2 Giant Goofballs: A NY Giants Podcast

Meet The Best Linebackers Of The 2024 NFL Draft!

April 11, 2024
Meet The Best Linebackers Of The 2024 NFL Draft!
2 Giant Goofballs: A NY Giants Podcast
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2 Giant Goofballs: A NY Giants Podcast
Meet The Best Linebackers Of The 2024 NFL Draft!
Apr 11, 2024

In this episode, we dive into the dynamic world of linebacker prospects, examining their strengths, weaknesses, and potential draft positions.

First up is Payton Wilson from NC State, a standout linebacker boasting impressive statistics, including 138 tackles and 17.5 tackles for loss in the 2023 season. Despite concerns about his injury history, Wilson's speed, agility, and proficiency as a blitzer position him as a solid second-round pick.

Next, we analyze the talents of Edgerrin Cooper from Texas A&M, who has showcased his prowess as a pass rusher with 8 sacks in the 2023 season. While his inexperience in coverage and smaller stature are areas for improvement, Cooper's agility and aggressive playstyle make him a promising prospect in the second to third round range.

Jeremiah Trotter Jr. from Clemson emerges as another intriguing linebacker prospect, excelling in zone coverage and displaying a high football IQ. Despite some struggles with shedding blocks and occasional overruns, Trotter's downfield speed and knack for creating turnovers position him as a potential third to fourth-round selection.

Cedric Gray from North Carolina demonstrates exceptional instincts and acceleration, making him a formidable force in pursuit. Gray's versatility and playmaking ability make him a compelling option in the third to fourth round range.

Junior Colson from Michigan showcases his strength in shedding blocks and proficiency in zone coverage, though he occasionally takes suboptimal angles. 

JD Bertrand from Notre Dame earns praise for his leadership and football IQ, though he lacks elite athleticism and struggles in open-field tackling.

Tyrice Knight from UTEP stands out as a run stopper with burst and playmaking ability, though he needs to refine his technique and add strength. 

Lastly, we explore the profiles of Nathaniel Watson from Mississippi State and Marist Liufau from Notre Dame, along with Jackson Sirmon from California. 

In the latest Giants updates, Mel Kiper's mock draft predicts a strategic move, suggesting the team's interest in Malik Nabors before potentially trading up to secure Bo Nix at pick #33. Pat Leornard's inside scoop reinforces the buzz around Drake Maye as a potential target for the Giants, adding depth to the ongoing quarterback discussions. Meanwhile, rumors swirl about the Giants unveiling a new alternate helmet design for the upcoming season, heightening anticipation among fans. Darren Waller's latest comments regarding his future plans offer insight, hinting at a timeline for his decision before the summer break. Additionally, details emerge about Isaiah Simmons' contract, confirming his return on a one-year deal worth $2 million. In other news, the retirement of former Giants safety Logan Ryan marks a transition in the team's roster. On the offensive front, the Giants secure WR Myles Boykin, a former third-round pick known for his tenure with the Ravens, adding depth to their receiving corps. Shifting gears to broader NFL news, attention turns to the Chicago Bears' jersey number changes and an arrest warrant issued for Chiefs WR Rashee Rice, while Josh Allen secures a lucrative five-year, $150 million contract, solidifying his future with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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In this episode, we dive into the dynamic world of linebacker prospects, examining their strengths, weaknesses, and potential draft positions.

First up is Payton Wilson from NC State, a standout linebacker boasting impressive statistics, including 138 tackles and 17.5 tackles for loss in the 2023 season. Despite concerns about his injury history, Wilson's speed, agility, and proficiency as a blitzer position him as a solid second-round pick.

Next, we analyze the talents of Edgerrin Cooper from Texas A&M, who has showcased his prowess as a pass rusher with 8 sacks in the 2023 season. While his inexperience in coverage and smaller stature are areas for improvement, Cooper's agility and aggressive playstyle make him a promising prospect in the second to third round range.

Jeremiah Trotter Jr. from Clemson emerges as another intriguing linebacker prospect, excelling in zone coverage and displaying a high football IQ. Despite some struggles with shedding blocks and occasional overruns, Trotter's downfield speed and knack for creating turnovers position him as a potential third to fourth-round selection.

Cedric Gray from North Carolina demonstrates exceptional instincts and acceleration, making him a formidable force in pursuit. Gray's versatility and playmaking ability make him a compelling option in the third to fourth round range.

Junior Colson from Michigan showcases his strength in shedding blocks and proficiency in zone coverage, though he occasionally takes suboptimal angles. 

JD Bertrand from Notre Dame earns praise for his leadership and football IQ, though he lacks elite athleticism and struggles in open-field tackling.

Tyrice Knight from UTEP stands out as a run stopper with burst and playmaking ability, though he needs to refine his technique and add strength. 

Lastly, we explore the profiles of Nathaniel Watson from Mississippi State and Marist Liufau from Notre Dame, along with Jackson Sirmon from California. 

In the latest Giants updates, Mel Kiper's mock draft predicts a strategic move, suggesting the team's interest in Malik Nabors before potentially trading up to secure Bo Nix at pick #33. Pat Leornard's inside scoop reinforces the buzz around Drake Maye as a potential target for the Giants, adding depth to the ongoing quarterback discussions. Meanwhile, rumors swirl about the Giants unveiling a new alternate helmet design for the upcoming season, heightening anticipation among fans. Darren Waller's latest comments regarding his future plans offer insight, hinting at a timeline for his decision before the summer break. Additionally, details emerge about Isaiah Simmons' contract, confirming his return on a one-year deal worth $2 million. In other news, the retirement of former Giants safety Logan Ryan marks a transition in the team's roster. On the offensive front, the Giants secure WR Myles Boykin, a former third-round pick known for his tenure with the Ravens, adding depth to their receiving corps. Shifting gears to broader NFL news, attention turns to the Chicago Bears' jersey number changes and an arrest warrant issued for Chiefs WR Rashee Rice, while Josh Allen secures a lucrative five-year, $150 million contract, solidifying his future with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Welcome to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. Are you a goofball that loves giant football? If so, sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much. And now, here are your goofball hosts, Drew and Rob. Welcome fellow Goopballs to Two Giant Goopballs, New York Giants podcast. I am Drew, joined as always by... And me! Oh, Rob! Let's get the show on the road, because my face is fixed. Yes, your face is fixed. It wasn't your face. Your face broke your camera. That's what happened. It was a very, very sad day for the camera. I said, I'm not this again. I can't take one more day of looking at this face. Something knows I had it over. It's the schnoz. the schnoz and irish head combo the schnoz and irish head combo the schnoz and irish head combo look like a bob blade pinocchio look like a bob blade pinocchio look like a bob blade pinocchio I had a girl into this noggin Alrighty, well let's get into growing into the linebacker position here because that's what we got here today as we continue our roundup here of all these different positions. For those of you looking to schedule out and see what's available, by the way, we have officially scheduled every single episode we have planned leading into the first two nights of the draft. They're scheduled. They're ready to go up. You can hit the notify button on Facebook, YouTube, whatever the case may be that you like using. And it'll just give you a heads up. We're coming on there. YouTube is pretty much the best with that one there. So if you're like me and you're a goldfish and you forget things all the time, because I freely admit I do it all the time. That's the best way. Oh, do I learn? I come home, the very first thing I do is put the keys on the hook by the door. That's the only way I can prevent myself from losing them. But every so often I will be tired and forget to do it. And oh my God, that's a bad morning. I do the same thing with my phone every night and my wallet and my watches all go into the same place. Little watch index F. Anyway, we're going to talk about the linebackers. We've got 10 linebackers to talk about because this is another group, to be very frank with you guys, is not a very deep one. There's a couple top-heavy guys here. There's some really good prospects here. It's not a nothing position here. But there's not 20, 30 guys in this draft coming out. They're like, oh, these are great linebackers. Now I should also clarify, we say linebackers. Again, this is a Giants program. So no disrespect to anybody playing outside linebacker in a 4-3 defense there. But that's not who the Giants would be drafting. So we're not talking about those guys. We're talking about the Mike linebackers, the middle linebackers, the 3-4, the guys that the Giants might be interested in drafting. Now, some of these guys may cross over and potentially work as an outside as well, but I'm specifically talking, here's guys who could play inside linebacker for the Giants, basically. Pretty much, yeah. So, like I said, just to clarify, because I'm waiting for somebody to go, oh, there's this one guy from Miami who plays weak side linebacker. We're not talking about those guys, guys. We're not. Yeah, they're not a prospect for us. Exactly, exactly. And as much as I love other fans about the teams coming on and watching our program to learn about players in the draft, unfortunately, this one here for you guys, we're scheming it to the Giants specifically because there's only certain players that fit in our defense, and that's where we're at there. Correctamundo. On top of that, we got some Giants news to go over. We got a new player we signed. We got some more draft rumors. Drew will not talk about it for 25 minutes this time. The new player is not nearly as interesting. To be honest, he's a scrub. We'll probably look at him again at a training camp. We'll get to that later. I'm just saying. It's not like Turbo Miller at that point where that guy was an amazing story. That guy should be a lifetime movie. I'm sure he's going to be the next blindside. That's what I said in the last episode. See? Except his story will be real. Yeah. And we'll have some NFL news for you guys as well. So, like I said, plenty of information. Let's jump right into it here. We got the linebacker action here. Let's start off with number 10. 10, 10, 10. Jackson Sermon. Yeah, very short one. There's not a lot of information. We had videos on this guy here. I mean, he's been playing for some years there, and he's been a solid linebacker, but he is number 10. He's not number one. Jackson Sermon playing for California the last two seasons here. Before that, played in Washington here, so he likes to play the West Coast there. Six foot two, 240 pounds, 23 years old. Well, 2022, he's 12 games, 104 tackles, six tackles for loss, three and a half sacks, one interception, four passes deflected and a forced fumble. Now this past season, he had a biceps injury in October. So that's severely shortened his season. Also severely shortened probably his draft stock to a good degree as well there. You know, you want to see a better year the last year. It's hard to see a better year when you play half the games. Yeah, because you're injured. Yeah. Plus, you always want people to be healthy coming into the draft. Again, this is an October injury. You hope he's healthy by now. I'm not a doctor, dammit. Dammit, Dram. I'm not a doctor. but typically like oh dr zeus anybody who knows the simpsons reference I just made by the way you are cool just saying plus you're probably old like us that's what everybody wants I still think they should make planet of the apes the musical it'll be spectacular I'd enjoy it um That's actually really funny you say that because War of the Planet of the Apes was on HBO or one of the channels. Well, the new one's coming out. The new one's coming out. I know. It was on the movie channel as I was doing some work before the podcast. They don't break out a song that's not as cool. Anyway, this season here, six games, 49 tackles, three sacks, sorry, three tackles for loss, one sack, two passes deflected, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery. So similar production. You could say potentially a downtick there, but to be very frank with you, the one thing I didn't look up is when exactly did he get hurt in that game because it was in the first quarter. Let's be honest. It's really five games. Yeah, that's part of that equation when you're talking about trying to just double the math and go, okay, well, this is close to last year's production. But again, he's number 10, guys. He's a guy who's got some good, he's got some bad there, but he's definitely got that bad. As I see you laughing and I see any comments, I'm guessing Connor's there. Oh, it's John. It's John. What's up, John? What's up, John? Anyway, so Jack's in there as far as the pros. High effort. Sheds blockers well. Good against the run. Very aggressive. The cons. Probably peaks at a backup slash special teamer there. And he's just... We talked about this before. When there's guys who go into categories of try really hard and just naturally gifted, he's the try really hard guy. He's not elite in speed. He's not elite in strength. There's nothing he does exceptional. He just doesn't do anything horrendous. Are you taking pictures of yourself there? You stopped taking dick pics during the show. God damn it. I told you about this before. You don't have to go that far back. You want to zoom in to make it look bigger. That's it. I was trying to zoom in. Anyway, Jackson Zerman is one of these guys that if you're looking for somebody who's like a special teamer, a backup kind of guy who can kind of pop in and is not going to embarrass himself there, that's where he's going to be. If you're drafting someone to be a starter, you're probably drafting the wrong guy in this case. It's just where he's going to peak out. And that's why he'll be a day three pick. but it's an interesting one for the Giants because guess what they're really looking for? A backup and a special team. That's what they're looking for. And I think linebacker is one of those positions that we don't talk about enough as Giant fans. We lost a good amount of the backups we have. We talked about that in the last episode as we kind of led into this one here, but You know, we got, obviously, Okereke. We got McFadden. We got, you know, Davis coming back from injury. Who knows what he is? Carter Coughlin, who plays special teams and gets confused if you put him on defense because he thinks someone's about to kick the ball. I mean, it's just like, that's what we have. So, yeah, I mean, a real backup who's not coming off an injury wouldn't be the worst thing. Jackson may fit that bill. Next up. Coming in next. Number nine. Number nine. Mariste Leufo. I always want to pronounce his name wrong. I always try to pronounce it right. Someone corrected us on one of them, by the way, because apparently I mispronounced someone's name. It was a tackle. I hate doing that. Mariste Leufo. All righty. Another one with not much video there, except his long, glimmering hair at that point, like Troy Palomaro, like in Head & Shoulders. He's definitely going to be some Head & Shoulder ads later. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I saw that video. I was like, Troy Palomaro. There it is. There it is. Anyway, out of Notre Dame, 6'2", 239 pounds, 23 years old. And he's a guy that you – if you want to pick a guy late in the draft for potential – this is your guy because he never had to be the number one linebacker there. He never had to be, you know, the star of the show, so to speak. And some people thought that kind of held him back a little bit there because you got to keep in mind, sometimes you go, okay, well, he never shined. sometimes based on the scheme, you don't get the chance to shut. You got somebody who's just a little bit better than you, who's one of the best linebackers in this draft. Sometimes you kind of get overshadowed a little bit there. In 22-13 game, 51 tackles, four and a half tackles for loss, half a sack, one interception, one pass deflected, and one fumble recovery. This past year, 12 games, 44 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 2 passes deflected, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery. Ended up with a PFF score this year of 74.3. Now we have another feature to this one that we haven't talked about too much here. I want to talk about where they lined up as well because there's a lot of different linebacker type of positions. There's a lot of different ways linebackers can be used here. We talked about this on some of the previous episodes and not on others, but where they lined up matters in this thing. Same as we talked about with the safeties. So he was at the line 148 snaps at the slot, 19 snaps in the corner position there six times, in the box 421 and deep once. So they basically kept him back a little bit, like a linebacker that you put in coverage. And they put him at the line occasionally. That was his two basically positions that he would put him at. And... You go to his pros, and it's obvious to see why he got put in a box situation. He's great in coverage. If you need a guy that you could put in third down, basically, to cover a linebacker, running back, that kind of thing, this is your guy. He's got a very high football IQ as well. He's a good blitzer, even though he's kind of got limited time frame in that. Like I said, that's kind of what they held him to a very distant second as far as what they did with him as far as that. But he showed some glimpses in that time he got. As far as cons, he's not an elite athlete, and he's not great against the run. He is specifically a guy that you put into coverage. Could he get better with time? Again, he never got forced into that. They kept putting him in that coverage spot. So sometimes you do that because you know the guy can't do the other things. Sometimes you do that because he's really good at one thing, and unfortunately the rest of his game kind of suffers and never quite grows like it should. I don't know which one. I don't pretend to. I was about to say, once you get put into that position, because you shine at one thing, and you don't have the chance to grow somewhere else, it doesn't mean you can't grow. It just means that you were utilized to your strength, and you were never able to develop any other part of your game. Not to say your weakness, just other parts of your game. We excel talking about the Giants. We've never gotten a chance to talk about the 31 teams on a regular basis. There's only so much hours in the day, people. Yeah. I mean, I could talk trash on the Raiders, usually. The Raiders. The Raiders. Close to with the best of them. But I think those days are coming to an end. But that's besides the point. I digress. Anyway, again, day three kind of guy that you're going to put in as a passing down situation running back. I say a linebacker, sorry. That you're going to go ahead and have cover, like I said, running backs, tight ends, those kind of guys there. And probably do a very good job of that. And you're going to hope to develop him into becoming a better, well-rounded linebacker that can eventually mold into a starter. But if he doesn't, at least you know he has a role in something he can do very well. There's nothing wrong with that. There's plenty of people that do one thing very well in this league and do it for many, many years. Like punters and kickers. They kick very well. Well, I mean, that's kind of the title. I was waiting to go, wait a minute. They're long snappers. They snap it very long. I was going to say long. They're not good short snappers. Yeah, but I understand. There's plenty of people that that's what they do. They have a specialty. They do it well, and there's a need for it in the NFL so they get used for that specialty. There's nothing wrong with that. Plenty of people carve out a very good career with that. All righty. Number eight. Eight is great. Nathaniel Watson. Here we go. Nathaniel Watson, not to be confused with Ronda Watson. Ronda Watson. Ronda! Watson's out of Mississippi State, 6'2", 245 pounds, 23 years old at that point. So he spent six years at school overall. Only played in three games the first two years. So, yeah, it wasn't as much experience you get as the average person who plays six years in the college there. Gets the COVID year, obviously, got the redshirt year, so he got his extra two years that way. Played not just inside, but for those who are interested, perhaps, in an outside linebacker, he did play outside linebacker as well in college. In 22-13 games, 113 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, six sacks, one interception, one pass deflected, one forced fumble. In 23... 12 games, 137 tackles, 13 games. I'm sorry, 13 games. 13 tackles for loss. 10 sacks, 1 interception, 2 passes deflected, 2 forced fumbles, and a 72.4 PFF grade overall. That's some production. And that's some production in the SEC, guys. That's something that always impresses me. Let's look as far as the snaps total there, where you got put there. So at the line, 34 times. In the slot position, 52 times. In the corner, twice. No one puts Nathaniel Watson in the corner, just like baby. Box, 652. So it's safe to say he lived at that box. He lived in that box. He's a playmaker. He's got great length. He's a great blitzer. As we said, 16 sacks in the last two years in the linebacker position. There's edge rushers that don't hit that in college, let alone linebackers that don't even go to the line very often, as we just said. He went 34 times to the line, got 10 sacks. Obviously, he blitzed from the box, but I'm just saying, imagine what you can do if you put a guy like that against the quarterback a lot more often. This almost seems to me like the – again, I'm not going to make the comparison and say he's going to be this guy. Like the Wish version of Micah Parsons where they kind of – you're playing him at linebacker. He's a linebacker. He's a linebacker. Oh, wait a minute. He actually is pretty good at edge. I wonder when I see a player and I watch the film on this guy, I'm like, why did he not get tried on the edge rusher? Like, boy, Blake – you weren't even trying to just go after the quarterback and that's it. And he got 16 sacks in two years. If I'm Mississippi State, I'm like, pin your ears back, get the goddamn quarterback. Yeah, especially because he's not a small interior linebacker. He's 245. Yeah. He's got some mass to him. Yeah. Now, he does have some issues, though, that you would expect from people that are smaller than he. So he's got trouble getting off blocks. He doesn't have the best range. Again, you think six foot two, he's got to have some decent length of size at that point where he's got good stride and can cover some area. He doesn't do it well. T-Rex. like a t-rex leg wise um not that our short arm short legs um and he also doesn't change direction very well so if he's got to make a stunt move or something like that from a from a rushing position or if he's got to go ahead and shift his hips at that point because whoever he's covering shifted he's not that good at that But again, he's that guy who still shows up on tape at that point. And like I said, I think you're going to see him pop up as somebody that somebody uses as a situational pass rusher to start in this league. And again, try to see if they can develop him into a full-time linebacker. And like I said, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see someone try to convert him to edge. I really would not be. I'll say this. I've never seen anybody but me suggest that. It's not to say others don't. Maybe I'm talking out of my tookus here. Who knows? You could be. You're pretty good at that. It's a derriere. And the hot dog flavored water. Keep rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling. What? Behind blue eyes of Even though they gave me the comeback, Fred, they're rocking just the white hair now. Yeah, he is. I think he got rid of the full beard instead of just that douchey soul patch. No, he got rid of the beard now, I think. I think he's back to the usual way he dressed. I think it was a way of letting people know, yes, I'm gray now, deal. I'm old. Oh, yeah. Is he still rocking the red hat? I'm in my early 40s. I figured he's probably got to be in his mid to late 40s, if that means. Because he was popular towards the end of my high school age. Yeah. I mean, Three Dollars for a Girl came out in 98, 99. That was 97, I want to say. Which, by the way, spectacular. Spectacular album. for the time breaking the darkness around your misfit you speak of opinions you think it's so deep but you're just an illusion confused oh yes I won't see the whole thing youtube youtube will get me for copyright infringement yeah well one of the pepsi won't pepsi was it anyway yeah far from suicidal still get tendencies bringing back the memories I remember the whole album I still do it's a good album but I guess it would be nice if I could Anyway, enough limp biscuit talk. We're here to talk about linebackers here. Anyway, that's what I think. I think you'll see that. I think you'll see someone, like I said, use him as a situational pass rusher, type of development, more of a full-time player. Or, like I said, go that Micah Parsons route and say, you're not a linebacker, dude. Look at how you hit the quarterback. You're an edge rusher. But if he's going to be a full-time edge rusher or a situational pass rusher, for him to see a lot of time in the field, he's going to have to figure out how to get off those blocks. He's got to work on those guys. He's got to work on his range. He needs to watch Rocky III. Adrian. Rocky can do it. I'm afraid, Adrian. uh like I said interesting pick though especially because he said like you see he put up you know some good numbers against a very very tough you know part of college football it's not like he was playing at some small nothing school and put up that kind of stuff um speaking of people from small nothing schools yeah you have tyrese knight Oh, yes. That was a bad segue for him. Speaking of people from small nothing schools, let's be honest. UTEP is never going to be the crazy school that gets all these great players every single year. But every so often, they get a hidden gem here. And that's what you got here. Tyrese Knight, 6'2", 235 pounds. He's one of those guys that no age is given, by the way. It's funny. Even on PFF and all, they just cancel it out like it didn't exist. So he started college in 2018. So you got to figure he's probably around 24 years old. He's probably one of those older players there. 22, 12 games, 95 tackles, six and a half tackles for loss, one sack, one interception, five passes deflected, one forced fumble, which actually, I said one fumble recovered, I should say, which actually was a touchdown, and two fumbles forced as well there. In 23, 12 games, 140 tackles. 15 and a half tackles for loss. That's impressive. Think about that. 140 tackles, which is a ton, by the way. If you don't know that, you can't do the math on that. That's a lot. That's a lot. In 12 games, that's a lot. 15 and a half tackles for loss. That's more than 10% of his tackles were for a loss. That's pretty goddamn impressive. Then you throw in four and a half sacks. Yeah, seven passes deflected. That's also a very high number. Two forced fumble, one fumble recovery. Great run stopper, good burst, playmaker, good tackler. You see the pictures at the beginning where he introduced him there. Every single picture of him was just slamming someone to the ground. This guy is not afraid of the violence of the game, and I mean that in a positive way. Now, I will say I cannot get a PFF grade on him because PFF did not grade him because of what tiny school he went to. So, you know, I can watch the tape. What I saw and what I saw was a guy that excelled. but I got to wonder how much that excelling was because of where he was playing UTEP. It's not exactly like the, you know, the, they play the Alabama's and the Georgia's or even the Washington's and the UCLA's and that kind of stuff of the league. You know, they were playing other small schools teams. You want him to beat the hell out of, but again, he beat the hell out of them. I was about to say he beat the hell out of them. He showed the grit you need to have it, to make it a sport like this at a high level. So like, You're going to have to go out there and you're going to have to work on him. He's going to need to work on his technique. He's going to need to work on his strength. You're going to have to do some work. But at the end of the day, that aggression he has, that knowledge of how to, lack of better terms, put someone on their ass, that's something you can't teach everyone. Yeah. Yeah. You can't teach everyone that. No, no. With a little bit of footwork, a little bit of technique work. Yeah, he's got to improve his technique. That's one thing. And I think that's partially because of the fact that, again, when you go to a smaller school, not to be disrespectful, but you don't get the same level of coaching as when you go to a big school. You don't. That's part of it as well. He does need to add some strength. Again, he's 235. I'd like to see him go to 240 with a little 240s at that point because he doesn't play like a swift linebacker. He plays like a heavy hitter, but he's got the average weight. You know what I mean? A couple pounds. Nothing crazy. He's also got to learn to get it Better as reads. He's not the best at kind of looking over, seeing what's happening and anticipating. And again, I think that's partially going to come with time and better coaching as well. Correct. If you like trying to develop a guy from a smaller school, this is the guy for you. And I'll tell you what, at the very worst... From the tape I saw of him running people down and just throwing them down to the ground, I would take this guy on my coverage team in a heartbeat and then see what you can develop him into as far as on the field. Because, yeah, that's the kind of hitter I like on the team. I like old school football. Smash him in the mouth, call it a day, don't apologize, move on, and repeat the process all over again. That's what I like. same toes it happens all righty next up j d bertrand also out of notre dame All righty. So, JD is 6'1", 233 pounds, 23 years old, back in 22. 12 games, 82 tackles, 8.5 tackles for a loss, 2 sacks, 3 passes deflected. This past season, 12 games, 76 tackles, 7.5 tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks, 5 passes deflected, 1 forced fumble, and 82.4 PFF grade. So, very efficient player overall. This is the player we were alluding to before. We talked about his teammate there in Marist Leofu. Because, again, this is now you're talking going from number nine, where Marist was, up to now number six. Like I said, kind of in the middle of the pack of one of the better linebackers in this draft here. He was the stud of that linebacker core. So it's nice when you see somebody else that scouts and people who routinely watch players have respect for, and they go, okay, this guy's good. But this guy in the same team was the stud of that group. And that's a whole iron sharpens iron kind of mentality at that point there. As far as the snaps where they put him at 44 times of the line 35 times at the slot two times a quarter 566 the box never had him deep so that just again tells you what he is the fact they put him in box very often the fact they put him in the slot position accordingly he's not the coverage guy. He's a leader of the football team, though I can tell you that as well. You see him on the sidelines. People go up to him on purpose and reach out to him and want to be around him. He's got that kind of magnetism, too. He's got a high football IQ. He's great in zone coverage specifically. You want to go at one of those smart guys who kind of sniffs out a play and knows where to go to try to get an interception or break up a pass? This is your guy. He's also got a very high motor as well, consistently moving around, never sitting still, never seems to take a playoff, exactly the kind of stuff you're looking at. As far as the cons on him, he doesn't have that elite athleticism. So again, this is that hard worker kind of guy. Not a great open field tackler as well. That's got to improve, especially if you're going to be a guy who specializes in zone coverage. because sometimes you're going to be a little off in the zone at that point. You're going to have to go a couple yards to get the guy right after he catches the ball. And if you're a little bit off on that, that can be a touchdown in some cases. He does need to add a little bit of strength to his play as well. I think he's just watched the way he plays there with some of the guys that I don't think will make it to the NFL. He seems to get beat up occasionally at that point there, so I think a little more strength wouldn't be the worst thing for him there. Yeah, not at all. Like you said, 233, you like to see them around a little closer to 240 and low 240s. Yeah. So put on 10 pounds, which you're talking about that point, you're talking about 5% of his body mass, 4%. Yeah. But it makes a big difference, especially when you're running at someone 50 miles an hour. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. Newton's law. Newton's law. Yeah, exactly. All right. Let's pay the bills real quick, guys. We are at the halfway point already on these linebackers. Enjoying the show? Looking for more goofball action? Consider a membership at buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Memberships start at just $5 and give you additional goofball access. One-time support payments also available starting at just $3. Buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. all righty and the first comment was from two giant goofballs new york giants podcast said rob's face broke his camera will be on just momentarily to which john said roberto stop face effing your camera then john says to connor I'm the greatest then john says to connor I'm the greatest then john says to connor I'm the greatest goofball fan hold my beer goofball fan hold my beer goofball fan hold my beer I'm the silver back I'm the silver back I'm the silver back blue blue blue giant giant giant is that a gorilla silver diamond is that a gorilla silver diamond is that a gorilla silver diamond I'm so confused oops I'm the silver back I'm so confused oops I'm the silver back I'm so confused oops I'm the silver back big blue giant gorilla see I told you big blue giant gorilla see I told you big blue giant gorilla see I told you there we go which sounds better lol there we go which sounds better lol there we go which sounds better lol neither one neither one Then John says, I'd like to see Brendan Rice and Tariq Owens battling out to be great receivers. That'd be crazy. Any other Suns players that can battle from former players. We actually have an episode on that, Connor. Yeah, seriously, John, did you miss an episode? Weesh, that's not like you at all. Yeah, I was about to say, man. And I think Tariq Owens, honestly, will be battling it out for the lead hamburger flipper position with Evan Neal soon. That's all, to be honest with you. Yeah. Again, I just don't think he's that good. I think if it wasn't for the name, we wouldn't be talking about him. But I do think, I think Brandon Rice, like I said, I think he'll have a spot. He's going to be like, he'll top out at number two or number three in this league there, but he'll never be a one, but he'll be a solid receiver in this league, I think. uh john says wish lt the son great like him that could play for us anyone ever dna test micah parsons for lt no no do not fall into that trap john he is not lt micah parsons is not lt by the way I wasn't going to get um into this because it's more cowboy news and I've heard rumors and I'm not even sure how true the rumors are. There's been rumors floating around that Micah Parsons is wearing out his welcome in Dallas. Interesting. And if you remember, the reason he dropped in the draft to where he went was his personality. What's the issues? Are the hazing college issues he supposedly had? Nobody ever really specifically talked about what he supposedly did, but it was kind of a well-known thing that he had some behavioral issues, you could say, in college. So, interesting. But LT, on the other hand, had his flaws. Don't get me wrong. Wasn't a perfect human being by any means. Yeah. Okay, it's why you stay up at crack. But you never heard a teammate talk trash about him. He was loved by his teammates. This is true. That's a huge difference. You could be a jerk to everybody else. And when you're playing football, you probably should be. Like if you hear Tom Brady talk about how he can't stand the fact that all the quarterbacks are friends nowadays. He's like, I love Peyton Manning. He had a quote. I remember seeing him. So I paraphrased it. It could be a little bit. He said, I love Peyton Manning. I have a ton of respect for that man. But he's like, but I think I had dinner with him like three times while we played, and that's it. He's like, I never wanted to get close to players. LT was the quintessential of that. Everybody who played against him hated him. But the people who played with him loved him. Micah Parsons seems to be, like I said, wearing out that welcome. John says, no, you guys did an episode on related people, not who can best one another. Well, we kind of did that. We talked about the outcome for these guys. Again, we said Tyreek Owens will probably not even make it in the NFL. He'll probably be a camp body. That's my stuff. Oh, my God. Could you imagine T.O. crying while doing push-ups in his driveway again? It would be spectacular. John says, good, we'll take him. No, I don't want him. Seriously, as good as talented he is. If he's going to have problems like that, like if he's a locker room problem, I don't want him. If he got that kind of talent and he's still wearing it, it's welcome. Yeah, good luck. And John says, LT and Waterboy doing a small crack. I wonder, too, because he's already calling out Connor. Where is Connor? Where's Connor? Where's Deb? Come on, people. You were there. We see you. We see you. Everywhere you go. goofballs are watching you want to hear your guys thoughts here so I listen I can see people watching not commenting by all means love to have you but let us know your thoughts put in the comment section because I want to hear other people's thoughts as well as deb says hello I'm here I know you're always there we appreciate you Uh, but like I said, it's one, anybody who has any comments to one of the players as well, not just John's crazy rant and rants there about LT and water boy. So let us know what you think is we're going to start breaking into the second half of the linebackers here, which is where we start getting into the players that a little more household names. Some of you guys, if you don't know the guys we just talked about, you'll probably know some of the guys are about to bring up here. Even if you're just casual fans of college football, um, Next up, we got number five. Number five. Go to Michigan. Junior Coulson. Not to be confused with Agent Coulson, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. And before we get started, I got to give a kudos to Michigan. And listen, I admit freely, I'm a Jersey boy. I'm going to root for Rutgers, but I have no, you know, allegiance to any particular college. When you're looking for, I was looking for all these different, you know, short video clips and stuff like that and gifts and stuff to make these for the intros for these players. Some of them were very, very difficult, I got to say, for some people that I thought were kind of household names. Junior Colson had like 10 of them. That's how good Michigan was at getting that kind of stuff out. So kudos to Michigan's media team and social media team and all that stuff for getting this stuff out. That's your chance. We hope so. Listen, it's a big school. Cool, too. What else are you going to do? Ice fishing there? I mean, you want to watch football. Anyway, Judah Colson, 6'3", 247 pounds, 21 years old, so still pretty young. Last year, 22, 14 games, 101 tackles, 6 tackles for loss. Two sacks, one pass deflected this past season. 15 games, 95 tackles, two tackles for loss, two sacks, two passes defended there, and an 81.7 PFF grade. That's a pretty high PFF grade. Again, Michigan. We're not talking about a guy who played at a teeny tiny little school there at that point. This is a guy who played against legit competition pretty much week in, week out. um he did move around a little bit more than some of the guys as well there uh but still primarily boxes you expect most linebackers to be 70 snaps at the line 50 at the slot eight at corner 534 at the box and none deep um as far as the pros and cons there gets off blocks very well uh he's strong he's a good athlete overall he's also very good in zone coverage hence why you saw him 50 times at the slot position As far as the cons, one you can fix potentially, one you can't. Shorter wingspan. Kind of hard to fix that one. Unless you... Go, go, gadget. The other thing is he does take some bad angles sometimes. I always say, if you watch All-22 and you watch stuff from above at that point there, you can pretty much money-wanted quarterback every single player because you can see things that they have no way at the field to see. That's just life. Same if you ever went to a football game and you got nosebleed seats. It's like having the All-22 live. You can see stuff. I guess that's a very optimistic way to looking at getting those bleeds. It is. I mean, I've been there. I've been broke plenty of times in my life, including now. Listen, MetLife is not the cheapest stadium out there. It's crazy. I'm telling you, that's one thing I did like about definitely moving here to Florida. It's so much cheaper to go to the football game here. It's funny. Yeah. Yeah. So for those who aren't aware, by the way, we are going to play the Falcons this year. So I'm going to that game. We're trying to get Rob to fly down to go as well. So for those who are interested in going to see it at an unusual location, the Falcons. I'm also looking to see what happens with the Panthers. We're playing the Panthers this year as well. That might be an interesting game to go to. Probably be very cheap, too. Probably very cheap, exactly. And a game we should probably win as a Giant fan. That's always something to look forward to. Not very often we go into games like that. Anyway, Junior Colson. I'm thinking he's going to be a fourth-round pick kind of guy. This is a guy that I think, while you probably don't want to start him right off the bat, you probably want to give him a year to kind of help with some of the angle issues and just kind of fine-tune him a little bit and to fit your defense a little better at that point. In a pinch, I think you could start him. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a run on some of these other guys and a team that needs him to take him in the third round because he's a national champion at this point. Yeah, he's got his problems. They know what the issues are. They know his positives. I wouldn't be surprised, like I said, if a run goes on, he goes a little earlier than the fourth round. I think the other thing, too, to keep in mind also with that is, again, it's linebacker. That's a position a lot of teams don't like to pay. So if they need a linebacker, a lot of times they're going right to the draft for one. They don't want to pay somebody a couple million dollars. They'd rather pay someone $700,000 out of the draft and move on. So, like I said, I think that's where he should go. And he might go in the third. He might sneak up there and get to the third. But I think the fourth round is probably the right spot for him there. But like I said, he's a guy that at the very worst will have a career as a good backup in this league. But he's still going to be a decent starter. Never probably anything crazy, but a decent starter in this league. So... Next up is a guy who's really difficult to read, to be very frank with you. I got to say, out of all the guys' tapes that I watched, I probably watched more tape on this guy than anybody else because I was trying to figure out where do we put him? What do I think of him overall? And that's Cedric Gray out of North Carolina. All righty. So, Sandra Gray, again, in North Carolina, 6'2", 235 pounds, just 21 years old. Some of the young in there. We got a lot of young into this whole thing here, by the way, guys. A lot of, like, 21-year-olds. Like, they're just old enough to drink and enjoy the NFL, basically. Last season, 22, 14 games, 145 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, one sack, two interceptions, six passes deflected there, two forced fumbles. I'm sorry, three forced fumbles, two fumbles recovery. This past season, 12 games, 121 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, five sacks, four passes deflected, two forced fumbles, two fumbles recovered, and a 74.0 PFF grade. Don't forget about his interception. Oh, yeah, interception. It's a good thing I have the notes with you as well. As far as where he's at snap-wise, listen, this guy played a lot. This is that guy that just never came off the field. That's part of why he has such a high tackle number. 24 snaps at the line, 76 at slot, three at corner, 773 in the box, and one deep. This is a guy that there's a lot of pros to. But I watch it, and I also go, there's a lot of cons. And I wonder, are those cons limitations he has? Are those cons things that just need to be coached up? And I can't tell to be very frank with you. This is a guy that he could become a Pro Bowl linebacker, and it wouldn't shock me. He could become a backup in his league. It wouldn't shock me. He has that high of ceiling to floor to me. He really does. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, go over pros and cons. Pros with him. He's very instinctive. He's good in pursuit. He's got a great burst and acceleration. As far as the cons, not a great blitzer. We talked about the one sack in 22. He did manage to get five in 23 there. But to be honest, he just happened. It's almost like, and I hate to say it this way to give this reference, but people mention it all the time, so I'll say it. It's kind of like Kayvon's version of 23. He just happened to get some sacks at a very higher rate for what his win rate was against the blockers. He didn't get off blocks very often, but when he did, he just happened to be able to finish it this year. And there's some luck in that. There's some luck in that. And again, I hate to say it because I'm saying it based on Kayvon, but I keep hearing all season long it's about Kayvon doing that. And they're not wrong when they say Kayvon did that because he kind of feasted on two teams also. But Cedric Gray is a guy who's been now a couple of years in college that he should be beyond that. He never grew out of that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a guy, if he makes the right read, he's the guy that's most likely going to be successful. But when the push comes to shove, shoving is getting more done than pushing. yeah and he needs to get better also in drop back coverage now if you have him in the box if you want to come run up against the hook route run up against a running back that's let's you know try to be in the flat or a screen or something like that he's very good at that type of coverage But the second he has to turn those hips at that point and start running alongside with somebody, he's just not good. You have to have a safety back there to kind of cover that, do a soft coverage routine. So I think he works best in a zone coverage scheme at that point. You can kind of try to eliminate some of that. I think he's also going to work pretty good in the spot that counts on the linebacker to do a lot of the run stopping. Kind of one of those spots where, hey, the tackle is meant just to clog the hole and keep the blockers off the linebackers so he can free up and take the credit. Kind of like the Ravens did with Ray Lewis all those years. People forget sometimes. Ray Lewis was great. Don't get me wrong. One of the best to ever play this game. But the reason he was is because they schemed him open by having big fatties in front of him take on blocks. It was a brilliant scheme. That's why it's worked so well for so many years and continues to work now all these years later since he's retired with new people. But that's the kind of system I think Cedric Ray needs at that point. If he went to Baltimore, it would actually be a very good fit now that we're talking about that. I didn't even think about that before. I didn't think of that reference ahead of time. But yeah, he'd be a great fit there, I think. Again, I think worst-case scenario, he's a good backup and an excellent special teamer. Best case scenario, he's a Pro Bowl. I legit that the ceiling and floor is that high for him. So probably tells you he'll probably be just an average starter. That's probably the middle ground. Well, yeah, you're talking backup Pro Bowl in the middle is average. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying chances are he won't hit floor or ceiling and get somewhere between. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I think he'd be a little more above average, but yeah. Mediocre. Above mediocre. Not quite swell. On a scale of 1 to 10, you're a 5 or a 6. Well, 5 is average, so 6 is getting kind of good. Depends if you count 0 or not. 0 is 0. 1 is the first part of it. 1 is the loneliest number that there'll ever be. Especially next to two. Who does number two work for? Anyway, on to number three. This name may sound familiar, Giants fans. We talked about him in the Father-Son episode there. And that's Jeremiah was a bullfrog trotter junior out of Clemson. He was a good friend of mine. Anyway, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. out of Clemson, 6' even, 230 pounds. Again, just 21 years old. Like I said, a lot of good young talent in this group here. Back in 22-14 games, 89 tackles, 13.5 tackles for loss, 6.5 sacks, two interceptions, including one for a touchdown, five passes deflected, one forced fumble. This past season, 12 games. Let me reemphasize that. 12 games compared to 14 the previous year because the numbers are very similar, guys. Two less games. 88 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, five and a half sacks, two interceptions. Again, one for a touchdown. Five passes deflected, two forced fumbles, and 85.7 PFF grade. this guy to me, I just don't think he gets enough credit. I think people just assume he gets too much credit because who his dad is. Obviously his dad was a hell of a player in his day. I hate to say it as a giant fan because the guy was Eagle Hall of Famer, obviously. Uh, but his dad was one hell of a player for many years. Um, he has that same type of potential. But he's not by any means a finished product. He's another guy that you could see starting potentially, but probably really better off. And I think even more than a guy we talked about with Junior Colson, even more important, I think he should sit for one year just to kind of fine-tune his game there, so to speak. But I think it's going to be a hell of a player this league. Kind of like his dad. Not a Hall of Famer, not a Pro Bowler, not that kind of level guy. But he'd be in the Hall of Very Good. Like that kind of player, I think, is who he'll end up being. As far as his snaps and where he gets lined up, they're 40 at the line, 28 in the slot, one at corner, 619 at the box, and one deep. His pros, downfield speed, blitzes, good tackler, great in zone coverage with a high football IQ there. Again, it's in the genes there. It's in the genes. As far as the cons, trouble getting off the blocks. Now, also trouble in man overruns plays can be beaten to the outside. And this is where you get into the physical stuff. Trouble getting off blocks. You're just barely 230 pounds. You're six foot even. Whenever we have trouble in man coverage, especially at a jump ball. You're giving up height there. All these things that you see can be beaten to the outside. It's a physical limitation. He's not the fastest guy in the world. This is a guy that has to be put, I think, in the right spot. as a situational blitzer kind of guy that's going to go ahead and play linebacker on a regular basis and, again, be that old-school kind of linebacker that just sits there and goes after the running back. And you can put him, again, in the smaller picture as far as his own coverage guy against the flat routes, the hook routes, and stuff like that. But don't expect him to cover someone deep because he's going to get burned. Correct, which is why he did it once. Yeah, and you put him in the right spot, though, he could be a hell of a player. He really could. He'd be a hell of a player. Yeah, get him on some box jumps and some beefcake. You know, $25,000? Beefcake! Beefcake! Half black. Wait a minute. We're selling protein and car insurance? Yes, exactly at once. Oh, yes. Geico. What do you think about that? Sam Geico. The band Aerosmith involved in this now. Blink of an eye, you finally see the light. All right. Next up, next up, next up. A very controversial player here coming up. That, honestly... I remember I said we were talking about Cedric Gray a little bit, that I was kind of very much like, where do I put this guy? Where's the fence on this guy? This is another guy that I got him pretty high because of how well he played in college. But there was some internal discussion of where to put this guy because of some issues here. And that's Edgerton Cooper at a Texas A&M. All right, so Edgerton Cooper, 6'3", 230 pounds, 22 years old. In 22, 11 games, 61 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, zero sacks, one interception, five passes deflected, forced fumble, and a fumble recovery. This past season, 12 games, 84 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 8 sacks, 2 passes deflected, 1 fumble recovery, and 2 forced fumbles with a 90.8 PFF grade, guys. That's pretty damn high. And you can see what his position was. He wasn't the coverage guy. He was the attack the line guy. He was the cause chaos. He was the cause havoc kind of guy. And he definitely caused some havoc. I mean, again, 84 tackles, 17 tackles for loss. That's a pretty damn good ratio. That's a pretty damn good ratio, though. You know, it doesn't take a genius to do the math, so I'll do it for you. 17 times 2 is 34. Did you do both years? Oh, so he didn't know where I was going with this. See, so 61 plus 84, 145. So at 145, he had 34 of those. That's 23%. That's a freaking decent number of tackles for loss. So almost a quarter of his tackles were behind the line of scrimmage, guys. You want to get NFL scouts' attention. That's how you do it. yeah yeah very much every four year tackles are behind the line scrimmage yeah yeah that's gonna get someone's attention um as far as where he played too that's part of the impressiveness just 66 snaps at the line so it wasn't like they kept on moving them up and moving them up moving them up like that and trying to sneak an extra lineman basically in this game that's not where he played played 82 times at the slot position again Eight corner spots, 453 in the box. As far as pros and cons there, plays spy very well. And I don't mean that he's an extra from Secret Invasion. I mean he is a guy that will go ahead and spy on whatever player you need him to spy on. I think people always think of QB spy, obviously. It's not always QB. But if you've got a running quarterback and you tell him you keep an eye on him and you keep him from getting out, guess what he's going to do? You're going to stop him from getting out. You've got a running back that's just a prolific running back at that point of a great running game. You put him on that guy, so your job is to keep an eye on this guy. That's what he did in college. And I'll be honest, that partially inflates those numbers that he had, and that's partially why. Because he went after one specific target, and that was his job. And a lot of the time, that guy was somebody who was behind the line of scrimmage to start with. It wasn't like he were putting him on the wide receiver one. He's a linebacker. That'd be ridiculous. You're putting him on quarterbacks. You're putting him on running backs, and you're having to spy like crazy. He's fast. He's got really long arms, and he's aggressive. All this lens towards great in spy and great getting guys behind the line of scrimmage. Here's the problems you run into with him. And a lot of it is because of the scheme he did. And this is part of the equation of why I'm a little confused where to put this guy. But we got him at number two because of just how well he was and what he was asked to do. I hate to penalize a player ever. for doing well at what they were asked to do and not given the opportunity to show what he could do otherwise. That's not his fault. So I don't want to penalize him for that. But I can see where somebody could because he didn't have a lot of experience in coverage. That wasn't his thing. Again, he was a spy. He was the KGB. He was not the spy that shagged me. Yeah. Oh, baby. Behave. Let's see. Then he was overly aggressive at times. And again, I can't complain on that spot when you're getting, you know, 17 tackles for loss and eight sacks with only 84 tackles on the year. I'm not going to complain about that too much. But obviously that does lend to the big plays. But you also, again, we talked about it, 23% of your plays are that you did do tackles on were behind the line, which are obviously big plays. So, you know, take the pros with the cons. You know what team I really see him going to? Where? Crazy. It's either the Steelers or the Raiders. Think about who they have to play in that division. Yeah. You know who I could see really being interested in him and I think would be an amazing opportunity for him to showcase himself on a very big stage? A team like Cincinnati or Buffalo that has to go ahead and try to stop Patrick Mahomes. Well, that's what I'm saying. If he goes to the Steelers, he's going to be spying Lamar. He's going to be spying Burrow, who's the running back over there. And then they got... Nick Chubb he gets a spy on. So that's like three teams specific where he's going to have to face them. Nick Chubb may be being spied on by the doctor's office still. I mean, we'll see what happens with Nick Chubb. You're not wrong. Let's see what happens with Nick Chubb. I'm just saying, I could see a team that... And that's what I'm getting with the Raiders too. Because the Raiders are going to be better this year. And then you got Justin Herbert besides Patrick Mahomes. Because you got to be in that division. And, I mean, Rockets is Rockets, but... Yeah, I can see a team that, like I said, I think wherever he goes, it needs to be a team that already has leadership set in place with a strong culture to it. Because the other con, and I haven't put on the list here, because it's a lot of rumors right now. There's a lot of rumors about a lot of players right now. Is that he does not interview well with teams. And that there's some personality concerns. And honestly, if it wasn't for those concerns, I would probably have him at number one because I like his tape and I like what he does that much. Because again, I'm not going to hold it against him what he was asked to do, and he did it as well as you can do. I mean, we've both been in managerial roles. Sometimes you get the guy and you think he's going to be all right, but he's a stud that just can't interview well. That is part of it. You look at the resume. That is part of it. But, yeah. I think that... I think you gotta look at, like I said, some of what's going on there and go, hmm. Is that what's going on? Is that the issue with him? Is that why he's not being talked about so much? Because the guy we're about to talk about, I mean, I've seen people in the comments already talking about him. Especially Mark here talking about him. I know, but entering Cooper's guy is not getting a lot of hype. And if you look at what he did at the combine and everything, he was a potential first-round talent because that's the kind of physical abilities he has. His interview process has killed it to where he's probably a second or third round because he's scared some teams could pull you off. That's how bad the interview process has been for him. From what I hear, again, I'm not in the room. I don't know. Could be people who spoke up whose butt at that point. Who spoke up whose butt? I don't know. It's not my butt. Anyway, let's get on to number one. Numero uno. The big one. Number one. Peyton Wilson, NC State. Come on. I don't know why it stopped at halfway through now. What's going on in the video? Let's try it again. Number one, Peyton Wilson. There he is. There he is. Now we got it right here. It's like amateur hour here. Come on. Ah. Ah. Anyway, Peyton Wilson, 6'4", 238 pounds, 23 years old at NC State. In 22, 11 games, 82 tackles, 12 and a half tackles for loss, four and a half sacks, one interception, three passes deflected. This past season, 23, 12 games, 138 tackles. Little big jump there. Yeah, 17 and a half tackles for loss, six sacks, three interceptions, six passes deflected. Oh, and I should say one of his interceptions for a touchdown. Yeah, that's a pretty nice play there. Two fumble recovery, one forced fumble, 89.9 PFF grade overall there. Now, he is a guy that did spend a decent amount of time at the line compared to some of these guys there. Part of why he's got all these tackles for loss. 173 snaps at the line, 44 at the slot, one a quarter, 490 at the box, seven playing deep as well. So they really put him all over the place there. You don't put a linebacker as your deep guy very often. And if you look, most of these guys are like 0 or 1. He's got 7, which don't get me wrong, 7 is not a high number. But that means they trusted him back there to do it more than once. He plays and moves extremely fast. When you talk about play speed, there's a difference between the guy who runs fast on the track and the guy who runs fast on the field with cleats and the whole uniform on. He's that guy. Correct. Now, don't get me wrong. He does run fast on the track as well. He is a very athletic person. He does well at taking on blocks. He's a good blitzer. He's not the strongest in the world. That's the one big knock on him as far as his play. So he may not be the strongest in run support because of that. I want to say that's his biggest knock on his play. There's something else. Well, that's not his play what I'm about to bring up here. But he is, again, not to upset Deb there. I'm not trying to bring up Michael Penix again, but I am kind of in a way. He's the Michael Penix of linebackers. And what I mean by that is he's had some major injuries, and that's going to scare some teams off. He's got two ACL tears and a shoulder injury. Sounds familiar, like somebody else we talked about, right? So this is a guy that if the medical checks out, Nothing should scare you with that. Even if you go, he might not have a long career. It might be a 5-6 career. He's going to be a special player from the get-go. I really think that. He's the guy that is going to be a really good above-average starter from the second you put him on the field. And because of that, he'll probably go in round two. If it wasn't for the injuries, I think he would go round one. I think some people will take him off their entire draft board because of that. You know? So, and I'll say this, I don't like to pick comments out necessarily during the thing, but we'll go through all the comments later. You know, Mark loves it, but Mark just put, if I remember right, Honey Badger benched like five times at the combine. He turned out okay. He's also a safety, not a linebacker. There is a difference. Just saying. Yeah. So, like I said, again, it's not like, oh, my God, this guy's a bad player because he needs to have a little strength. It's just that's the one knock on him. If you do see him occasionally, not the best at shedding blocks when people are running after him at the second level at that point. He's not the guy who takes people down with force like that. You see that in some of the players there. But he's so quick. He's so athletic. He's so quick to react to things. He reads the play so well. He's got the high football IQ that you put up with that. Everybody's got a downfall in the NFL. There's not one point that you go, this guy's perfect. Pretty much. Even Patrick Mahomes, who's like the poster boy of the NFL, he's got his voice. Sounds like Kermit the Frog. Kermit the Frog here is going to throw you the football. And they're going to host you a new Muppet special. And then he's got his family. No one likes his wife. I don't know why. I have no problem with her personally, but no one seems to like her. And his brother's kind of a schmuck. Did you see the Instagram video where his brother tried to get into a club after they won? And Brittany Mahomes already walked in and she just looked at him. and kept walking in. No one seems to like him, even the family. Maybe that's why they don't like him. Anyway, Peyton Wilson, like I said, he'll be a stud. He's a guy that I would definitely say to go ahead and take. I think, though, that for the Giants' perspective... We have too many needs way above him, and I don't see that happening. Plus, we all know the history of ACL tears at Midlife Stadium. Listen, I know it's not scaring me that the guy that I mentioned a minute ago, because I'm going to take the chance because of the position. I'm not going to take that kind of chance on a linebacker when they already have a stud linebacker in Okereke, and they already have Micah McFadden, who's proven to be a decent second linebacker potentially. So, you know, now if he falls to like the third, fourth round, let's go. But I was also going to make me question his medical then. Going to make me question his medical. Now what I would love to do, if let's say someone drops, we're talking about third, fourth round. Let's say third, fourth round, we go, let's get a linebacker. I think it's time to get the bullfrog, Jeremiah Trotter, at that point. Because if you can go ahead and get Jeremiah Trotter Jr. and John Runyon Jr. in the same offseason just to piss off the Eagles after they signed Saquon, I'm there. Let's go. Let's go. F you, Eagle fans. Fly, Eagles, fly. Yeah, we'll have John Runyon and Jeremiah Trotter in the stands rooting for the Giants. What now? Deal. Oh, it'd be spectacular. It would be. But yeah, he actually would be a good fit, I think, too, actually, for the team. He's somebody who I'd look at if we want to go that early. I don't think we'll go that early. I think we'll go later. You know, I think getting a guy like either Bertrand from the Notre Dame fighting Irish there would be a good fit because he's a good coverage guy. We always have to have coverage issues with tight ends for how many years? Get a good coverage guy. Tyrese Knight, if you really want to go with somebody that's going to be a potential project guy that at least start off as a special teamer, I like him a lot. He's got that potential to have that high ceiling. I like potential guys when you're going late. When you're going late, half these guys aren't going to make it past the backup special teamer point. If they're going to be late, have a little fun with it. Yeah, might as well. Go with it, man. Go for a guy that you're going for the moon, shooting for the moon with at that point. I was going to say, your three and four is kind of like your gamble rounds. Yeah. No, I'll disagree with that. Third and four should be your backbone, guys. They're not your stars. They're kind of the backbone of the team kind of guys. Now, the Giants tend to gamble in those spots, but I disagree with that theory. That's what they've done for so many years, and it hasn't panned out, and that's why our third-round people are the Joshua Zudos of the world when you can actually get a decent player in the third round usually. Sorry, a little rant there. I'm not a big fan of the way Joe... I'm not a fan of Joe Schering and the way he's drafted. Okay, I mean, Pukunukuwa, when did he go in the fourth round? He went, I think, fifth round, actually. Yeah, that was kind of a gamble because no one knew how good he was going to be. It was a gamble, but actually that was the guy that, and we talked about him last year. We said, you know, good guy, tries hard, blocks well, does all the little things at that point, you know, seems to want to excel at the game. And, you know, we didn't expect him to be that good, but that's the guy you take a chance on in the later round. If you think, okay, smaller school, let's see if we can get him in the big ticket and see what he does. You know, that's when you take your chance. That fourth, fifth round, you know, not third, fourth, but, you know, if you're elite fourth round pick, you're practically in fifth round anyway at that point. But, you know, and you're sixth and seventh at that point is when you're trying to go ahead and get, you know, your special teams and emergency positions kind of stuff filled. Hey, I'm thin on depth in this position. Let me just grab a linebacker. Let me just grab a running back. You know, that's where you're at. Pretty much. All right, let's get to those comments here. Then we got some NFL news and some Giants news here, guys. So it's going to be a nice little long episode here. We're an hour and 10 minutes in. We'll probably do 10 minutes talking news, then the other 15 minutes or so probably talking news here. So prepare for the long haul. Oh, yes. John says T.O. didn't get trapped until the third round. Again, he went to a small... He went to a Chattanooga State. Is that the school he went to or something like that? I want to say. Chattanooga's not even a big city, let alone a big school. I know it's got a very nice aquarium, though. Very nice aquarium. John says, so maybe his kid does good in the NFL because you never know. No, he won't do good. He had three colleges to go to, but he didn't make it. Mark says, what up, guys? What's up, man? Says Peyton Wilson. He's going to be a steel tackling machine and also in coverage. Big knee with all these patch-catching tight ends. Are tight ends catching patches now? Are they iron-on catches? They could be. And catches. He says, Peyton Wilson reminds me a lot of Zach Thomas, Blake Martinez, nose for the ball. You know who he kind of reminds me of? Listen, I'm going to get slack for this, but I'm going to say it. Especially because he's not that huge linebacker guy. Again, 238, not a horrible size. But I think he's going to play smaller than what he is because of his athleticism. I think like a Luke Kuechly kind of style. He's not going to be that good of a player because Luke Kuechly was an amazing player. But he's going to play that type of football, I think, where he's going to count his speed, count his athleticism and stuff like that. He needs a little help to keep him unlocked in the game. He then says, if you haven't seen his highlights, watch. He's good. Of course we watched his highlights. We're talking linebackers. We're talking linebackers here. uh do you think the giants take drake may or try to trade up to three uh pick we're going to talk about that in a minute because some news came out today uh mark has continued with his love for payton wilson saying ran a four four three forty uh l capitan what's up man he says well he says hello what's up we're off at the building what's up man uh mark says had 140 tell you still on this hold on let's we're gonna skip through some of this mark is I was about to say, he went through a lot. He's got a whole... He told us about his 40 with the 443. He's like, are you aware he uses an orange toothbrush? No. Let's see. Mark says, do you prefer a pass-rushing linebacker or a run-stopping linebacker? We need brushers, but I like strengthening our run defense. I like... Two things I like, personally. This is based on the Giants training. Because, again, keep in mind, we've got Dexter Lawrence. So you're getting rushed up the middle that a lot of teams don't get. You've got Brian Burns now. You've got Kayvon Thibodeau. You've got, you know, you've got, why am I drawing a blank right now? Okay, okay. No, no, not okay, okay. Though he does run as well at that point there. Oh, my God, I'm drawing a blank. I think it's the kid from Georgia that's always hurt. Why am I doing that? Oh, sneeze. Aziz Ojolari. There we go. Why am I drawing a blank there? I was having a senior moment. Sorry, guys. And, you know, you got guys who do the pass. We're going to rush at that point. What we always need is guys who can cover. Because, again, tight ends always whip our... I would love to get a guy who's sort of like a Miles Jack kind of guy. Like when he came out, that was a specialty guy at covering running backs and tight ends and a run stopper because we did have trouble stopping the run last year. I do think part of that is a scheme. I think part of that is the blink scheme, though. I think you're going to see that a little better this year. I really do. I'm not trying to hate a guy on his way out there at that point, but these teams specifically, because he blitzes so often, it leads to guys, if they sneak past that first line, there's not much there to help behind them. So, yeah, I think a pass rushing linebacker is not a bad thing. Don't get me wrong. I think a run stopping linebacker is not a bad thing as well, and that's probably number two on my needs. But number one is a coverage guy. We need a coverage guy. All right, let's get into the news here, guys, because we've got some news to go over here. So first up, we got the Giants news. It's time for the news. Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. Yeah, so Mel Kiper, the guy who's been doing mock drafts now since the first, I think, draft of people wearing leather helmets back in the 20s. Yeah. as his hair also resembles a leather helmet. His latest mock has us taking Malik neighbors. That's number six there. And then trading up with the Panthers again, seem to like Panther trades. We've got Brian Burns already getting number 33 from them, though. He didn't mention what we gave up fully to get that. But taking Bo next, that is a quarterback second there. I like the first half. I can't say I love the second half, but again, whatever quarterback we take, I'm going to support. I'm saying that right now. Whether I like him or not, I'm going to support. I'm going to trust David and Shane because they have somewhat of a track record thanks to Josh Allen. Let's be very frank. There's a lot of people with Josh Allen and Joe Shane and the Buffalo guys. There are some apologies because if you remember right, there was a lot of people going, wow, really? The Buffalo Bills traded up twice and they got Josh Allen? Josh Allen was not this prized possession prospect. He was the big project guy that people thought was nowhere near as good as guys like Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold. I remember laughing about it, too, going, oh, my God, really? That's what they took? Yeah, circle the wagon. Let's just give up all the picks and probably the best quarterback out of that class. Yeah, it was worth it. They made the right move. So like I said, I'll trust him no matter what. Now as far as what quarterbacks they really like, though, Pat Leonard, again, everybody's least favorite Giants beat reporter there, said, I got a text from a source. A lot of conversations about who the Giants may like and where they may go. May is the guy. Ralph Facchiano of Fox Sports said that if the Giants are tempted to trade up for a quarterback, they'd be tempted by one player, and this is North Carolina's Drake May. I can validate and verify that is where the arrow is pointing. Now, I'll say this. As much as we don't like Pat Leonard, because he just seems to love when the Giants have bad things happen to them. I don't know if he just does. He said some outlandish things before that haven't been 100% off base. He was the first one to report about us getting tired and wanting to trade away Kedarious Tony. He wasn't wrong. We all made fun of him, said he was wrong at the time. You know, made no sense. Why would you trade away a guy who just had a, you know, a promising rookie season? We obviously didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. Obviously he heard. So he's not always wrong. So take that for what it is. Not saying he's always right either. And the Giants definitely put out fake news all the time at that point to keep people off the scent of the real trail. So we'll see. And I would say this, because of some of the stuff he's said and done, he's probably not the favorite in the Giants building either. So it wouldn't put it past someone to leak him wrong information on purpose. That would be fantastic. Yeah. Next up, rumor-wise here, there's also a rumor that the Giants will be revealing a new alternate helmet for the upcoming season. So people are already posting, though, all kinds of fake alternate helmets. Nobody knows what it's going to look like yet. So if you see it, check the source. I saw one that somebody did. It was an all-white helmet with the New York logo thing on it. and somebody trying to claim it's that actually they look that bad I didn't hate it actually change the pace I didn't change the pace who knows maybe they do the red helmets like the red jerseys they used to do back in the day it's funny because when they stopped doing it after plexiglas right yeah well he must have been in a club with an away jersey on I just had to soak the blood up somehow yeah no one will know No one will know. No one will know. But yeah, like I said, interesting. We got more comments here from Darren Waller in the segment I'm going to call now. You need to shut the fuck up. Seriously, like, I want to say this. Before I even say this, let's get his comments and then I'll go on my rant on this. Okay. He was asked if he would let the Giants know his answer before the draft. He said, that would be ideal, but I also don't want to put that on myself. It's got to be before summer break, that's for sure. I'm going to give you a little lesson here. Hold on. I don't do this very often in the show. I don't mean the coughing. I do that all the time. But for those on video... We're going one camera shot for a second here. Oh, yes. Darren Waller, if you're watching, this is for you. Important information that you don't seem to have, you need to have. Because a reporter asks you a question, doesn't mean you have to F and answer it. Shut up. This is why fans are getting upset. Because you keep talking. Shutty up in your face. Take your time to make your decision. But stop leaving people on eggshells. Just shut up. When you make your decision, that's when you talk. Until then, zip it. Zippy long stockings. No more. Listen, Ben... You've been in the room with Joe Shane. You've been in the room with Brian Dibble. What do they do when they tell the press when they don't say anything? Yeah, we'll get to that later. We'll talk about that later. We'll pass that when it happens. Because this is what happens. You don't have to come up with something that you think sounds nice, but you make yourself sound like a freaking idiot. It's not that he sounds like an idiot. He's been doing a really good job with it. It's not that he sounds like an idiot. I was going to say, that's the wrong thing. Very indecisive. He doesn't know what he's going to do. Every time you make a comment, you're an article. Because this is a big story right now. Will he retire? Will he not retire? Every single time you make a comment, and it involves whether or not you're going to retire, it's going to be an article. It's the offseason. It's going to get some traction. So if somebody asks you, Darren, if you're going to go ahead and retire, when's your deadline, anything with retirement, the answer should always be plain and simple. I don't need any further comments on this. As soon as I have any information to give you guys, I will share it at that appropriate time. And shut up. This is why Giants fans get annoyed because we think we're getting yo-yoed back and forth at this point. I know you probably have something going on in your life at that point. Huh? I know you probably have something going on in your life where you're trying to figure out what you're going to do. I don't think this is as simple as I don't want to play with Daniel Jones again like some people are saying. There's something else going on in his life. And I'm trying to be respectful of that. I really am. But Dude, you're doing it to yourself. Just shut up. Stop talking to the media. If you mosh around and lynch this, people will probably give you more respect. I'm just here so I don't get in trouble. Or just say, I don't have to be here and I can't get fined. Just say it that way. There's no requirement for you to talk to them. You're in the offseason. Shut up. Shut up. It's like he's afraid to get jumped by the media if he doesn't answer all their questions. You're bigger than them. I've seen the media. Those guys are like 5'4 people. Yeah. They were the statisticians for the high school football team, okay? Little college, goddammit. Shut up. Stop talking to them. I just don't get it. What does he gain? I want to sit there and say he wants to be nice and just not be rude to them. But just be rude. We're telling you to be rude. Be rude. You're in the New York market. We're rude. It's okay. I don't know. I guess we're quasi-media ourselves, I guess. I wouldn't be pissed off at that comment if he said that. I'm like, oh, God, I was hoping to get something out of him. But I wouldn't be pissed off if he said, I'm sorry, I don't have anything more to comment on that situation. As soon as I do, I'll let you all know. I wouldn't be pissed. God damn it, I wish I got something. Because I'm telling you, every time he opens his mouth, somebody's going, yes, got the article right. I'm going to take those eight words that he gave me I'm gonna write 800 uh words on it about something I think he what he meant off this and what I mean by I'm gonna write 800 words I'm gonna pop a couple words in the chat gpt and see what happens yeah But, again, that's just my thing. Just shut up, Derek. Shut up. And I mean that with love. I don't even mean that to be a jerk. I honestly think he's just a nice guy and hates saying that kind of stuff to people. But you're making the situation worse for yourself at this point, man. You really are. Just stop talking to the media. Tell them you have nothing. Just don't do it. And if they keep on pushing you, say that, you know what, you're off my list of people that I'm going to let know when this happens now. Yeah. You have that power. Anyway, let's get off Waller here. Let's get on to Isaiah Simmons here, because they revealed the money, money, money, and it wasn't that much money, money, money, as we said it wouldn't be. One year, $2 million, $1.4 million guaranteed. So that $1.4 million guaranteed means, yeah, he's probably going to make the roster, because you pretty much guaranteed 75% of his money there. But $2 million... Not a lot of money. Like I said, they're not confident where they want to play and where they want to be. They just want a year to see if he can fit in this new defense. That's what I think. So we'll see what happens. Again, backup guy. Use what he does good. Don't expect too much. That's what he should be. In retirement news, former Giants safety Logan Ryan, former defendant in a case against the Giants as well because he sued the member for money when they cut him, has retired. Kudos to him and a nice long career. I think that he's a guy that you're going to see a lot of. He does a lot of charity work. People that aren't aware of what he does work-wise, he does a lot of charity work, especially with animals specifically. So you'll probably see a lot of him now doing advocating work and stuff like that there. He's actually the one that got Tom Brady into volunteering at the local ASPCA or Humane Society, one of the two. I forget which one he did. Once a week there with his kids when he was playing here in Tampa. So, like I said, he does a lot of charity work with dogs specifically and stuff like that. So, you know, that's definitely something near and dear to my heart, my family's heart there. Pets are family as far as we're concerned in this house. So, yeah. So, we both like that. Giants made a signing. Oh, yes. We signed a guy. Oh, yes. Let's be excited until we hear about him. Yes. This one does not get the attention that Dante Miller got there. Miles Boykin, third-round pick of the Ravens back in 2019 from Notre Dame. And he started off with a decent start to his career and has quickly turned into Quasimodo. 198 yards there back in 2019, 266 yards in 2020. So nothing crazy, but a legitimate part of your receiving core at that point, a back-end receiver. Since those two years, he's had just 34 yards the last three seasons with 41 games. Just one start. It sounds like a stellar, stellar practice squad guy. Camp body. Yeah. What do you need someone to fill that roster? What are you going to get? camp body uh yeah um and yeah I mean again you need those kind of guys for for training camp um I'm okay with that uh I just don't expect him to make the roster no yeah um so yeah we'll see what happens there um And I'm looking here because there's a question I don't know the answer to, by the way, from Mark. So I'm kind of like trying to find out. Yeah, it's got to be the same thing. I'm literally Googling it. Okay, I think I found it. So we'll go over to that in a minute. We'll go back to the questions there, Mark. I think I found the story. One more bit of news here that I'm hoping is happy news. But I got to say, guys, I'm cautiously optimistic about this news because it was presented as happy news. But sometimes this happens also for bad reasons. But it's presented as good, so I'm going to take it as good. Isabella Strahan, the daughter of Michael Strahan, who revealed she had cancer early this year, shared on YouTube that she'll be completing her chemo treatments in May when she was originally scheduled to have treatments through June. Typically, there's two reasons you cancel treatments. Very good reasons or very bad reasons. Again, it was presented as happy news, so I'm going to take it as the very good. And I hope that's what it is. And obviously, we'll continue to keep our prayers there. So I'm sure many Giants fans will. But probably, to be very honest, just fans of Michael Strahan in general because he's had that kind of post-playing career. But... That's something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy at that point, having their kid who's supposed to be going off to college, building a life and stuff like that, having to deal with cancer. That's not cool. That's one of those things that just never seems fair when you read about it. Let's get into more happy news, though. Let's go to the NFL news here, which some of it's not so happy there either. Just fair warning. We're going to go into it. It's the news around the league here. I read this today. Bears wide receiver Tyler Scott changed his uniform number from 13 to 10. Now, there is two reasons you could sit there and say that. They got Keenan Allen in the offseason, who used to always play and wear number 13 for the Chargers for many years. But they're also planning on drafting somebody first overall who wears number 13 in college. So people are going to read into that either way at that point. I didn't think it's that big of a thing, but what the hell. We'll throw it out there for you guys at that point there because it kind of gives you another tea leaf to the obvious news that Caleb Williams will be drafted first overall soon. Chiefs wide receiver Rasheed Rice. We didn't talk about earlier when everything started going down with him at that point there, but we'll give you a little bit of news now that he has officially gotten the rest of work for him stemming from a hit-and-run incident he had a few days ago in Dallas. I think it was a Lamborghini and a Corvette were racing at ridiculously high speeds or something like that. Yeah, I believe it was a Lamborghini. Yeah, so... Yeah, apparently what I heard, like it wasn't He wasn't driving. It was a rental. It was Fred, but he rented it. Was it past midnight? Herm Edwards says nothing good happens after midnight. Nope. I disagree with him, but I don't have that kind of lifestyle where I get into high-speed chases with a Lamborghini and a Corvette. That's not my life. My life is where I went to a dive bar and had way too many drinks. And was probably home before midnight because I did pass my bedtime. No, no. I'm still out there until 1, 2 o'clock. No problem. I also take a nap beforehand. I was about to say, so you're cheating. All right. I'm cheating. I'm a cheater here. I'm a guy old enough where I'm taking naps before I go out. It is what it is. Let's have a cup of coffee. Naps work, I'm telling you. Then I have a beer and then my coffee's work. they work. Um, I want to go over with you guys. I don't think it giants somewhat related because these two players will probably be linked for a little bit here, potentially right now. Um, You have a new contract there by Josh Allen who signed a five-year $150 million contract. And I've seen some people in social media now start comparing him and Brian Burns because Brian Burns obviously signed a five-year $142 million contract with incentives that will take it to the same $150 million that Josh Allen got. Here's where it started. There's one specific post I have up at that point that kind of annoyed me that's going to show it this way. They kind of compared last season specifically. So, yeah, if you're going to compare against a guy with 17.5 sacks against a guy with 8 sacks, yeah, it's not going to look very good. But when you get into the actual career of it, and I only give you guys this information because I don't want other people seeing this and being not aware of Josh Allen's career as a whole because everybody looks at the last season and that's it. For their careers, and keep in mind, they were both the same exact class. They both have five years in the league now. Josh Allen has 45 career sacks. Brian Burns has 46. Burns has 246 tackles in his career. Allen, 251. Burns has 59 tackles for loss. Allen, 53. Very similar career numbers. The main difference is Josh Allen had 17 sacks last year. And in the prior three seasons combined, had 17 sacks. He had one spectacular season that for all we know is a career year. I'm not saying I hope that. He seemed by all accounts to be a good kid, so hopefully that continues for him. I got no hate for the Jaguars. Brian Burns, on the other hand, is a guy who has been more of a consistent guy. He's been that 8-12 sack guy for his whole career, basically. On top of that, He's played on really, really crappy offenses where the opposing team for the second half is basically running the ball nonstop just to end the game already. So he doesn't have as many opportunities to rush the passer that Josh Allen has because he has Trevor Lawrence up opposite him. He also has never had a good second rusher, which as much trash talk as we had about Trayvon Walker's rookie season, he had 10 sacks last year. Yeah, can't take that away. He was a good second rusher for the Jaguars. So there's a lot of reasons that Brian Burns, when you look at the numbers, you can sit there and say Josh Allen's a better player. And listen, based on last year, I would tell you Josh Allen is a better player. But for their career, they're very similar numbers-wise. I just want to kind of put that out there for people because I'm hearing a lot of comparisons now to Brian Burns and Josh Allen because, again, same year drafted, same year getting the big contract, and the contracts were very similar. But people are looking at the 17 sacks, the one year with Josh Allen, going, what the hell? Brian Burns is not that player. Technically, for his career, Josh Allen hasn't been that player. If you can't look at one year, guys, you've got to look at a career. Unless it's a one-year contract. Then you can go, okay, I'll take a shot so you can repeat it. But that's a lot of money to give to a guy off one year. What if he goes back to doing 17 sacks the next three seasons combined? Yeah, if he starts to have six sacks a year. Yeah, and Brian Burns is still doing nine or ten. You're going to see Brian Burns, the better player in the long run. So we'll see who has the better career overall. It's not to say either scenario will happen. I'm just saying, don't look at just last year's stats, guys, because there's a lot more to stats. Like Mark Twain said, there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics. Mm-hmm. He wasn't wrong there. All right. That ends the show here for you guys here today. So keep in mind, again, it's Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, which means we're back tomorrow. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. And like I said, guys, we will be back here a lot lately for you guys. So again, we've got everything already scheduled out for you guys. Keep in mind, we'll have the week of the draft. We're going to be live. I won't say live every day. We'll have an episode every day. Whether we'll be live, we'll figure out based on me and Rob's schedule at that point. Maybe we'll have to do one pre-recorded there at that point. But we'll have a fresh episode for you guys every single day that week. So to give you guys the rundown here real quick of where we're at here because some people have been asking where we're at and what's going on here because we still have some things to cover. We've got a lot of news leading up to the week of the draft there to give you a final mock draft and that kind of stuff like we did last year. So we have for you guys here tomorrow. Tomorrow we're going to be going into the top edge rushers in the draft. Next week we're going to go into top quarterbacks on Monday, top defensive line slash defensive tackles on Wednesday, and the top mid-round quarterbacks quarterback prospects on Thursday. Going with the guys like Spencer Rattler, Michael Pratt from Tulane, Joe Milton from Tennessee, those kind of guys there. Then the real fun starts, the week of the draft. So Monday we'll do our last mock draft there for you guys. I messed up the schedule myself at that point there. You're being silly. I did. You know what I didn't do? I didn't schedule one for a day, I feel like. I did. I missed a day. I missed a day. So we're going to have to figure out something for the 18th. I didn't put it in there. We'll figure something out. We got you guys. I'll probably move the quarterbacks to that day so we have that stuff out of the way for you guys there. But again, we got an ultimate mock draft the week of the draft of the last of the New York Giants mock drafts. We're going to do a complete first round mock draft the day before the first round for you guys as well. Kind of give you guys a prep and get ready for everything going on there. Again, as we were last year, we will be live the first two nights there for the entire first three rounds of the NFL draft. And then Saturday night, that will also have an episode for you guys there, running down all the guys that we drafted on Saturday as well. So you got tons of draft coverage still coming your way, guys. Tons of draft coverage. So... We will see you guys again tomorrow to talk about the edge rushers there. We had a lot of nice teams coming out there. And, of course, as always, Giant fans, remember we are live on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter slash X, Twitch, Instagram, and, of course, Rob's favorite, my LinkedIn profile. Drew's LinkedIn page. And, of course, we're available the next day on all the audio podcast platforms, big on Apple Podcasts there, but also, of course, on Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon, Google Podcasts, all the big names there. So appreciate you guys listening. As always, we will see you guys again tomorrow. Tomorrow. We'll talk about Ed Rushers tomorrow. Tomorrow. It's only a day away. Bless you guys, as always. See you in 22 hours. And as always, Giant fans, Go G-Man! Go G-Man! Go G-Man! Thanks for listening to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. We appreciate your support. Thanks so much.

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