backup receiver, had to get 1-200 yards a season, basically, except for one season he had about 500 yards. So never really could do anything, so he moves off to Purdue, trying to make a name for himself. In 22, his first year at Purdue, 14 games, 17 rushes, 138 yards, 8.1 yard per carry average, 28 receptions, 198 yards. So they didn't really know what to do with him yet. Correct. He was mostly a backup wide receiver. He took a couple snaps, won a game or so in the running back position. Kind of like a Wandale Robinson kind of guy. Hmm. So this year, they finally convinced him to go over to running back. And he fits the mold as far as size-wise, guys. He's not overly tall. He's not overly big. He's 6'1", 210 pounds. He's a perfect fit for this. This year, 11 games, 113 rushes, 716 yards. That's a 6.3-yard per carry average. Eight touchdowns, 19 interceptions. He played defense too, 19. So 19 receptions, 132 yards, and an 87.5 PFF grade. Now, keep in mind, we did our top guys. We did not go down to the fifth grade kind of guys at that point. We went to more like fourth ground grades. If we had, we would have been talking about this guy. And I would have said point blank, if you get him on a late day three pick, it's a damn good pick. Because here's the thing with him. Much like Theo Johnson. Much like Andrew Phillips. Amazing athleticism out of this kid. Point blank. Amazing athleticism. But then you also get the mix of that he's a running back with fresh legs. He's 24 years old, guys, but he hasn't taken the hits like the 24-year-old guys coming out of college. Go look at Ray Davis from Kentucky and see if you think there's a difference in how many rushes they've taken. Ray Davis looks like he's been playing for 23 years. It's like I said, there's, there's a lot, there's a lot. So, yeah, I mean, you go to a very crowded room now, you know, where you got obviously, you know, Devin Singletary starting, you got now a whole bunch of backups. Now you just don't know who. You know? There's so many. There's so many that you could do at that point. So... You got Eric Gray. We've already talked about we think Eric Gray. So many times in the show it's not even funny. We think he's poop. Poop. Poopy, poop, poop, poop. So... I think we're going to move on from him soon, honestly. I wouldn't even be 100% shocked if he doesn't make the roster. We go ahead and we have Gary Brightwell on his last year there. Again, I think I'm a little higher on Gary Braywell than a lot of people are. I don't think he'll be a starter by any means, but I think he could provide a minor role in the stable of running backs. Now you have two rookies that you add to the mix. We got Turbo, Dante Miller, we talked about there last month, who's a rookie, but... Kind of a confusing story again. If you haven't watched that episode we did there, watch it. Interesting story. You'll be rude to this kid. And then you got Tyrone Tracy Jr. You got unconventional running backs here to go into this. And... Like I said, it's going to be interesting room. So let's go over the pros and cons real quick on Tracy. So pros, good burst, shows balance, keeps his legs going, quick to change direction. Another thing I saw in the comments section here, I didn't point it out because we already had it here listed about to go. He returned kicks last year at Purdue. So let's say hypothetically, Gary Braywell doesn't make the cut. Guess what? Here's your kick returner now. Yeah. We don't really have a second guy out there that you can sit there and say is a good kick returner. And he's definitely more shifting at a guy that I'd rather see run the ball back at that point there than Gary Brightwell, who's more of a, you know, right up the seam kind of guy. He's got good hands. He's also improved throughout the year in pass protection. He's not afraid to go ahead and actually protect the quarterback. He isn't afraid to take that kind of hit there. And he's improved on it over the year there, which is a key thing because he's never done it before. It's all new territory, which brings me to the cons. Raw as a running back. Extremely raw. We don't know where the ceiling is for this guy because he didn't play much. You're talking about a guy who's averaged over six yards to carry. Doing something, obviously. But he's barely done it. You're right. Barely done it. He lacks vision. That's, again, from the lack of production of doing it. That's something you learn over time. It's kind of like, you know when you play a video game and you can walk through it almost with your eyes closed? Yeah. Because you've done it so many times. That's what some of this stuff turns into for you. That kind of muscle memory of how to do things, how to look for things, how to wait for things. Yeah. So when I mean lack vision, he doesn't see things starting to open up because the NFL, you don't hit the hole when the hole is there. You wait until the hole is about to open up, then you hit the hole and you anticipate the hole opening up as you're running through it. That's how that actually works. I've always hated that hit the hole mentality because, no, you don't wait for the hole. You go in hoping the hole is going to be there once you start seeing things spread open. No, you go there knowing the hole's going to open up, not hoping that it's going to be there. Well, you have to hope. Sometimes it doesn't. Let's be honest. You're right. Sometimes it doesn't, but that's when you shift to the side. Correct. The good running back knows how the block is moving. He knows what the team hopes is going to be there. You know it's supposed to be there. And if it doesn't show up, that's when you shift. But my point, what I'm saying is you can't wait for it to open up. It's too late then. Too quick to try to burst outside, which is interesting. We got rid of Saquon. We picked up Saquon. Yeah. He's been known like literally as one guy in the open at that point. He doesn't try to move and shake or spin to get around him at that point. He goes to go outside. And not only does he go to go outside, he runs to go outside like a wide receiver turning a punt. You ever see that when you see that receiver that keeps backing up to go back around? That's how he tries to bounce it outside. You can't do that. If you get hit, you're going to be a negative 10-yard rush guy. So he's going to have to learn some of that. This guy also lacks top start speed. So you know when you stop, you go to shift, or you stop for a brief second to go ahead and allow the hold to go ahead and start appearing? He doesn't have that kind of ability. Again, he's never had to do that often as a receiver, though. And that's part of what this problem keeps coming to be. He also is very fast in the short term but lacks long range speed. So that's one thing you have to kind of keep an eye on. If you're going to want a guy who's going to be very quick for five yards, this is your guy. If you want a guy who's very quick for 30 yards, this is not your guy. So, again, you've got to take it with a bat. He's in the fifth round pick spot for a reason. But I like the pick because this is, again, a guy that very well could be very good. You know, this is a guy who we don't know the potential of at that point yet fully because we haven't seen much in college. I like a late round pick like that. Where I get concerned is when I have a third round pick like that. Yes. That's the concern. In the fifth round, I'm okay with those kind of picks. I like those kind of picks. I just hope he's better than Eric Gray. Yes. And by the time we picked all the good running backs at that point, pretty much we're gone, guys. It was like there's that many in this draft. So you take a shot and hope it's a home run. I got no problem with that whatsoever. All right. We got one more player, guys. We got one more. One player to rule them all. We're going to have Rob say the name. So with the sixth pick, sixth round pick, seventh pick in the sixth round, pick 183 overall, Darius Moussaou. There he goes. And Rob went, apparently, as well. Another guy we didn't have. Again, we didn't go into the 6th, 7th round kind of guys there with our draft analysis here because, to be very frank, people aren't searching for those guys very often, except Adonis, apparently. Adonis is like the better goofball here today. 6'1", 230 pounds, 23 years old. comes out of UCLA, and he's a smart player. We talked about the guys that are not the most athletic, but they're really smart guys. This is who this is. Let's give you guys the stats real quick out of 22. 13 games, 91 tackles, 3 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 2 interceptions, 3 passes deflected, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovered. 23, 13 games again, 75 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, four sacks, one interception, six passes deflected, and an 81.7 PFF grade. What's interesting, if you look at his career path through UCLA, he started off as a pure Mike Linebacker kind of guy at that point that just sits there, attacks the running back, and does his thing. He had over 100 tackles multiple times. Again, keep in mind, 13-game schedules, 12-game schedules, depending on the year. It's not like they get 17 like the NFL does. There's a big difference in stats because of that. 75 tackles is the equivalent of 100 tackles in the NFL. 140 tackles is the equivalent of getting, you know, let me do the math here, 170 tackles. Only get 180 around there. So it's a big difference there. Over time, his tackle numbers went down, but his play got better, and he was utilized in different ways. So they popped by the line a little more this year and all. They used him as a blitzer occasionally at this point. He was kind of a jack-of-all-trades there. He's a guy that I think, honestly, I called it out when it happened. He was the new Cam Brown. He's going to be a special team, Cam Brown. Yes. He's going to be a special team kind of guy. But I do think, unlike Cam Brown, he's a guy who's going to provide something on defense. I just don't know how much. I'm not expecting much from a six-round pick. I'd love to be the guy that gets you guys all excited. Ooh, a six-round pick. This is a steal. We crushed this. We got this. Let's be honest here. Most of the six-round picks don't even make it through the rookie contract. That's the truth of the scenario. That's what they are. But sometimes you also hit on them at Tom Brady. It's true. So... And what you want is you want a guy who at least has a role. This guy will have a role. He'll be a special teamer. He'll be a guy who goes ahead and plays a little bit on defense and might in a pinch even, you know, go ahead and appear even more on defense. Here's the pros and cons from the pros. Smart. extremely smart, I should say. Processes, plays quickly. This guy, I'm telling you right now, I guarantee you this is a tape rat guy. This is a guy who sits there and watches film nonstop. Tape as if anybody actually watches tape nowadays. This guy watches things on Betamax. Most of the kids have no clue about Betamax. They watch it on Reel. Rio? Her name is Rio and she dances like the sand? Yes. You watch him play and you watch the way he moves prior to the snap. It's like he knows what play is coming. He literally has that ability. That's something you can't teach. He either does it or can't do it. I think... That's something that you need, especially in a special teamer, which is where I think he's going to be. You want to be able to figure out which way you think the returner is going to go, and that's where you want to be. You want to find the weakness blocking-wise and go for that spot. He's going to be a special team stud. I really think that. Plays quick. Good in zone coverage. High motor. And also can get in the backfield. Again, we said 10 tackles for loss this past season here. Four sacks. He spent a little time in that backfield there. Cons. Not the most athletic. Short arms. Probably because of the short arms. Trouble getting off blocks. Issues with big offensive linemen. Yeah, that's where he's at, guys. Like I said, six-round pick, this is what you kind of expect. You expect a guy who's going to be someone who has a skill, and you're just not sure if the skill translates to the NFL or not. His skills, his brain, point blank. This is not the Abbie Norville brain from Frankenstein. This is a legit brain. Figure things out at that point. Had to bring up Mel Brooks. I saw Mel Brooks the other day. This is a guy. I can't believe he's still alive. He's like 97 years old. Still goes out and does stuff all the time too. Good for him. It's amazing. But this is a guy that has that ability to go ahead and diagnose plays. Will that translate to the NFL is the question now. Will he become a guy who sees things that helps? And here's another benefit of having a guy like this. It will transfer, but how well can he keep up? Let's say hypothetically he can. Let's say that for a second. We're going worst case scenario. We're going negative Nancy here. Coach! I'm not even saying coach. As we go negative Nancy here. Here we go. Debbie Downer. Aww. Drew, I think it's a picture of you. Wow. You think I look like a woman? That's kind of scary. Or she looks like you. Take it however you want it. Oh, gosh. Maybe he should get a haircut. Anyway. Anyway. Let's say worst scenario is the sixth scenario. That doesn't translate to the NFL. And what I mean by that is not that he can't read things, but because the issues he has speed-wise, athleticism-wise, he just can't do anything with that knowledge, which is a distinct possibility, to be very frank. He can still teach the guys that are there how to do what he does. as best you can now some of it's natural born gifts but sometimes people just know how to read people and can teach that some people can learn that some people can't so if you got people that are yeah they have the ability to learn because like you said sometimes it's being able to see it Like I said, there's natural gift part, and some of it is earned. But here's what I mean. Let's say, hypothetically, we're in the preview of the week here. They're watching film on, let's say, the Eagles, hypothetically. He does the whole, like Leo from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. But let's say he goes, okay, Jalen Hurts lifted his leg. He lifted his left leg. A.G. Brown moved two inches back in at that point. They did this. We'll keep an eye on that. Every time I do it, this happens. He could end up being that guy that helps without even playing. Yeah. Once again, Leo from, what's the plan? Oh, oh, oh, oh. What about Leo from What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Match to the gas tank. Boom, boom. I'm probably the only one who remembers that movie. Anyway, like I said, not a bad pick. I like the fact that he's got something there. I just don't know how much to expect from him, and I can't get excited about a six-round pick. I really can't. That's what it boils down to. Let's get the rest of you guys' comments here real quick so we can call it a night here in a moment. Let's see here. Where did we go? Where did we go? Okay, here we go. Bill says, William Thompson, QB from Wabash Division III, has been invited to Giants minicamp. Yeah, they'll probably invite two quarterbacks. They usually do that to the minicamp there so they can have someone to throw the ball. That's usually what it boils down to. um john says you get more picture keep up another team might not have had better picks this year and might have them next year doofus I gotta find another podcast damn already signed up for silver membership john you just said picks don't matter that's what you said just saying I'm pointing out the irony that so long ago I know. I'll talk about it. Bill says, tight ends are great when they don't have to spend all their time blocking because your right tackle can't hang. Yeah, I'm really hoping. It's all because he's flipping burgers. I'm really hoping Jermaine Illuminor there. Unless by some miracle Evan Neal gets better. If he gets better, okay. But Jermaine Illuminor to me is the obvious guy who's got to go to right tackle. John says, well, I hope they can teach this tight end how to block better. I thought they'd get another tackle in case Neal sucks or gets traded. No. I'm telling you right now, Jermaine Illuminor is the guy. He is the guy that if Evan Neal can't do it, he's there. Deb says, for me, Jerry's out on Johnson. Hope he's good. Yeah, that's our standpoint as well. John says, hope not another Evan Neal. Hope not another Evan. Oh, sorry. Hope not another Everett Ingram. Was okay for us. Wish he could have got better. Now he plays great for Jacksonville. Shake my head. Listen, he played great for us. He just had bad time drops. He still has the drops in Jacksonville. I was about to say, he's a very similar player. He's just more of a veteran and understands the game a little bit more because he's not used to the system. And he also doesn't have to deal with, you know. Better quarterback. Better quarterback. Better, better, better quarterback. Listen, we hit. No more clapping. No more clapper. No more of the clapper. No, Jason, you're going to have to mess this up. I was just saying, you had Eli at first. Yeah. yeah so deb says I watched commentary on tracy which said he could be a good special teams guy good return guy yeah no 100 I i I think special teams will probably get him on this roster specifically and you know not that many rookies don't make the roster but if it gets time to where we go we want this guy with this guy let's say it's eric gray or tracy It's going to be Tyrone Tracy because he plays special teams. He doesn't drop the ball. He doesn't second returns. Not that it's Eric Gray's fault. That's Shane's fault for breaching for a punt returner. John says, wouldn't want to return. Wait on ball to get their catch and get smashed. No, thanks. Just start on the 15-yard line. Get rid of punts and kick returns. If you keep kicking, move past. No, I actually like special teams. I'm weird like that. I do. All right. It makes the difference in the game because, like, all right, I get it. Like, all right, you score a touchdown. We're going to kick it off from 25, and we're going to get your hands on, blah, blah. That's when the new rule now, I think it's actually going to be a big difference. But if you're the team that just received that ball, you only go up 20 yards. That's special teams. They're going to put that ball for you. It's going to be a game changer. It's the return for me. I miss the days of like, you know, Dante Hall, Joshua Cribs. I mean, you can go as new as like Hester, like Devin Hester. If I say Devin Hester, who is probably the best returner ever. Yeah. I mean, I miss those days. Those guys were fun to watch. even back in the day, Deion Sanders, he got the ball and it was hilarious seeing him get the ball. He'd always hold it like this. He would never hold on to it. It's like, how did he not fumble? He'd be like this, going like this. I know. It's amazing. I never really thought about that. He used to use the ball to juke people out like that. It was crazy. I never understood how he didn't fumble. I would have been like, He also had giant mitts. They must not be just giant, but extremely strong hands. That's his wife. I don't know her. Anyway, John says, Brendan Rice, a charger. Daddy and him both playing for California teams. Crazy. Well, it's not that crazy. It's the largest state in the country. I can't believe what Anderson did to get him. I think Marvin Harrison calls Jerry Rice and says, my son is better than yours. LOL. Yeah, probably. I think that's exactly how this works. I don't think that's exactly how this works. He probably just slips up a note at the next Pro Football Hall of Fame induction. It's not even like a note saying words. It's just a little finger. Of course, the note is shaped like a football. Just for fun. Here you go. Take that, Jerry. I win this time. You may have more yards, touchdowns, catches, Super Bowl championships, Pro Bowls, and everything else, but I have a son who's better than your son. My son? So you can do this better than your son. Yeah, exactly. All right. And I heard what happened to your daughter at prom when she went with what's-his-name from the Patriots. Zappy? No, no, wait. Why am I drawing a blank here? The receiver. I have to look it up now. I've got to look it up now. I'm drawing something. Julian Edmond. Julian Edmond. Yeah. He took Jerry Rice's daughter out to prom. I think it just happened to go to the same school. It's not like a weird receiver thing. Anyway, John says, oops, excuse me while I whip this out. And the crowd cringes. Yeah. I thought you were doing a Robocop thing right there. Excuse me while I zip this up. Deb says, just watched a phone call from Shane to Nubin. It's on Yahoo Sports. Gotta like this kid. Very humble. Very humble. Very good. I would appreciate you watching the video after we're done. No, seriously. It's a really, like I said, honestly, you watch that video, and I'm telling you right now, you're going to root for this kid. He's going to be the hardworking, clunch pale kind of guy. I really, I'm really, for some reason. I'm excited for this guy. I'm excited for this guy. You know, and maybe I'm different in the respect of that. I try to look at the personalities and stuff like that, and I judge based on that kind of stuff. I'm not worried about that kid putting in the work. I'm not. So, yeah, that's going to be interesting there. John says, still think Jerry Rice's son deserves better pickup in the draft. And we're going to ignore the rest of your comments. I was about to say, we can stop it after that. We can stop it after that. Oh, my God. As much as I want to read them all, I'm going to fly you, John. John's trying to get us booted off of YouTube here. John, great comment, by the way. Can't read it. Anyway. That concludes our 2024 NFL draft class. So the big question you always look at at the end of the draft is are we a better team now than we were before this? And if you ever leave a draft saying no, that's an issue. That's a big issue. That's a big issue. That's a big issue. Listen, you had like seven rounds to improve your team. But we had six picks. Four to eight, nine picks. If you didn't make one good decision to improve your team, Yeah, Don goofed. Not like the goofballs. Oh, yes. Way worse. So we talked about things that we needed in this draft. Needed a quarterback. Didn't get one. Needed a top receiver. Got one. Needed a tight end. We didn't have no clues going out Waller. Got it. Needed a quarterback. Got it. Needed a safety to replace McKinney. Got it. Got it, quarterback. And one I forgot. We need a running back depth. We basically filled every hole but quarterback and defensive line. Which? You can get a defensive lineman in free agency, guys. I know it's weird because we draft usually a defensive lineman every single year. We talk about that a lot too. But also at the same time, we talk about a need for a defensive line. I feel the need for a defensive lineman. I mean, look, this is what you got right now. You got Dexter Lawrence, obviously, the nose tackle position. You got Rakeem Nunes Rocha still under contract this year. So you got to assume as of right now, he's probably taking one of the defensive end picks at that point there for us. So you got DJ Davidson, Ryden Anderson, Jordan Phillips, Jordan Riley. You know, you got a lot of young players here. I'm feeling pretty confident about that. I'm not because none of those young players are top picks, guys. I got to be honest. I'm not. We need one more guy. We need one more. We didn't need it in the draft. That's all I'm saying. No, I'm not saying that at all. Let me be very clear. I'm not suggesting I'm disappointed we didn't get one in the draft. I've said it all along. I'm continuing to say I wanted us to pick the best players available. and need Brooks to tie. That's the way it should be. So drafting for what you need is how you become the Denver Broncos. That's how you pick a second-round quarterback in the 12th overall pick. What happens? Oh, Knicks. Boom. There's a happy medium between the Atlanta Falcons and the Denver Broncos. By the way, are you sure there's a happy medium in there? Maybe a happy meal. One thing I thought was hilarious, by the way, guys. It was on TikTok, and I wish I remembered the name of the TikTok person who did it because they were making fun of the Falcons so bad. There was this guy. He's like, this is the symbolism of the Falcons at a draft. And this guy's like, here's a car. It won't move. What is the most immediate need to get this car to move? Another car! No, no. It's got a wheel taken off the front driver's side. And it's literally on bricks. He's like, now you over there, what would you say we need to make this car mobile? The guy's like, oh, alternator. No, he's like, maybe it's easier to bend over. What do you think? And he starts moving his hands around by the wheel. What do you think this is missing that should be right over this vicinity over here that would stop this car moving? He's like, Power steering fluid. It's hilarious. That's terrible. Horrible. John said, I still think they'd rather have a tackle instead of running back. We have enough of those. We have enough tackles. I'm telling you right now, John, we have enough tackles. I know it sounds weird to say that I'm not worried about the offensive line. I'm not because I don't think you've had people in here that are better than who we already had. That's what it boils down to. Again, same as running, same as quarterback. If you're not going to improve, don't just draft for the sake of draft and say, oh, we tried to get an offensive linebacker. We tried to get a quarterback. I also have faith in the new coaching regime to be better because how long have we had Bobby Johnson for? It's just been a terrible offensive line coach. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the big thing. You got a good offensive line coach now that's been proven and been successful elsewhere, whereas Bobby Johnson had failed his last stop as well. He comes from, you know, and you probably have a decent knowledge of who he is and what he is because he did come from New England, not just the Raiders. He came from New England, save his table, was there for a while too. You know, and you want to talk about offensive line, guys. You got... You know, you got Andrew Thomas, obviously. You got John Michael Schmitz, obviously. We signed John Runyon Jr. There's three guys that you knew were going to start right off the bat. 60% of that line is already solid. Evan Neal, probably going to get a shot to keep right tackle. But he's going to get a shot to keep right tackle. He's not going to be guaranteed right tackle. Then you go ahead and you got Jermaine Illuminor. If Jermaine Illuminor is not a starter, I'll be shocked, guys. He can either start at right tackle or left guard. That's the way it's going to be. They'll probably start him at left guard to start him. I was going to say he's probably going to be left guard. If Evan Neal sucks, he'll move back out to right tackle. He can move around. He's done it before. Johnless is guard or backup center. So we already got the guards. I love the fact that what's-his-face wants to be a giant, and he's willing to move wherever he has to go. Oh, yeah. He's also kissing a bunch of the fans. As fans, we're not used to that. He says backup center. We got Austin Schlottman, keep in mind, who is a legit backup center. We're good at backup center. Trust me. We can also play guard if need be. I think a backup center... Guys, we have the depth like we haven't had in forever at offensive line. I understand, again, everybody's just got the automatic, we need offensive line, we need offensive line, we need offensive line, because our offensive line has been shit forever. Let's be very frank about it. Let's not beat around the bush here. Even with great talent, it's been shit. Yes. As you froze, we lost you there for a minute. It was a very bad pose you were froze on, by the way. Yeah, just like that. You look like... Remember that character Jamie Foxx used to do on Living Color back in the day with the lipstick and everything? Yeah, just like that. It's very nice. But, like I said, we have Ryman. We have... We gotta see what we got on those guys now. And that's what the big thing to figure out is what we can do with what we got. Because you know that we weren't getting the best out of Bobby Johnson. I'm not worried about the offensive line as far as the draft. I'm worried about the long term. But I'm not going to reach for a player that might not have better than Josh Izudo. Might not be better than Aaron Stinney. We went out and got guys. Keep in mind, all this year, we added Aaron Stinney, who's got starting experience at guard. We got Austin Schlottman, who's got starting experience at center. We got John Runyon, who's been a starter his whole career at guard. We got Jermaine Illuminor, who's basically been a starter anywhere in the line you need him. We've added starters, guys. We've added people that are veterans because, quite frankly, the Giants are tired of trying to slap a bunch of young guys together and hope for the best. Hasn't worked. So I'm cool with that. And I think this team is better off now than it was. The only issue... that I have at this roster right now, because I'm very confident we're going to pick up a defensive tackle, defensive lineman kind of guy before this thing is done. My only issue I have is quarterback. That's the only issue. This is going to be the team, I feel like, after this year, that you look at and go, oh my God, they just had a quarterback. Kind of like the Falcons this year. Like the Falcons looks like a decent team. Just couldn't get a quarterback going. With that Desmond Ritter. Yeah. Best team we're going to be this year, basically, guys. That's a very good analogy. True? Yeah. Every so often. Every so often. Here's the one main difference though. We're going to be in a better way better division. I'm going to retract that statement and I'm going to disagree. It's going to be a better division. Way better? No. You don't think the NFC East is not way better than the NFC South? You said last year, two years ago? Hands down. Let's look at the digression of the Eagles the past few years. Let's look at the digression of the Cowboys the past few years. And let's look at the progression of the Commanders and where the Giants have been. I think we have the potential to be more closely to the NFC South than... No, I don't think so at all. I'm not saying we're going to be as bad. I'm just... We're not going to be a blowout. We're not going to go back to being the NFC East. We're not going to be going back to those days. I hope so. But... We're part of that division. If it's the NFC East, then we're part of that. I hope so that we don't go back there. So if you hope you do, then... That's what I'm saying. With the rest of the division, I can do it. As long as we're good, I'm happy. I'm just saying... Cowboys consistently win 12 games a year. They also let up a lot of players and coaching to across the Delaware from us south to the Commanders, who could be a better team. Also could blow up in their face. Eagles were a house of cards last year. They lost six of the last seven. Dakota, if you're in the comments, sucks to be you. But Just saying. The winner of the NFC East might only have 10 wins. And it might look closer to NFC South than what you're giving credit to. Is all I'm saying. We're not going to be dominant. It will not have seven or eight wins, which is what the NFC South was. That was my point. Is that you're not going to win by going 500. we're also not going to be the team that has 10 wins, 11 wins, 12 wins. You wouldn't have thought that two years ago. You're wrong, but this team will go as far as the quarterbacks will take them, which is true of most teams. Don't get me wrong, but it's true for us. All right, guys. I think it's that time. Yep. I think it's that time of the night, guys. Can we put two hours in, guys? We did like five hours on Friday, four hours on Thursday. You guys got to be tired of us by now. You got to be tired of us. I want to go see my family. Love you guys. Dash, I'm saying, what's up, Dash, man? What's up, brother? We're talking about content creators. If you haven't followed this man yet, you should. Big Dash knows. He's going to get you on the show one day, man. This guy knows his stuff. You guys know, I'll sometimes say, some content creators, or I just won't usually mention them by name. Dash knows his stuff. He's good. I do know his stuff. he does. But yeah, again, guys, we'll have to see what happens. I still think they're not done with moves. I'm not just talking about undrafted rookie free agents kind of stuff. I still think they're going to go ahead and get a defensive lineman on this roster. I still think that's going to happen. I'm hoping, and again, I know I'm crazy for it. I understand he's not that great, again, when I say this. I'm still hoping that they go ahead and at least make a call to Ryan Tannehill's people. I'm not sold on DJ still. Not that I think Tannehill's that great, but I think he'd be a good fit for a one-year stopgap and then kind of re-hit, take a look at this QB market next year at that point, you know? Especially if, yeah, like you, be it nauseam, your biggest concern is if DJ's going to get paid $20 million... with the injury clause. Yeah. Well, but again, the one thing to keep in mind with that injury clause is only if he gets out for the year. But he's had these problems before. So, like I said, I think that's where I'm at. For the five years that he's played, he's... You know my theory. I'd redshirt the guy. I'd go ahead and, you know, put... You just do what Sean Payne did to Russell Wilson. I got you. I wouldn't do that. I'd cut him next year. I'd red shirt him this year, basically. Heal up. Heal up and then go back. I would do anything, but I won't do that. But we won't take him back. Oh, no. We have a really good safety now. But, yeah. All right, guys. We're going to call it a night. We'll be back on Monday. Monday, we're going to probably be going over. We're probably going to go over all the undrafted rookie free agents that we're picking up here that Bill has been kind enough to let us know about, as you see in there. But what we got as well is Tuesday. We'll go ahead and give you guys a rundown of the rest of the NFC East and what they've done here. I want to go ahead and give you guys that as well because that matters. A, we've had trouble beating two out of three of those guys. And B, no matter what. Tuesday. Oh, I'm sorry. Wednesday. Wednesday. That's what I was going to say. Last week we did Tuesday. I got thrown for a loop here. This week we did Tuesday. Not last week. It's last week because this week's over now. This is the last day of the week. Tomorrow's the new week. Now, if a tree passes gas in the woods, then no one's there to hear it just to make a sound. It's called global warning. Exactly. Goddamn cows. Anyway. Wednesday, you're right. Wednesday, we're going to do the rundown on... you know, again, on what the rest of the division did there. Again, not that we had trouble beating them, but we're going to have to face these guys here twice a year. So it's important. Know your opponents. Then what we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and we're going to go ahead and end the draft conversation at that point there. So Friday we back up talking about... The regular off-season stuff. We got a few things planned for you guys. So don't worry. We'll be live three nights a week. I should say we'll be live. But we'll at least be on three nights a week still. Even though I know a lot of the... This is going to turn into a slow time in this period. If you guys haven't already, hit the like. Hit the subscribe. Hit that bell. Because that's when you know we're live. And I know a lot of content creators kind of started abandoning ships. We're sort of big this time of year again. We're going to be on three nights a week, guys. No matter what. Give you up-to-date content. Listen, guys. I go on YouTube all the time. I don't hit the subscribe. Don't be like me. Hit the subscribe button. It really helps. I can tell you point by point. I can see the stats. We have 65 for the people that watch our show. Do not subscribe. And the funny thing is, I can see who subscribes and who doesn't. And I know you haven't subscribed. What the hell? I can tell you that there are people that are here in the comments section on a regular basis that I know have not subscribed because they pop up on the list. So I'm not trying to call anybody out. I'm not going to be that guy. I'm just saying, if you could, help us out, please. Again, we'll see you guys on Monday as we talk about some undrafted rookie free agents that we picked up here. Appreciate you guys listening, as always. 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