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Unveiling The Best Edge Rushers In The 2024 NFL Draft - Pass Rush Specialists

April 12, 2024 Drew & Rob
Unveiling The Best Edge Rushers In The 2024 NFL Draft - Pass Rush Specialists
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Unveiling The Best Edge Rushers In The 2024 NFL Draft - Pass Rush Specialists
Apr 12, 2024
Drew & Rob

In this episode, we take a closer look at some of the most promising edge rusher prospects entering the NFL draft, analyzing their performances, strengths, and areas for improvement.

Dallas Turner from Alabama kicks off our analysis with impressive numbers, including 10 sacks in the 2023 season. Despite concerns about his strength and injury history, Turner's speed off the edge and proficiency as a pass rusher position him as a top prospect in the draft.

Laiatu Latu, a standout from UCLA and Washington, showcases his dominance as a pass rusher with 21.5 tackles for loss and 13 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him a remarkable 96.3 PFF grade. With his combination of size, athleticism, and productivity, Latu emerges as a highly sought-after prospect in the draft.

Jared Verse from Florida State demonstrates his prowess as a pass rusher with 9 sacks in the 2022 season and an impressive 84.4 PFF grade in 2023. 

Chop Robinson from Penn State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 7.5 tackles for loss and 4 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him a stellar 90.8 PFF grade. 

Darius Robinson from Missouri emerges as another formidable edge rusher, tallying 14 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks in the 2023 season. 

Chris Braswell from Alabama showcases his versatility as a pass rusher with 10.5 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, including an interception returned for a touchdown.

Bralen Trice from Washington demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 11.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 88.1 PFF grade. 

Adisa Isaac from Penn State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 16 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 8.17 PFF grade. 

Austin Booker from Kansas and Minnesota displays his versatility as a pass rusher with 12 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 82.2 PFF grade. 

Jonah Ellis from Utah demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 16 tackles for loss and 12 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 84.7 PFF grade. 

Marshawn Kneeland from Western Michigan showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 7.5 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 89.7 PFF grade. 

Gabriel Murphy from UCLA and North Texas demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 16 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 85.3 PFF grade. 

Mohamed Kamara from Colorado State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 17 tackles for loss and 13 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 85.9 PFF grade. With his athleticism and pass-rushing ability, Kamara emerges as a top prospect in the draft.

Javon Solomon from Troy showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 18 tackles for loss and 16 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an impressive 84.6 PFF grade. 

Join us as we dissect the talents of these edge rusher prospects, uncovering the next generation of defensive stars poised to make an impact in the NFL.

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In this episode, we take a closer look at some of the most promising edge rusher prospects entering the NFL draft, analyzing their performances, strengths, and areas for improvement.

Dallas Turner from Alabama kicks off our analysis with impressive numbers, including 10 sacks in the 2023 season. Despite concerns about his strength and injury history, Turner's speed off the edge and proficiency as a pass rusher position him as a top prospect in the draft.

Laiatu Latu, a standout from UCLA and Washington, showcases his dominance as a pass rusher with 21.5 tackles for loss and 13 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him a remarkable 96.3 PFF grade. With his combination of size, athleticism, and productivity, Latu emerges as a highly sought-after prospect in the draft.

Jared Verse from Florida State demonstrates his prowess as a pass rusher with 9 sacks in the 2022 season and an impressive 84.4 PFF grade in 2023. 

Chop Robinson from Penn State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 7.5 tackles for loss and 4 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him a stellar 90.8 PFF grade. 

Darius Robinson from Missouri emerges as another formidable edge rusher, tallying 14 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks in the 2023 season. 

Chris Braswell from Alabama showcases his versatility as a pass rusher with 10.5 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, including an interception returned for a touchdown.

Bralen Trice from Washington demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 11.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 88.1 PFF grade. 

Adisa Isaac from Penn State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 16 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 8.17 PFF grade. 

Austin Booker from Kansas and Minnesota displays his versatility as a pass rusher with 12 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 82.2 PFF grade. 

Jonah Ellis from Utah demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 16 tackles for loss and 12 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 84.7 PFF grade. 

Marshawn Kneeland from Western Michigan showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 7.5 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 89.7 PFF grade. 

Gabriel Murphy from UCLA and North Texas demonstrates his effectiveness as a pass rusher with 16 tackles for loss and 8 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 85.3 PFF grade. 

Mohamed Kamara from Colorado State showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 17 tackles for loss and 13 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an 85.9 PFF grade. With his athleticism and pass-rushing ability, Kamara emerges as a top prospect in the draft.

Javon Solomon from Troy showcases his disruptive presence on the field with 18 tackles for loss and 16 sacks in the 2023 season, earning him an impressive 84.6 PFF grade. 

Join us as we dissect the talents of these edge rusher prospects, uncovering the next generation of defensive stars poised to make an impact in the NFL.

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Welcome to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. Are you a goofball that loves Giants football? If so, sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much. And now, here are your goofball hosts, Drew and Rob. Welcome, fellow goofballs, to Two Giant Goofballs, New York Giants podcast. I am Drew, joined as always by... And me, Rob. Let's talk about setting the measures. Oh, yes. It's that time to talk about the edge rushers. One of the more fun positions to talk about here on the defensive side of the ball here. And we got some nice prospects here. I know some of the times we start these things off like, hey, this isn't a strong group here. This is one of those groups that... i think there's a lot of strength in certain aspects so there's not a ton of oh my god this is amazing talent kind of player but there's a lot of interesting pass rushers specifically which is obviously where this group gets most of its press most of its fun people enjoy watching the clips you know no one goes oh my god look at the way that edge guy set the edge So edge setting. Edge setting. So, yeah. And to answer Connor's question, yes, we are live today, Connor. We are live, live, live. And we're going to go over. We got 14 edge rushers. I know an odd number, but honestly, after these 14, it got to be a whole bunch of guys who are just day three picks. And I'm like, I wasn't sure where to go with that. Where do I cut the line here? So I cut the line here. At the edge. 10 out of 14. Yes, that's where we sit at the edge of the edges. And Connor, if you're playing at home, every time that we say edge, you have to take a drink. Exactly, because we're living on the edge. And we have also some Giants news here for you guys today as well. We signed a new player today. We also went ahead and got an interesting proposal that's been kind of going around involving the draft and Julio Jones. Yes, I'll leave it at that. yes I know it makes no sense it'll make sense I promise it'll make sense so let's get into the edge rushers number 14 gabriel murphy Oh, yeah. Gabriel Murphy has been playing the last couple years there at UCLA. Before that, played a few years over at North Texas. What an interesting mix. Went from Texas to L.A. Yeah, it's like North Texas, too. Not even like Austin. That's yeah, that's that's that's it's got to be a little diversity here. What way of wording it? So six foot three, 260 pounds, a nice size. There are no age given. Again, he started college, though, in 2019. So, you know, we have to be able to assume at that point that he, you know, probably around 23 years old or so. um 22 13 games 38 tackles four tackles for a loss one and a half sacks one pass deflected and one fumble recovery that's not so crazy but this past year all of a sudden sudden kind of clicked and keep in mind he was coming from north texas so therefore a little bit of a jump in you know what town he went to at that point 23, 13 games, 38 tackles, 16 tackles for loss. It quadruples that number there. It goes up to eight sacks, two passes deflected. It has an 85.3 PFF grade there. As far as the pros and cons here, pros is a good first step and good use of hands. That's very, very key stuff that people always forget. He who gets off the ground or moves towards the other side of the ball quicker tends to have the advantage. If you can time a snap, that is a skill that will always help you. As far as the cons, no twitch, meaning he's not the guy that can kind of shift in gear a little bit there and move around and kind of fool you. He's prone to penalties. He's had a lot of penalties this past year, and he does have shorter arms. That's obviously going to hurt him a little bit there in the NFL. People typically have prototype size. I think he's going to be around for kind of grade myself there. I think he's going to be a guy who will probably start off as a, you know, a backup edge, a pass rushing specialist kind of guy. And they're going to hope to, you know, obviously get them into the role of a full timer. But again, when you're getting somebody in the fourth round, fourth round is not necessarily where you're looking to get a starter. You don't mind getting a starter. Don't get me wrong. But in the end, you're happy with somebody who just contributes to the team in some way, shape, or form. That's what you want on day three. Contributors. And just leave it at that. Because you can't be picky when you're picking people that have been already passed up three to seven times. But there are two teams. exactly that's literally what these guys exactly that's literally what these guys exactly that's literally what these guys are so are so are so you know he's not the best of the best of you know he's not the best of the best of you know he's not the best of the best of the best of the best sir the best of the best sir the best of the best sir we're gonna get to start getting to those we're gonna get to start getting to those we're gonna get to start getting to those guys soon though guys soon though guys soon though oh yeah so oh yeah so oh yeah so next up next up next up next up next up next up next up next up next up next up next up next up we have we have we have lucky number 13. lucky number 13. lucky number 13. javon solomon from troy javon solomon from troy Talk about a school that you don't hear too much on, Troy. But every so often, they get a good player coming from there. And this is that every so often. Javon, 6'2", 245 pounds there in 22, 14 games, 44 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks. So not that great a year. But all of a sudden this year, whoo-hoo, he learned something. 2013, 14 games, 56 tackles, 18 tackles for loss, 16 sacks, which led all of college football, by the way. Two fumble recoveries, three forced fumbles, and a 90.8 PFF grade. Now, keep in mind, when we're talking sack totals here, guys, I want you to remember this, too. These aren't 17-game seasons like the NFL. So if you're comparing the NFL... That's not the right comparison to make there. So we said a minute ago Murphy had eight sacks in 13 games. Would that be like having a 9-10 sack season at that point in the NFL? 16 in 14 games? Yeah, that's like Dakota having almost 20 in a season. He is tearing it up. Tearing it up. Pros and con-wise, he gets to the quarterback. He's obviously an obvious pro. He gets right there because that's the name of the game. Great spin move. And it's not just a spin move that you look at and you go, that's good for a guy from Troy. No, he's got a really good spin move in general. And it's one that works very effectively and one that most people think will work very effectively in the NFL even. Worked very well in the senior bowl for him even. Got good bend, got good burst. So, you know, a lot of the tools that you want to see that you can't teach. As far as the cons to him there, the biggest con is he has trouble getting off blocks. Again, we said he's 245 pounds. So a lot of times we're 240 pounds. You're not going against guys that are smaller than you. You're going against guys that are typically much, much bigger than you. That's an issue a lot of times. So you're going to have to learn how to just either stop them from getting a hold of them in general or get more moves at that point to go ahead and get off those blocks. The other con is he wasn't asked to run stop often. So I'm putting in the cons, but again... you guys know if you watch the show on a regular basis I don't like to blame people for not showing they can do things they're not asked to do but run stopping is a big part of defense obviously it's 50 you say it's 50 percent it's it's literally that's that's that important um and he just didn't do it they literally would tell him go for the quarterback just keep going for the quarterback keep going 16 sex keep going for the quarterback So, you know, we don't know if he can do well. He may be able to do well for all we know. We're worrying about nothing. But you have to imagine, considering he was never asked to do it, that there's probably some kind of learning curve there. I mean, you've got to imagine he's going to be there. I mean, I think he's the guy you probably see in round four. Again, small school, so you've got to imagine there's going to be a learning curve from there. Didn't ask to run stop, learning curve there. So he'll start off. It's kind of similar to what we just said a minute ago about Gabriel Murphy. He's going to start off as a pass rusher specialist. You know, you look at the numbers, and you can pretty much tell, obviously, why he would be a great pass rush specialist at that point to bring off the bench and obvious passing downs. and then you just work with them during the season at that point. Show them better as far as how to stop the run. Teach them some additional moves. Obviously, again, I say this every time we get a small school guy, and I don't mean to be disrespectful when I say it because those coaches know more than me and Rob about football. I'm not saying they're bums, but they don't know nearly as much as the guys at the big school, and they literally don't know half as much probably as the guys at the NFL level. There is a difference in the teaching abilities, and there's a difference in the knowledge level they have. so go in there let him sit for a year or two behind somebody let him learn eventually this guy could if he gets good at stopping the run he could end up being a very good starter for somebody in this deal in the draft but he's gonna take a little time to develop and you're gonna have to have a little patience with him so yeah without a doubt all righty next up we have another small school guy it's a small school kind of day you guys marshawn neiland And I got to say up front, if you're somebody who does a lot of coverage on football players and the draft in specific, there's a lot of people who are going to give me some crap of where we put this guy. Number 12. A lot of people have him a lot higher. There are some people who thought he could even sneak into the first round at some point. I think that, to me, is a little crazy. Now, if you like people... You're betting on physical attributes. You're going to love this kid. If you're somebody who watches tape and wants to see what they do on the actual field, you're not going to like him as much. And that's where we get into that. I didn't see enough on the field to go ahead and get all excited about this kid. Does he have some great measurables? Is he an athlete? Yes. could he perhaps become a regular player in the nfl of course But he's playing at Western Michigan this last year here. And his whole career just didn't dominate like you'd like to see. 6'3", 275 pounds, 22 years old. You're looking at 22 is nine games, 37 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, one and a half sacks, and three passes deflected. This past year, 10 games, 57 tackles. seven and a half tackles for loss, four and a half sacks, two forced fumbles, 89.7 PFF grade. Now, that's still a very high PFF grade because he was very good at setting the edge. He was very good at stopping the run. But my main thing is, that's great. But if you're not sitting there and getting to the quarterback, I can't go goo-goo-ga-ga and crazy for you. Especially when you're not doing it in Western Michigan. What's going to happen when you start facing guys that are a whole lot better? Because that's what we're looking at here. We said it last night. We've said it this year, last year. When you get someone from a small school that is going to be NFL caliber talent, you want them to dominate those conferences? Do you want them to dominate those divisions? They need to be the hammer constantly and nail in the opponents. Nail in the opposing team. Yeah. Whether Drake May, whether... I'm not saying that he's going to go high as Drake, but you know what I'm saying? You want someone to stand out. I feel like if you can't get to the quarterback when you're playing Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan. There's a lot of Michigans. Ohio. Miami, Ohio. I mean, like, these are great schools. This is the teams he was facing. This is the teams he's facing. Kent State, Buffalo, Ball State. I mean, these aren't like amazing schools he's going against. So you got four and a half sacks. That's not enough. And now he still has going to have a spot in this league. And I think he's more like a jihad war kind of player at that point there, you know, who is very good to stop at the wrong. That's what he is. He's not a bum. I'm not trying to go to that degree. But I can't look at him as one of the elite guys in this class when you've got four and a half sacks against that kind of caliber of talent. There's a place for him in the league, and it's as a run-stopping specialist edge rusher that you hope to develop his pass rushing game better. That's where he's at. But I'm sorry, if you can't get sacks against the team's Western Michigan bases, you're not going to get a lot of sacks in the NFL. So if you watch something on tape and you go, okay, I think I can fix this or I can fix that. You want to take a shot, go for it, but go for a late. If somebody drafts him early, I think it's a huge reach. Though it wouldn't shock me because, again, I see people talking about it. As far as the pros and cons of having him, he's strong, he's aggressive, he's a great size, he's athletic. Again, he's got some of that stuff that you look for in those small school kind of guys there. As far as the cons, he over-pursues. Needs to close the sack. He does get back there in the backfield. He just has trouble finishing the deal there. Needs to gain more pass rushing skills. That's part of it as well. He's such a big guy at that point. He kind of bum rushes and just hopes for the best. Very raw as a pass rusher. It's like a dump truck coming at you sideways. Exactly. We're going to get another guy soon to go by the dump truck, but he's pretty close to it here. I said, I think he'll go in day two. I don't think he should go to early day three, but I think somebody will see something and pull the trigger a little early there at that point. Mostly, I think so. All right, next up, Jonah Ellis out of Utah. We talked about him. We talked about the second-gen players. We promised you he was coming here. Here he is. All right, Jonah Ellis out of Utah. Utah. It should be said that way more. It's more fun. Utah. Like soldier boy. Like point blank. Jonah Utah. Utah. Six foot two, 400 and... Sorry, 400 and 246 pounds. Really big boy. 400 and 246 pounds. That'd be hilarious. So he is 21 years old. In 22-11 games, 26 tackles, six tackles for a loss, three sacks, two fumble recoveries, and two forced fumbles. uh this year 10 games 37 tackles 16 tackles for loss 12 sacks three passes deflected one forced fumble and an 84.7 pff right there so this is going to sound a little deja vu potentially a little bit here but uh very good as far as pros and cons very quick good hand counter so if you go to if you got an offensive lineman that goes to put his hands he's very good at countering that move real quick and getting slipping out of it there um fast first step and doesn't give up this is the guy when you watch him on tape If you've got a quarterback that's holding onto the ball, waiting for a sudden opening, you know, sometimes it seems like the guy's going to get pushed to the side. They kind of are away from the play. No, he keeps going. This guy does not shut it off to that whistle blows. I love seeing that. As far as the cons, this is going to sound rude, but he's weak. For the size he is, he just doesn't have a lot of strength. I mean, he's 246 pounds. You expect him to have a little bit of strength there. He's really going to have to bulk up in the NFL depending on how effective his spin and his speed rush moves are. He's also got a lack of bend, which is an issue for a guy who counts on speed rush moves at that point. So... I'm a little concerned that combination is going to be really bad in the NFL there. But I do think this is another guy, much like the guys we've already talked about, that, again, you add him in as a situational pass rusher, you work him up a little bit, you do some coaching with him, and you try to develop him into a long-term starter on your team, potentially. I think he's going to be a round three pick. And I think someone who has got a 3-4 scheme is the one who's going to have to go for him there. Because I don't think he can play the actual defensive end position unless he can put on 20 pounds in the next couple months here. But not a bad player, I think, overall. Yeah, he's definitely, like you said, 4-3 is definitely where he's going to go. He's got the talent. And I wouldn't be surprised in a few years to see this guy walking around like 265, 270. If you tell him to, he will. He's that player, I think. I really think he's going to be that coachable. And I don't know if it's just the proper things got instilled from his dad, who, again, talked about, you know, played football for many years for the Detroit Lions. But, yeah, he's coachable. He definitely seems coachable. So, love that in a player, that's for sure. All right. We got... We go back to, like, one... you know, semi-bigger school to go into a little bit of a smaller school again at that point there. This isn't as small as Western Michigan or Troy, but another school you don't see a lot of names coming out of that are top 10 in any draft, but we got one here for you. And this kid actually seriously has a lot of potential to do some major things in the NFL, and that's Muhammad Kamara. Alrighty, and no, that's not the Irish Rams he's playing for, okay? If you're wondering, see the green and the horns. Not from LA, that's Colorado State. 6'1", 250 pounds, 24 years old. He was playing with college for a little while there, so he's a little older side. 22, 12 games, 44 tackles, 16 tackles. What? Keep going. 16 tackles for loss, eight and a half sacks, one fumble recovered, and two fumble forced. Almost came out of the draft after that year. So that's not a bad year. That's not a great year, but it's not a bad year. It's enough to get you drafted at least. This past year, though, 13 games, 56 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 13 sacks, one pass deflected, fumble recovered, and scored a touchdown off of that, and two forced fumbles, 85.9 PFF grade. So he definitely got better this year. Yeah, and I'm telling you, you watch him on tape and he is a fun player to watch. As far as the pros and cons, athletic, high motor, strong, active hands, quick first step. The cons, he's short. We talked about six foot one. He's got a little T-Rex arms. He does. So not as long as you really like to do with that. he needs to add more to his arsenal of pass rush moves as well. He kind of just bum rushes, makes like one move and gets around, or he just doesn't. But yeah, he is, like I said, he's a fun player, guys. If you get the chance to before the draft's up, you want to look at guys late round, mid-round kind of players at that point from smaller schools. Add him to your list because I think he's going to do something special in this league. I really do. If I had to bet on one of these guys developing into a full-time starter for a long time in this bottom half of this 14 we're doing, it's probably going to be Kamara. I like him that much there. I think he's a guy that you could even potentially... Look to start him day one. And I think he's got that kind of possibility. But for some reason, he's not getting the hype. He's not getting the love from the draft guys. I think he's going to go round four. I think he's going to be a steal for whoever gets him. I really do. And I think he probably should be more like a late two, early third. That's the kind of talent I see out of him. But he's going to go in the fourth round, I think, personally. Yeah, I mean, I can see him going up to the third, depends on how the run goes with edges, but you're probably not wrong. Just because of the size. I think the school is what's killing him. I really do. I think if he put those kind of numbers up or was the same kind of player and they were a little bit lower as far as the numbers against an SEC school or a Pac-12 school, I think you'd see a lot more interest in him in this draft. It's the Colorado State thing killing him. It really is. All righty. We got two more here before we reach halftime here. Adisa Isaac out of Penn State. Alrighty, so 6'4", so not a shorty there. 254 pounds, 22 years old. 22, played 13 games, 28 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, and 4 sacks. This past season, 13 games, 37 tackles, 16 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks, 1 fumble recover, and 81.7 PFF grade there. As far as the pros and cons here, the cons 121 really and it's that's the big one there but as far as the pros he's got a lot of nice pass rush moves really active hands good bend and good off the snap he's a pass rusher as far as the negative goes He is just bad at stopping the run. As Rob just pointed out, by the way, that I skipped somebody, guys. I apologize. Adisa Isaac is number eight on our list. I'll go back to number nine in a minute. I really want to just go ahead and keep you guys in suspense on who number nine is. I know that's why you're all here, to find out who is number nine. A potion number nine. Anyway, the con for him is run stopping. He is horrendous against the running college. So that doesn't tend to get better in the NFL. I think he's going to be a really good pass rush specialist in this league. And I think that's probably where he stops. And that's why he gets down here because he's going to be that guy that could come off the bench and still get six sacks a year. That's where I have him at in the NFL. But he'll never be there. Is anything you think it's a pass, pop him out there. But the problem you're going to run into is... No, it's not that. It's that he's never going to end up playing time on the field because of his issues against the run to go ahead and be a star. You know what I mean? If he played 80% of the snaps, he'd maybe have 10, 11 sacks potentially. But he would never get to the point where you put him on there, potentially, because he's just that bad against the run. Unless somebody can coach him out of it. But I'm sorry, when you're that bad in college, I have trouble thinking anything else is going to happen there at that point. And again, he went to Penn State. This is not the guy who went to Troy or something like that, where, again, you got a lesser quality of coaching staff. Penn State has a really good coaching staff. James Franklin has been there for some years there. Came from the SEC, came from other coaching staffs that he learned a lot of stuff over the years. That's a good coach and a good coaching staff. You're having trouble there at that position. probably not going to get better. But again, good pass rusher. So there's definitely value to be had in that point. But like I said, a day two pick, I think he'll be probably a late day two, like a round three kind of guy. But he's a guy that somebody's going to go, you know what? What are we missing? We're missing a pass rush. Who do we got? Okay. Isaac's on the board. Let's get him. That's what's going to happen, basically. And we're saying, oh, we're good against the run. Let's take him out during those plays. And that's literally what they will do. So, all righty. Let's get to the guy we skipped. Let's end the suspense of who number nine was. Because for some reason, my list was correct, but my list here to the right here of me where I hit the buttons for the videos was off on those two. Number nine is Austin Booker out of Kansas. There's no place like home. And talk about an interesting player here that it gets a little difficult to a certain degree to get a full feel for him. So he played last year at Kansas. Prior to that, he played a few years over in Minnesota, don't you know? Oh, Minnesota. And got like no playing time whatsoever. Like they just would not put him in the games there. He literally had one start in his entire career prior to going to Kansas this year. so six foot six two hundred and forty five pounds so yeah no short arms there um no another guy well yeah I mean it's about the same size as me and I mean that's like I'm off the camera here and I'm so am I but I'm far back you're right against it yes um my nose is pressed against it You have a big nose. It's okay. Your nose is always pressed against. Anyway, no age given for him, but he started college back in 21. So you got to assume that he's probably about 21 years old because that means he graduated high school around then. So, you know, 18 years old. So 2003. So yeah, about 21 years old. You got to think 22 when he was last year in Minnesota, six games, two tackles, one force fumble. Yeah, not pretty good. 23, though. Again, Kansas saw something they liked. 12 games, 56 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, 8 sacks, 1 pass deflected, 2 forced fumbles, and 82.2 PFF grade there. And again, this is Kansas. He didn't go to some tiny little school to try to just get some playing time. Kansas is as legit a school as Minnesota is. So I don't know what Minnesota did, especially because you will find out very quickly that we don't have people like crazy from Minnesota on our list here. So I'm not sure quite why they were like, let's not play this kid. He's too good. As far as the pros and cons, the pros, very athletic. I mean, and I got to wonder if that's part of what they saw. Maybe they played him the prior year and just saw him out there stretching and running and stuff like that. Very athletic. Again, long arms, plays to run well too as well. Got that good bend, which is weird. When you're caught like that, you don't typically have that kind of bend. He's got bend. As far as the cons, the O.D. Connerly is the fact that he's raw. The guy played one start before this year. This is raw as you get. This is like practically taking a kid out of high school. so that's very tough to be a protege but yeah so if you like developing and you feel like you have the coaching staff to develop and you like what you saw from this kid at kansas you're going to take the shot because he looked very good for a first-year starter. You have to look at it that way. We talk about these other guys that have nine sacks or ten sacks or nine and a half sacks, and this is their third or fourth year starting, some of these guys. He went right off the bat with 12 tackles for a loss and eight sacks. That's a good year. Pretty impressive. That's a good year. So kudos to him. Like I said, I think day two pick. And like I said, if you got the right guy to teach him, it could be some fun with them. All right. Let's pay the bills real quick. Let's go to the comments. And then we're going to finish up with the second half here. And then we're going to go into that giant news for you, as promised, with the brand new giant just signed today. And again, weird rumor involving Julio Jones and the NFL draft and the Giants as well here. let's go ahead and pay the bills enjoying the show looking for more goofball action consider a membership at buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs membership start at just five dollars and give you additional goofball access one-time support payments also available starting at just three dollars buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs all righty and it's mostly connor being all righty and it's mostly connor being all righty and it's mostly connor being drunk everybody so if anybody else has drunk everybody so if anybody else has drunk everybody so if anybody else has any thoughts they want to keep as well any thoughts they want to keep as well any thoughts they want to keep as well feel fresh feel fresh feel fresh oh I just said edge yeah just playing a oh I just said edge yeah just playing a oh I just said edge yeah just playing a game Oh, yeah, that's right. Connor says, is this live or Memorex? I was hoping for Memorex. I don't know why he doesn't want to live. You don't want a live show? You want us to do Memorex? He says, okay, I'm into the drinking game. He said, drinking Sammy. He means Hagar Cabo Wabo tequila with teriyaki chicken wings. Now, are you using the tequila in the chicken wings or are you actually drinking the tequila? Well, I hope he's drinking tequila because you wouldn't want to spend that kind of money to spend a Cabo Wabo to put in some wings. Is Cabo Wabo expensive? I don't know. I'm not a tequila person usually. Well, I mean, you can get it down at bay for cooking. It'll be a lot better. Yeah, I usually do whiskey. I think Cabo Wabo is like $50 a bottle. Yeah, that's a decent amount then. Let's see. What are you looking for, Roberto? Misplace your tequila? I did. It's hidden in my liver. Oh, no. I had a plug in my laptop, and I unplugged the plug as I was plugging in the laptop. Oh, no. Connor says, Drew, are you dissing Western Michigan? Don't get the people there in an uproar. Listen, they're going to have no clue. It's still the winter. They're still frozen in ice right now. By the time they thaw out, they'll have no clue what's going on. They're all ice fishing. drinking exactly kind of says hey tom brady says he might come out of retirement um and did you hear the glove quitter died today before oj was good for you now it'll kill you justice cancer got him burn oj burn yeah yeah for those who missed the news today oj simpson not a jew but guess who is hall of famer rod carew oj simpson died uh it's weird when like somebody like that dies for me because it's like you know listen I'm not going to get into the the legal case of it I believe personally that he did it but I wasn't there I don't know yeah and we're also you know kids when that really happened it was in 96 right I was like even early 92 or something like that dude I remember the bronco drive oh yes I remember the white bronco yeah I remember that stop it's like tv you're like what but it's like I didn't see him play you know that was the 70s when he was playing at that point I watched him in what uh poseidon adventures he was inside he was in uh he was in lethal weapons yeah and he was also supposed to be in the terminator but apparently he was a killer he was too kind so you know I don't know I i I think it's a hard way for people to know how to feel when he dies so you know you know feel bad for his family and friends I guess best way to put it the surviving ones the ones that made it yeah I mean the guy really wrote a book on how he would kill nicole and kim and nicole kim and nicole gold oh you know cole brown simpson right nicole brown simpson and ron goldman that was two people yeah we wrote a book about how he would do it yeah and profit off that allegedly like I'm sorry I'm sorry I just I just I i just I i have some biased words and I'll put it that way uh yeah partially because that's what I grew up with was him doing that part of I didn't catch the football part of it there so um but it's a nice fun memes going around elise which is kind of sad to say when someone dies that's but it is what it is it is juice expired Anyway, the rest of Connor's comments is giving us the play-by-play in the next game, so we're not going over that. I'll be the first one to say it. I'm sorry if any of you guys like basketball. I can't stand basketball anymore. I used to love it as a kid. I used to love it. When we were growing up, it was such a heyday of it. Now it's just all three-pointers, block. I mean, three-pointers and dunks, it's like... There's no more mid-range shot. There's not post moves like the boxing out. It's not the same thing. There's a lot of dunks. I'm saying dunks and three points. That's all I feel like it is anymore. It's not as fun as it used to be when I used to watch it as a kid. I mean, Gary Jordan's not there anymore. Well, it's everybody. They make great players. I mean, you put a team from like late 80s, early 90s together, like the dream team, and tell me there's any chance of hell. No, but I'm saying you tell me any way in hell that a team of the players nowadays would make it against those guys. We'll have to make Space Jam 3 and find out. is never gonna happen anyway let's get back to the list because we got we got seven more guys to go we got the bigger names coming here uh including and bigger size including the one who's gonna be number one and I'm gonna tell you guys up front my number one that I put here guys is nowhere near the number one that most people put It's not the typical guy you're thinking. So get your mind out of Texas if that's what you're thinking number one's going to be. It's not that guy. It's not that guy. So number seven, Braylon Trice out of Washington. Oh, yeah. We've talked about him before. Actually, we've done mock drafts with him and gotten him as well. So 6'4", 274 pounds, 23 years old. In 22, he was 13 games, 38 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, 9 sacks. Actually led all of college football in QB pressures that year. In 23, 15 games, 49 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 7 sacks, 2 passes deflected, a fumble recovery, and a forced fumble with an 88.1 PFF score there. As far as pros and cons there. Pro, strong, gets in the backfield regularly, good against the run, and a high motor. He's an all-around player. This is not the guy you develop and is a situational pass rusher and hope you can develop the rest of the game. He's got both parts of the game now already down. The problem you'll run into is, as far as the cons here, he doesn't change direction well. He's not an elite athlete, and he's got a limited pass rush. His main thing is bull rush and maybe one move after that. he's got to get a mentor at that point that can teach him a lot of moves at that point and get that going. But you also have to recognize, again, that he doesn't have that elite athleticism. He's never going to be the guy with the crazy spin moves and stuff like that. He needs to get rips and swims going and stuff like that, get those arms moving at that point and get some moves going that way. And I think he's got a chance to develop into a decent player in this league. But he's kind of got a high floor, low ceiling to me, though, because if he doesn't develop a better pass rush then he kind of becomes useless pretty much I can get a good I i can get a good run stopper anywhere I don't need to get a guy in in day two which is where he's probably gonna go just to stop the run so he's gonna have to develop that rep pass rush at that point I think that's gonna come with time it's gonna come with coaching but you got to be confident you got the guy that can coach him at that point so But, yeah, again, day two kind of pick at that point there. And he's going to be the high flooring, high floor, low ceiling kind of guy. Reverse that, sorry. He's got a high ceiling, low floor kind of guy at that point there. He's got to develop that stuff there. So we'll see if he does. On to number six. Number six. Definitely from a very small school. I don't think you guys probably ever heard of this one before. Chris Braswell from Alabama, I think it's pronounced. Alabama. Alabama. I think they've won a couple championships or something there in Alabama. Tuscaloosa just a few. 6'3", 255 pounds, 22 years old. Back in 22, he was 13 games, 22 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble. Didn't get nearly the playing time he got this year. In 23, 14 games, 42 tackles, 10.5 tackles for loss, 8 sacks, 1 interception, which he did return for a pick 6, 1 pass deflected, and 3 forced fumbles. So, yeah, definitely saw an uptick. So there's a little bit of rawness to him too as well with that because, again, he didn't start and didn't see a lot of time in the field until just this year there. Ended up with a 81.0 PFF grade. Again, that's SEC. I do kind of scale these kind of grades when I look at who they're playing against at that point. 81 against basically the best competition in college football. That says something. Pros and cons for him there. High football IQ, quick first step, great hand technique. Cons, stunted if the lineman gets the inside punch. So if that guy gets in there and gets right in there on him at that point, he has no way to break free. He's done. Again, this is the rawness. I think I said it still looks raw in there. he's going to have to learn. He needs more reps. He needs to get a little more coaching at that point. But he's got a good start. And if you feel like you can be the one to go ahead and get him into the forum and you like the way his tape looks at that point, then why not go for it? Alabama hasn't had a few successful people come into the NFL at that point. If you're going to take a bet, take a bet on a guy from Alabama. It's not a bad move there. But he's another guy who's going to have that high ceiling, low floor kind of thing there because He could not pan out. That could be the best. He could already be bested at us for all we know. We could reach that ceiling. We don't know. You don't know. But a day two pick on somebody with potential elite pass rush abilities and edge abilities overall, you take that shot and you hope that's how it works out. Yeah. You get rid of those first punches and then take those good hands. Yeah, he could be good in the NFL. Now we get on to a guy who's just as likely to eat the quarterback as he is to sack him. Darius Robinson, not to be confused with Darius Rucker, out of Missouri. He's a big boy there. Big. 6'5". 296 pounds, guys. Think about this. We're talking about a guy like 240. He's almost got 50 pounds based on some of these smaller guys. That's crazy. Yeah. In 22, 13 games, 35 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks. 23, 12 games, 43 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, eight and a half sacks, one fumble recovered, one fourth fumble, 83.1 PFF grade. Again, against SEC talent. Pros and cons wise, huge size, obviously, and strong. He's not just, if you look at him on that video, he didn't look fat. I joke around about him wanting to eat the quarterback, but he's not fat. He's just a freaking brick house, this guy is. He's mighty, mighty. Just letting it all hang out. I mean, it's just like, he's just a stocky guy. Long arms, good against the run. The cons is kind of what we talked about with Braswell a minute ago there. He needs to add more pass rush moves. He's depended on his strength because he can in college. Once he goes to the pros, you can't depend on that anymore. You can't. There's a lot of other big guys in the NFL. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes he has a size advantage in college probably even when he's going against them. That's not going to happen very often in the NFL. You're going to go against guys that are 320, 340 at that point. I was about to say, right now he's legit like that old school saying. He's the big fish in the pond. Now he's going to go out to the ocean. He's got to go find Darius. He's mysterious. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, another guy, again, I think you need to develop a little more moves out of him. But you like what you see. And because he's so big and because I think he's – and that's the crazy thing. I saw him standing up a lot in Missouri as a 3-4 kind of edge rusher. But I think that the big thing for me is if you can't hypothetically get him to the point where he adds more moves, worst case scenario, he'll probably be a decent 4-3 defensive end for somebody at that point that'll stop the run, provide some pass rush, take on some blocks, do the kind of stuff you got to do from a 4-3 end. It depends on what you think his ceiling is at these spots there to see where you want to go and take him. If you have a 3-4, you have to put that into it. Do I think he's going to be able to fit in a 3-4 in the NFL? Is the speed and athleticism going to be an issue? Can he set the edge? Can he go ahead and guard some of these better tight ends and running backs if he's asked to? Because you're going to get asked to at some point at 3-4. Yes. So, I mean, I think a 4.3 is where he's at. Yeah. I mean, he's kind of like a, I don't even say shotgun, like he's like a missile coming at you, like just bulldozes you over. That speed and that quick movement. Yeah. It's not his forte. Okay. No, just not. It's just the downfall being big. So it is what it is. All right. Number four. We got a guy coming up now that a lot of people, I said this once with someone else here, but this is another one that people like a lot more than I do. And that's Chop Robinson out of Penn State. all right a chop is six foot three 250 all right a chop is six foot three 250 all right a chop is six foot three 250 pounds pounds pounds 21 years old and has the coolest 21 years old and has the coolest 21 years old and has the coolest name in the entire draft potentially name in the entire draft potentially name in the entire draft potentially obviously it's the nickname but nobody obviously it's the nickname but nobody obviously it's the nickname but nobody calls him by his actual name so calls him by his actual name so calls him by his actual name so I'm not even going to talk about it I'm not even going to talk about it I'm not even going to talk about it so so 22, 12 games, 26 tackles, 10 tackles for loss, 5.5 sacks, 2 passes deflected, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery. Last year, 10 games, 15 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 1 pass deflected, 1 fumble recovery, and 2 forced fumbles. A 90.8 PFF grade, by the way. Very good PFF grade. but he played in just 303 snaps this past season. That's why you see the numbers down like they are. The pros. Amazing first step, which he does have. He's probably the quickest guy on tape at getting the step right at that point. Very good bend, high motor. You saw that last play you saw there in the intro. He just kept on going. He missed the sack, but then jumped into the pile and happened to get the fumble recovery at that point. He's a smart player like that. Overly aggressive at times, though. Again, we go back to that play. He missed the sack at first because the quarterback moved just a little bit, and he was already set B-lining in one direction and couldn't change that direction. He's got that straight arrow point to where he wants to go, and you can't always do that in a pass rush. he's also overly focused in the pass rush to the point where he'll let running backs actually get by him sometimes because he's just so dead set focused on getting to the quarterback. That's a definite issue as well. That's what you do in the NFL. The coach is going to rip you new and rid of the goddamn sidelines. I'm sure that probably happened, knowing Franklin, when he was in college there as well. He's the guy that a lot of people like him because of the measurables. I'm pretty sure it happened in state. I'm sure it did. But a lot of people like him because of the measurables. A lot of people like him because of the athletic ability he has at that point. They see that potential. Now, sometimes you get those weird things, and I'll never understand it, okay, where you get these guys who have all the measurables, all the capabilities whatsoever according to what you see them do in practice and on the track and on the bench reps and all that kind of stuff. They're the cone drills, all that kind of fun stuff. But it never seems to work in the actual game. Some of those guys pan out. Some of them don't look at Walker, you know, the first round pick. So the first overall pick a couple of years ago, we were laughing when he was taken. He got 10 sacks last year. Basically, you know, did we did all of college in one year in the NFL. So, you know, sometimes it works out. So if you're that guy who thinks that you want to hire for, you know, been draft people because of that, you're going to like him, but he's going to go in the first round. And I have a lot of trouble taking a guy in hopes and dreams in the first round. My first round guy has to be an immediate playmaker. He has to be a guy who can go ahead and automatically make a difference. I'm not so short-chopped as that guy. I just don't see it. Again, not a bad player, but I think of him and I watch him and I think he's more of a late second round kind of talent. And I think someone's going to take him mid-first. And that's going to be way too early in my mind. I don't know if it goes that early, but yeah. I think just because it gets that rush on pass rushers, and there's really four of them that are going to go in that first round. And once you start getting close to those guys getting run up, someone's going to take them just to not miss out on getting a pass rusher. Desperation by Calvin Klein. Desperato. Say Nosferatu. Do you call him a vampire? Not a vampire. yeah I said desperado but yes you probably know serato yeah I said desperado but yes you probably know serato yeah I said desperado but yes you probably know serato oh why don't you come to your senses oh why don't you come to your senses oh why don't you come to your senses I don't want to let's get to number I don't want to let's get to number I don't want to let's get to number let's get to number three number three let's get to number three number three let's get to number three number three a little hangover connor he's already too drunk he's already too drunk he's already too drunk um jared verse out of florida state um jared verse out of florida state um jared verse out of florida state and and and this is going to be a fun guy to talk about this is going to be a fun guy to talk about So Jared Verse played the last two years over at Florida State. Prior to that, he played at the University of Alabama. University of Albany for the last two years. I looked up his stats at Albany out of curiosity because... They didn't even list them on the stat page that you should get these guys from. Whatever the pro football reference version of the college one, that's where you should get the stats from. And they didn't show anything but the first two years. And I looked more into it. I'm like, oh, hold on. I played at the University of Albany as well. Obviously a really tiny school, but hello, put the stats up. So I looked it up myself to see out of curiosity how much he dominated. He actually didn't even dominate that much. He kind of had similar numbers there to what he ended up doing in Florida State. Now keep in mind, it doesn't mean he didn't get better. He got better and did similar numbers at Florida State against a much tougher talent level than going against University of Albany players there. But like I said, I was just curious to see how much he had dominated there. Anyway, on the sizes there, 6'4", 260 pounds, 24 years old, so obviously a pretty good size there. In 22... 12 games, 48 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 9 sacks, and a fumble recovered. 23, 13 games, 41 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 9 sacks, 3 passes deflected, 1 fumble recovery, 1 forced fumble, and an 84.4 PFF grade. He's got a great first step. He's got great use of hands, very bendy. He's good against the run, and he's got good range. The downfalls to him, actually, and I think some of this is just coming from a small school and not getting the full four years with big school coaching there, he's bad in the open field. If hypothetically the Giants draft him and he has to go try to open field tackle Saquon, good job. Good luck with that. That's not going to work out very well. He's also bad at misreads. He doesn't always judge the plays correctly there at that point. Those are things that you can often teach, though. Even though he's a little bigger in size at 260 already, he's going to be probably best in a 3-4 system. And I think he's going to go top 15. I really do. Now, is he top 15 talent? No. He's probably back end of the first round talent. But there's not a lot of big-name heavy hitter edge rushers, and those guys, second to quarterbacks, probably go quicker than anybody else. People are always looking to go ahead and overreach for edge rushers because they want two things. Either have a quarterback or have someone who can get to the other quarterback. That's the two biggest wish list items for any NFL team always. My quarterback can't throw. neither can yours no one's getting through yeah but I mean again you look at this guy on tape and he's he's really good and he's still I think he's still improving I don't think he's maxed out I see you know I see him kind of improving as time went on even within this last season at that point so um I like seeing a guy that's still continuing to improve after playing again four years in college it's not like he was like one or two years and you know he's still young and raw he's 24 but he's still improving um he's an instant starter at the worst case he becomes an average starter in this league in my mind um but best case he continues to grow and becomes a stud so uh somebody's gonna take the chance like I said somebody take the chance that top half of that first round I think so good player at 16. That's 16. That's fine. 16 is top half. If I say top 15, he goes 16. I'm not that off. Stop. Yeah. He knew that. Number two. And this is where we got the guy that most people have number one. We're popping up number two, though. Dallas Turner out of Alabama. All righty. Dallas Turner, 6'4", 242 pounds, 21 years old. In 22, 13 games, 37 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 1 fumble recovered, which happened to get recovered for 6 points and a touchdown there. 23, 14 games, 53 tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks, 1 pass deflected, 2 forced fumbles, and an 81.6 PFF grade. Now, again, guys, we're talking about the top, top, top guys in this draft, 81.6. I'm not trying to disrespect that because that's an Alabama that's playing SEC talent, that's playing the top teams in pretty much most of college football. But an 81.6 to me is just too low for me to put as this is the top guy. And my biggest issue with him overall is I think he got a lot of overexposure because of where he plays. I really think that actually helps him in this case here. But he's still a great player. Don't get me wrong. I'm not disrespecting him. I think he's going to be a starter this league. I'm just not sure how high the ceiling is going to get there. But I think he'll be even above average starter. I just don't think he'll ever be that guy. He's not going to be the guy you build your team around, you build your defense around. Great bend, though. Fast, has also shown the ability to cover, and is good at sniffing out plays. He's got some trouble with some stronger tackles he's faced. Obviously, that'll get worse in the NFL, so he's got to go ahead and figure that out. He loses containment at times as well where people get outside the edge on him at that point because he doesn't have that top speed like some of the guys have. Best in a 3-4. Again, another guy would be top 15 at that point there. But he's going to probably be the first edge off taking off the board, I think, in my mind. But I think that'll be a mistake because of the guy we're about to talk about. Hmm. So let's go over the guy. And I think you'll probably know who he is if you know college football. You know the guy's coming up. But if you don't know, now you know. Leia 2, Lu 2. All righty, so played two years in UCLA, played two years prior to that in Washington. Interesting story about him going to UCLA. I'll get to that in a minute here. It's 6'5", 265 pounds, 23 years old, so he's got prototypical size there. At the end of 2020, he hurt his neck in what was believed to be a career-ending injury. Not supposed to play again. kept working out anyway kept trying to get better transferred to ucla and got cleared to play 22 13 games 26 tackles 12 and a half tackles for loss 10 and a half sacks one pass deflected one fumble recovery one uh three force fumbles this past year you went off went off 12 games, 49 tackles, 21.5 tackles for loss, guys. 21.5 tackles for loss. Let me just reiterate that in case you didn't hear that correctly. 13 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 passes deflected, 2 forced fumbles, and a 96.3 PFF score. My gosh. How is this man not being listed as the top? And I think it's the medical. It's got to be the neck concern. It's got to be. It's got to be. But he's been playing two years since then. I got to think that he's good to go. Or you know what? Maybe he is one hit away from his career being over. I don't know. I don't have his medical in front of me. I have no way of knowing that. But I have to imagine as he's cleared to play and play two years with no issues, that he's all good to go. But worst case scenario, I'll take the guy who's going to have a great career. Huh? Damn it, Joe. I'm not a doctor. I'm a podcaster. Someone need a doctor? But I mean, this is a guy that even if he has a short career, it's going to be a great career. I think he's going to be really good in this league. I really do. As far as the pros and cons, great range of pass rush moves. This is a guy that's got the swim. He's got the rip. He's got the spin. He's got all that starting off the bat there. He's got a plan before the play even begins. That's something you hear about kind of cliche, but not everyone does it. He's literally always in his head. You can tell the way he looks around. He's got that thought process going where he's going, okay. And he's talking about it where he goes, okay, well, in this play here, I went off, I went to my left. My plan was if he went to this direction, I'd do this. If he did this, he'd tell his plan that he had. This is all plotted out the way it's supposed to be. Quick to get started at the snap as well. Explosive, great use of hands. And again, good size. His cons, he does have weak legs. If somebody's on him and he's trying to push back a little bit there... He needs a little more sled time. That's the one thing I'll say is a little off on him there. He's also a little too quick to move at times as well. Maybe this is part of the downfall of having a plan. He wants to go right into that plan, and sometimes the play progresses in a way that doesn't help with that plan. He's also rarely asked to do man coverage. So, again, I'm not putting a knock on him. He just didn't do it in college, so we don't know how well he is at it because he's going to be a 3-4 kind of guy. he's going to be a guy that's going to be asked to do a man potentially at some point that means and we have no clue how good he is at it because we just didn't see it a regular basis but he wasn't bad at zone like I said two two interceptions even a couple passes deflected this past year ucla there I mean that's that's a good year this is a strong player guys this is a guy that this is a game changer on your defense potentially if he if he can be healthy And he'll go probably late in round one. I don't think he's going to go with the top guys. I think you'll see Dallas Turner, Gerard Verse, and even potentially Chop Robinson all go before him. They'll probably be the fourth edge off the board, I think. Chopty chop. Number one, numero uno, the big cheese. So, again, a lot of good pass rush. You notice there was a lot of what it was. We had pass rusher specialists, pass rusher specialists, pass rusher specialists. If you need a pass rush, this is the year. So, you know, if you need a guy who's just an all-around great player already, probably not the year for you. Probably not the year, unless you're picking a guy in the first round. Hence why the Giants made the trade for Spider. Besides the fact that he's a really good player. They knew the limited options they were going to have. They knew they had to go out and get a second edge guy if they wanted him. And that's what they did. All right, let's get into it. We got a little bit of Giants news here. Then we'll go over any last comments here. And then we'll go ahead and call it a night here. Let's get into it. It's time for the news. Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. all righty so the giants signed today jordan phillips uh defensive tackle slash defensive line from guess where oh buffalo who would have thought we'd get another buffalo oh I'm in shock that's for sure um 31 years old originally drafted by the miami dolphins uh back in 2015 at oklahoma He's been on and off kind of player. He gets good years. He has bad years. He has good years. He has bad years. Last year, he had a 35.8 PFF grade, guys. That is the second lowest among qualifying defensive tackles in the NFL. So, yeah, they certainly did not like his tape. Yeah, so I'm not holding out much hope for this guy. I haven't heard any financials being talked about whatsoever. which usually tells me it's a very low pick. I'm kind of shocked, to be honest, because I know they've been talking about this guy for a while. I'm kind of shocked they did this before the draft because this is now two guys they've signed before the draft, and I'm really hoping they do not screw up our fourth-round comp pick that we were slated to get before they went ahead and got Dante Miller and now Jordan Phillips. If this screws it up, I'm going to be pissed as all hell because Jordan Phillips is not some amazing player we couldn't have gotten at any point during the offseason. Based on how he played last year, we could have gotten anybody off the streets probably to play just as good. I was able. Yeah, seriously. Pay me. Pay me. But again, he's had some good years. It's not like it's a guy who comes out of nowhere and you're like, whoa, why is this guy even still in the league? He's had some good years. He had one good year's first run with Buffalo, and that's actually what got him a big contract. And I want to say Arizona. And that didn't pan out for him, basically. He just didn't live up to that contract. But he's had some good years. So, yeah, it was nine and a half sacks he had back in 2019. So that's when he went off to Arizona for a couple years after that there. For his career, he's got 24 sacks in 10 years. So that just tells you what kind of record year for him that 9.5 sack performance was he had there in Buffalo. But again, veteran body. Assume he's going to be a veteran minimum. You bring him in. You see what you got. You hope for the best. And if you don't like it, you just cut him. So, but yeah, I think that's what's going to happen there. And then we got one giant rumor to talk about, and it does involve Buffalo as well. This is the Julio Jones one I was talking about there. And for those of y'all in the comments section, that was not about getting Josh Allen. I won't even validate those ones. That's the dumbest things ever when I hear that stuff. Listen, don't get me wrong. If Joe Shane wants to call up Buffalo and see if Josh Allen's available, I will not be pissed at all. That's a smart move. You should do that. But he's not leaving. He's not going anywhere. No. And I'm pretty sure this rumor started, what, April 1st? Maybe starting like the last couple of years. I feel like ever since we got Joe Shane and Brian D'Abel. Plus, Josh Allen would be worth way too much for us. It's not just that. It would kill the Bills because not only would they be horrible, but they can't afford the dead cap they take. Here's what the rumor is, though. the athletic is the one who started this and they didn't say they had any insight knowledge to where they started this they're just starting random conversations basically because it's it's a little bit of a slow season right now waiting for this actual draft itself to start up there and their idea they threw out there was the giants trading their first overall pick there I said that first round pick that just picked six there to the bills so the bills can go ahead and get an elite receiver to replace stefan digs with and they're calling it the Julio Jones trade package. Because to do that, you'd have to give up a ton of picks and do basically what the Falcons did all those years ago when they traded for Julio Jones. They gave up a ton to do it. So in their... mock trade, I guess, for lack of a better term. The Bills got number six, and they got our seventh round pick next year. The Giants get pick number 28, number 60, number 128, and they also get next year's first round pick. So we're going back 22 spaces, but we're picking up a second. We're picking up a fourth, and we're getting a first-round pick next year. That'll obviously be a late-round first-round pick, you figure, if you make that trade. Yeah. I can kind of see some pros and cons to that. I can. it all depends on what they think of the players that are available at six. If you think Malik Neighbors, Marvin Harrison Jr., Roma Dunze, whoever the hell is available, is a game-changing, number one, true wide receiver, I just don't see how you pass that up. I just don't. I mean, the Giants have not, for their entire team history, had a bunch of great wide receivers. They really haven't. Let's be honest. You know, we talk about Imani Toomer, who, you know, was a great long career, but was never a star in the NFL. He spent forever with the Giants. OBJ, yeah, but that was a nice, what, four or five-year run. That was a quick run. You know, you got Plexiglas Burris, again, quick run. You know, it wasn't like we have great history of wide receivers. To me, if you get the chance to take him, take him. Because I don't think this is enough. What are you doing with these extra picks at that point? You're not getting a stud. You're not getting a game changer. Unless you think that 28 gets you the quarterback you want. which I don't know if, depending on who they want, anybody's going to be available besides Bo Nix, 28. And then you got two seconds. I guess that helps you out from going forward at that point, but I just don't see it. I don't see it being enough to give up who I think is going to be a stud because I think all three of those receivers are going to be a stud. I really do. So, yeah, I wouldn't make it personally at that point there. But I listen to offers. Always listen to offers. Give you a pick six for Josh Allen. You can have that number one receiver you need. I don't know what to throw it to him now. Suckers. Suckers. All righty, guys. That calls it a night here for us there. I have to reread a couple of comments here. Let's see what we got because I know we got a couple of new people chimed in here besides Connor with his drunkenness here. Connor says, sorry, I read too much in this game. Had money in the game. I won. I could buy another Cabo Wobble or maybe I'll just buy Mizzell with the worm at the bottom because I used to watch Urban Cowboy a lot. I don't think they actually do that. Yeah. I don't think they actually do that in Mexico. What, the worm? Yeah. They do the worm in Mexico. Do they actually do the worm? I drank the worm in Mexico. I did it on a jiu-jitsu trip, even better. I've never been to Mexico. I'm going next month. It was in a bottle of Don Julio, nonetheless. I got five more weeks guys. So I'm, I'm going for a week and Rob's either by himself. We're gonna have to get some guest hosts. So any of the content creators that are watching, if you want to be a guest host for a day or two or all for a week, you and who knows, go for it. Talk, you know, message us on one of the social media pages and we'll, we'll talk to you. Uh, let's see here. Uh, Connor says, Wes Hightower, our worm at the bottom of the bottle. I feel like that's a quote from the movies talking about Urban Cowboy. Maybe I just haven't watched that movie. Connor says, funny thing about OJ. He was in a movie called Towering Inferno. Now he's burning in hell. Oh, my God. Anyway, Dark Angel. I can't tell what that is. Sorry. I was trying to look at it for one show. Is it a cat? it's got the on symbol at the end it's got the on symbol at the end I don't it's got the on symbol at the end it's got the on symbol at the end I don't it's got the on symbol at the end it's got the on symbol at the end it's got the on symbol at the end it's got the on symbol at the end I don't know I don't know I don't know um yeah sorry gifts and picks um yeah sorry gifts and picks um yeah sorry gifts and picks don't come up the best necessarily on the don't come up the best necessarily on the don't come up the best necessarily on the screen there screen there screen there um connor says you're once twice three um connor says you're once twice three um connor says you're once twice three times a lady times a lady times a lady and I love you and I love you and I love you oh thanks oh thanks oh thanks we'll freak that now uh y'all says we'll freak that now uh y'all says we'll freak that now uh y'all Can't say you love us and then just talk about how small it is, okay? Connor says, so rock me, Mambo. Here we go. He's a notorious rucker now. Should have done that now. Connor says, when's Josh Allen going to be our QB since we keep getting Buffalo players? LOL. And Deb says, those rumors are all over the internet, Connor. Yeah, they are. He goes back, hey, Deb, yeah, I started them, LOL. He said, I think one year Tom Brady would be cheaper. It would be, but Tom Brady's done. He is. Connor says, can't beat him. Join him. And then he says, depending on how they view Panic's junior injuries, he could slip 28. He could. He could. I mean, I guess, like I said, it'd be nice to have the extra picks. I just hate to go that far back and not get an elite guy. I really do. He says, no, I get him here at the liquor store. Worm is on the bottom. Okay. And then we got Ray Kennedy in the house. Host the Cup of Ray on the sports web there. What's up, man? What's up, Ray? Half of the legions. Connor says not twice, twice the player. Oh, okay. I got you. Cause of Brandon tries. Yeah. Um, yeah I get it I get it I get it all right guys we'll be back again like I said monday monday monday I did adjust also our um our schedules since I realized that I would meet a boo-boo when I scheduled everything like one o'clock in the morning this is why you can't do things that early um so next week we're starting off with corners Then we're off on – that's Monday it's going to be. Going off to the Wednesday contest will be our defensive tackles, defensive line. And then our next one, the Thursday episode of that week, will be the third-tier quarterbacks. Again, these are the mid-tier, mid-round kind of guys. These are the guys who will be like – Again, like the Spencer Rattlers, the Michael Prats, you know, the guys who were going to be third, fourth round kind of guys here at that point. There's a couple of good ones there and intriguing ones there, guys. And I wouldn't be shocked if we don't get one of the top six that we don't go out and get one of these guys at least. And then from there, the following week, I think we're going to change some things up. I haven't talked to Rob about this. This is all new to him. So we'll be able to talk to confirm. But I'm thinking Monday. We'll do our final mock draft. I said Monday and Tuesday was our final mock draft. So Monday we'll do a full first round. Tuesday we'll do a last Giants one. Take Wednesday off so we can rest a little before the big day because once the draft starts, guys, Rob and I have no life. We're all in. Live for you guys. All day Thursday, all day Friday, whenever the commissioner or somebody's going to a podium, we're going to be there. And then, of course, Saturday as well. We'll have a special Saturday edition also once the draft is over. We will not do that live because... Yeah, that's just too much there. We're not going to go over the running back who will probably rush the ball twice in his entire NFL career. We'll just wait until that one's done, then I'll let you guys know it. As Connor says, is Radley worth it? You're going to find out next week, Connor. You got to wait until then. um so like I said we got a lot of shows coming up for you guys are already scheduled ready to go so the best way really like I said it's youtube that's the easiest way to find everything there so go there hit the subscribe hit the bell but wherever you like hit the bell hit the subscribe button please and share with some friends but if you go onto youtube you can do the notify you option for upcoming live stuff why I put everything up so early so you can get the notification that we're going on um again we're going to be going on to the um On to the final of the position shows there to give you guys updates on the draft there. If you missed any of the shows, they're all up there for you to watch there. Or if you want to hear about specific players, we have a full playlist of draft profiles, breaking it down player by players. That way it's short, like four to six minute episodes there, little mini episodes of each of the players there. As always, we are live on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter slash Twitch, whatever. Twitter slash X. I need some more coffee today. Twitch, Instagram, and of course, Rob's favorite. Drew's LinkedIn page. Oh, yes, my LinkedIn profile. And, of course, we're up the next day, 5 o'clock in the morning, typically. We'll have it up for all the audio podcasts, so Apple, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Amazon, Google Podcasts, all the fun ones there. And then we'll be, like I said, back up here for you guys Monday. Enjoy the weekend. Have a happy and safe weekend here. Don't do anything we wouldn't do, especially you, Connor. Keep staying out of trouble. Oh, yeah. No more worms. Stop sending the edge. Only worms you do should be on the dance floor. 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