Best IOL Prospects For The 2024 NFL Draft

In this episode, we explore the top interior offensive linemen (IOL) prospects in the highly anticipated 2024 NFL Draft.

Guards (G):

Graham Barton - Duke: A versatile lineman who played left tackle in college but is projected to transition to guard in the NFL. Despite issues with high-end speed rushers, Barton's agility and pulling skills make him a late first-round pick.

Cooper Beebe - Kansas State: Beebe, with a strong base and intelligence, played multiple positions in college but saw most snaps at left guard. His length and footwork are areas for improvement, making him a late second-round prospect.

Christian Haynes - Connecticut: A road-grading right guard with average mobility, Haynes is considered a late second to third-round pick due to his slow start and movement.

Christian Mahogany - Boston College: Mahogany, primarily a right guard, displays strength and good technique but struggles with forward leaning and hand placement. He's projected as a third-round pick.

Zak Zinter - Michigan: Zinter, a right guard with impressive size and intelligence, faces concerns about his recovery from a broken tibia and fibula. He's expected to go in the third to fourth round.

Trevor Keegan - Michigan: With solid fundamentals but limitations in athleticism, Keegan is projected as a day three pick due to his length and pad level issues.

Javion Cohen - Miami: Cohen, a left guard, possesses agility and good footwork but struggles with short arms and aggressiveness. He's considered a day three prospect.

Lauden Robinson - Texas A&M: Quick off the snap but lacking athleticism, Robinson is projected as a day three pick with strengths in pass blocking and hand usage.

Centers (C):

Jackson Powers-Johnson - Oregon: A mean-streak center with quickness and strength, Powers-Johnson is a late first-round prospect despite rawness and issues against experienced rushers.

Zach Frazier - West Virginia: Frazier, known for excellent run blocking and a strong anchor, faces concerns about lateral movement. He's projected as a second-round pick.

Sedrick Van Pran - Georgia: An athletic and agile center with inconsistent pass protection technique, Van Pran is expected to go in the late second to third round.

Beaux Limmer - Arkansas: Limmer, displaying intelligence and good range, faces pass protection issues and overaggressiveness. He's a third to fourth-round prospect.

Hunter Nourzad - Penn State: With quick feet and agility, Nourzad is projected as a day three pick due to concerns about pass protection technique.

Tanor Bortolini - Wisconsin: Bortolini, an athletic center with struggles in maintaining blocks, is considered a day three prospect due to his aggressiveness.

These prospects offer a mix of strengths and weaknesses, providing NFL teams with various options to bolster their offensive lines in the upcoming draft.

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Transcript

Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. Are you a goofball that loves Giants football? If so, sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much. And now, here are your goofball hosts, Drew and Rob. Welcome fellow goofballs to Two Giant Goofballs and York Giants Podcast. I am Drew, joined as always by... I'm me, Avrav. And let's talk about that O-O-O line. The inside O-line. Oh yes, the inside. O-Line. Oh. Oh. Oh. O'Reilly's Photo Parts. Sponsor, but no cake. Yeah. That'd be pretty impressive. Yeah, seriously, if they want a sponsorship, feel free to message us at 2giantgoofballs at mail.com. We haven't done that in a while. Yeah, so today we're going to talk about the inside offensive linemen, guys. Listen. We go through each group, and we're going to be the first one to say, this is not the sexy group I know. It's not that sexy. If this was the swimsuit calendar edition here, it'd be like May, where it's not quite summertime, where it's not warm to go to the beach, but it's not quite wintertime, and if you get presents, it's just somewhere in the middle. November. No November getting presents soon. You can eat a big turkey. It's okay. It's a good month. It's more about the stuff around it, not so much the centerpiece. You're the guy that reads that magazine for the articles, aren't you? There's some great jokes in there. They don't even make that, man. I think Playboy's gone, isn't it? I don't think so. I think it's just the website now. I don't know. I don't pretend to be an expert on it. People buy for the articles. Connor, where are you at? it's like he's like after that I buy something else All right, guys. So I got to be honest with you. This is not a sexy group. We're doing the worst sales pitch ever for this episode, by the way. It's not a sexy group. It's also not a very well deep and talented group either. We talked about the tackles there a couple weeks ago. There's a huge amount of tackles. And some of these tackles that we talked about, like I said, might even get converted over to become guards. Part of that. is because there's not a lot of great guards out there there's a couple of them there's a couple of great centers there's actually a better group of centers there are guards as weird as that sounds I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the guys that are centers actually get drafted and then converted over to be guards for somebody who needs a guard. I know that some of them already had that talk there, including the Giants talking to one specific that we'll talk about there in this episode about converting over to guard. It happens. And some of these guys were former guards even, so it's actually not as crazy a move as it sounds. Yeah. Let's get into, we're going to start off with the guards here for you guys here. And we got eight guards that we're going to talk about. I know it's a very random number here, but we're talking about eight guards here today. Once I started going past that, there were so many guards that are in the next tier at that point that it was hard to figure out which one I want to go with. There's so many that are close together as far as, you know, talent wise there. So we went with the top eight, the top eight. And the first one, number eight, Loudon Robinson. Oh, yes, and everything's bigger in Texas, including their guards, as Loudon Robinson is 6'4", 315 pounds. That's a behemoth of a man. 22 years old, played 12 games in 22, played another 11 games last season there with a 65.8 PFF. So not the greatest, and this is what I'm saying. Really, this guy made the list at 65.8 PFF. When I say that this is not the most impressive group in the world, I wasn't kidding. Played right guard entirely his entire career. As far as pros, he's quick off the snap, strong, good use of hands, and a good pass blocker. As far as the cons, his run blocking is really 100% what's made his PFF so low. It's not the best, that's for sure, to put it nicely. Just not very athletic overall. He's fooled by stunts. He's not good in open space, which is where really his issues come into run play. I feel like there's people that have easy, good fundamentals that can pass block very well. It's like you just sit there and don't let someone get past you. To me, it's a much easier thing to pass block. It almost... It befuddles me when somebody who's an interior offensive lineman has trouble. You start talking tackles, now it's different. You've got to guard the edge. You've got to stop people from getting outside of you, that kind of stuff. But when you're a center or a guard, it's very simple. You've got your lanes. You're in the center lane. No one can pass you. Protect the A and B gap at that point. Protect your left and right. That's all that matters. Whereas when you're running the ball, Now they got to move. They might have to pull. They might have to shift over to stop the tackle so the center can go and stop the other tackle on the side. There's a lot of movement. There's a lot of more moving parts to it overall. It's a lot more complicated. I'll say this. When I got a guy who's good at pass blocking, that tells me there's ability It's a lack of, to me, a lack of knowledge and a lack of finishing and honing your craft, so to speak. And when you're 22 years old, I can forgive that to a certain degree. But it's got to be really, really good when I see that pass block. I'm not sure it's that good out of Robinson. So I think where he's going to end up is more of a backup guard in this league who might get the occasional spot start because of injury or desperation. Yeah, I mean, that's where I see it. You're looking more of a... He's almost like a brick wall. Yeah. He doesn't really move so well. Except Mexico's not paying for it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Maybe the Patriots will. No. No, like I said, he's got it. Listen, this is a guy that if you're a pass-heavy team and you think you can teach him, somebody might take a shot at developing this guy. But he's a developmental prospect is what he is. You know, I got a day three greater than him overall. I could see him going anywhere in day three. Nothing would shock me. You know, probably towards the higher, like around four, around five kind of thing there. But this is a guy that, again, if you think you can train him to run block better. and you can get him up to where he's a respectable guard, then go for it. But you got to know there's going to be time in that. This is not the guy you draft and just plug in a right guard and go, okay, I got my right guard at the future. I'm good to go. You're going to have to let him sit on the bench for a year or two, hone the craft, learn to get better, and then hopefully have him take over. This is almost like the move you make if let's say you have a guy who's one or two years away from free agency and you want a cheaper option sitting behind him. Pretty much, yeah. That's exactly what it is. And that's why he's going to go to day three. And I wouldn't even be surprised if he falls to mid. He might go higher just because of the lack of depth. It's crazy. You're talking about the eighth best guard and we're saying he's a day three talent. You're not wrong. It's crazy. Some people will potentially reach if the guys ahead of him are gone at that point there. I don't know. Like I said, I got issues overall with him. I just feel like like I said, to me the pass protection is not that great, but I'm like, oh my God. I can ignore how bad he is at run blocking because he's that good at pass blocking. and that's the biggest issue I have with them if you were a stud at one I could forgive the one being not so good but when you're okay at the one and good at the one but not great and the other one's bad Like I said, that's why he's going to fall to D3, I think, in my eyes. We'll see. I've been wrong before. Who knows? Somebody might fall in love with him. Somebody might say, okay, I talked to this kid. I fell in love with his personality. I think he can learn pretty quickly. He picked up what we were putting down in the interview, that kind of stuff. You never know what happens behind the scenes in that stuff there. All right. Number seven. Number seven. Oh, yes. Not to be confused with 7-Eleven. JV on Cohen. Oh, yes. And he may be a little confused there going, wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on a second here. In the photo, he had a University of Miami jersey on. In the videos, he had an Alabama jersey on. And that's because he went to both. He played last year at Miami. But prior to that, he played three seasons in Tuscaloosa. Roll Tide. Alabama. Alabama. I love messing with Alabama fans. Am I the only one? If I see an Alabama fan, I have to say Roll Tide. Just to get all excited and say it back. It's hilarious. It's like they came and helped themselves. It's like going to somebody and going, Oh, you're an Alabama fan, huh? Roll Tide. They're like, You have to troll. It's almost like Russell Wilson last season or two seasons ago. Let's ride. No matter how bad they were doing, let's ride. Listen, they've been doing pretty good for quite a while. Anyway, Cohen's 6'4", 305 pounds. Now, this is another one of those rare cases where literally nobody lists his age online. It's really weird to me when that happens. I don't understand why some places just don't have ages on people. I look everywhere. I look at Wikipedia. I look at Pro Football Reference, which has their college version as well. I forget the name of that one off the top of my head. but they have a college version of it as well. PFF, all these different websites. I'll even just search like JV on Cohen age and like nothing comes up. It's the weirdest thing. What I can tell you is he started college in 2020. So what that tells you is he's probably born around 20, you know, 2002 around there. So that would put him around 22 years old. Again, give or take a year, the direction at that point there, depending on when he was born and that kind of stuff. Anyway, played in 12 games in 22. Played in 12 games in 23 as well with just a 59.4 PFF grade, guys. really poor PFF grade there. And a lot of it was the tape at that point there. You look at it and you watch him play. And I think, honestly, we talked about it before where sometimes there's guys like Lloyd at USC, the running backs. We talked about him moving from South Carolina to USC, and that was a great move for him. I think Cohen going to Miami was a bad move. I think him going to a team like that and having to learn to block with these guys like that, I think it just didn't work out. I think it just was a bad move. I go back to his Alabama tape, and to me, it was better. I'm not saying it was stellar, but it was better. And I think he had issues just not knowing who was around him as much at that point, not having that level of trust like that that you develop being on a team together for a couple of years. You know, I think he just wasn't as comfortable for whatever reason. Plays left guard specifically. As far as the pros, good footwork. He's smart. He's agile. He's good on pulls. So this is a guy that has the things that you can't teach, and that's part of what puts him up there in this category, even with the horrible tape he had last year. You know, good footwork, you either got it or you don't. It's like when you go out to dance before, and one guy looks like a fool, one guy looks like he knows what he's doing. You either got that or you don't. Yeah, Drew, when you go out there, when you got two left feet, yeah. I don't have two left feet, but I do get drunk and break dance and do all kinds of crazy stuff. I actually did that last time I went to a club. I was like, here, hold my beer. It broke down and smelled the floor. It was fun. You're like, what is this guy doing? I didn't have the cardboard. I wish I did. I've made it so much better. But, you know, like I said, having good football IQs, you have it or you don't. Having good footwork, you have it or you don't. Being agile, you are or you aren't. These are things you can't teach. And that's what, like I said, puts them on here. Now, the cons for him... He's got short arms, even for a guard. And they kind of hurt him to a certain extent there. And he's not overly aggressive at the snap. And he's not overly aggressive in general. You know, you want that mean streak at that point in alignment? He just doesn't have it. Now, I'm not sure, again... If that is something that can be trained. You either have it or you don't typically. It's a personality trait thing. I just think he's going to struggle at the next level. And I think he's probably going to be relegated to a backup. But... I'd actually be curious to see what he could do at the center position, and I have heard some rumors that some people would want to actually convert him over to a center and see if having those shorter arms, putting him more inside helps because you got more help on the outside there with the two guards on both sides as opposed to the tackle trying to watch the edge there at that point. Like I said, I've seen that. been thrown up. I don't know if anybody's actually put him at the position to see what he can do yet. But again, he's got some good traits that you can't teach. And I think, again, we seem to be talking about with Robinson. If you feel like you've talked to him and you feel like he's understanding what you're trying to teach him when you're in interviews process and stuff like that with him and you want to take the shot, there's not a lot of great guards in this draft. Sometimes you have to go with your gut instincts. If you were going to come into this draft going, you know what? I need a guard. top ones are gone. Who we got left and who interviewed very well and who do we think is teachable? Who's the guy that we think we see potential in? Yeah, they may, just like you said, they may look at the Alabama team and be like, wow, this guy's a stud. And they go back to Miami and be like, oh, maybe the guy partied a little too much when he was shooting and partying or maybe this guy didn't gel with the team that he went over to. Yeah, you never know what happens behind the scenes. The interview will definitely help break that down. Break it down. Break it down. But yeah, I mean, this is where a lot of that background stuff that we don't have access to is what makes the difference. I have him also as a day three selection as well. And again, where he's going to go in day three is going to depend on probably on just that, where those interviews were and how people thought of him personality wise, how culturally thought he was, that kind of stuff. And also how fast a couple of these other guys are going to go. Oh, yeah. I think some guys will actually go faster than they should. Purely. Purely because of the fact that, again, it's a weak class. I think you'll start seeing some people go, okay, there's only a couple good guards left. We got to take one now. That's what I said. There's going to be desperation picks. Yeah. And I don't mean the Calvin Klein. Oh, geez. Next up, we have Trevor Keegan. I got to say. Michigan State, no surprise there. Michigan, not Michigan State. You will say Michigan State. That's a different uniform. Their uniform is green. You're 100% right. Oh, my God. You're not a Spartan. They're a Wolverine. God damn it. Yeah. Stop it, bub. Hey, bub. Everybody's on the X-Men 97 thing now. But yeah, I got to say, I don't look at a lot of stuff as far as personality, marketability kind of stuff when it comes to a lot of the players when I look at them. And I like to just look at, okay, how good of a player is he? Side note before we get into that. Whoever gets this guy, he's got a goddamn personality. This is a guy that's going to be like that guy that's like your offensive lineman that's not spectacular, but people just love because he's crazy and says stupid shit. That's what he's going to be. You notice him in the thing with the whole video and all of the thing, and he's got the eye black all over his eye and his cheeks and everything like that. This guy's got a personality. I'm telling you, you watch him whenever the camera gets on him, and he just lights up. And there's something about that kind of guy. It makes you think not only is he that guy on the camera because he just loves getting the center of attention. But this is the fun guy in the locker room. This is the guy that, you know, let's go get some beers. I'm not saying crazy like let's go get drunk and be out until 4 o'clock in the morning. But, you know, the guy just does team building kind of stuff. He just strikes me as that guy. And, again, I'm not in the interview room, so I'm not trying to say that I know the guy personally or something like that. It's just the vibe I get from watching this guy, the way he is on the sidelines, the way he is in interviews and stuff like that, kind of like a Gronkowski kind of personality, you know? Yeah. He's serious. He wants to win. I'm not saying he's a jackass, but he's that fun-loving guy. Yeah, I was also going to go with Jason Kelsey. No, because Kelsey is much more serious. I think he's got more personality than Kelsey. Kelsey's much more serious. If anything, Travis Kelsey brings Jason Kelsey's personality out more. Okay, that's fair enough. Um, anyway, Zach, Zach, I was wrong one. I'm sorry. Wrong. Michigan, Trevor Keegan, um, six foot six, 320 pounds, 23 years old, played 11 games in 22, 15 games in, uh, uh, 23 with a 68.6 PFF grade played left guard exclusively. As far as the pros, size, fundamentals, good technique. And that's a theme you're going to see in a lot of Michigan guys. We talk about Michigan guys here. We've already talked about a couple of them here. Michigan offensive linemen are well coached as a whole. That is why they had the offense they had. They were road graders. They're going to run the ball down your goddamn throat. Old school smash mouth football. That's what these guys are. As far as the cons for him, he is coming off a broken tibia and fibula. So he's got an injury he's trying to come back from. He's a little slow off the snap, and to be honest, kind of slow in general. He doesn't have the athleticism that you want necessarily from the position. But if you're okay with a guard who just sits there and does his job, then this might be the guy for you at that point there. Like I said, he's not a bad guard. I have him kind of as a lower level starter to a high-end backup, depending on, again, how he develops in the NFL there. And I have him going like a third, a fourth round. I'm sorry, day three kind of. I'm sorry, I got two Michigan guys back-to-back. We'll talk about that in a second here. My eyes are going to the wrong spot here. But I have him as a day three pick. But I think he's an early day three pick. I think somebody will take him like the fourth round. And like I said, I think whoever gets him, is going to get one of those personality types the media team and and you know marketing are going to freaking love you know every so often the team gets that kind of offensive vibe people love like like nick gates was that kind of guy for the giants yes he was just a fun good guy nobody said a bad word about him he he kind of lightened up the mood always he would always laugh and having a good time with teammates and stuff like that That's going to be Keegan in the NFL. That's going to be his personality. Like I said, I think if you're a team that's maybe having some chemistry issues, especially on the offensive line side, that's something to look at because this is a guy who I think has that ability to bring people together. Maybe I'm reading too much into what I see in interviews and all. Like I said, because I've been in sales and had so much different training on sales, I've always been pretty decent at picking stuff up. And it's just the vibe I get when I look at Keegan and the way he acts with his teammates, the way he acts with the press and everything, is he's going to be that kind of personality. And there's a value to that. Beyond what he does in the field, there's a value to that as well. 100%. Listen, you got five guys on up on the line, and they all want to do their own thing, go in different ways. You can go your own way. Go your own way. But if you've got a guy that brings everyone together, look at the Avengers. Oh, my God. Talk about five years too late. But they're good individually. But together, the Avengers assembled. To me, my X-Men. Yeah. Have you watched the X-Men 97 yet, by the way? I have not. Yeah. You have to watch it. It's spectacular. Spectacular. Three episodes in. Seven more to go. Part of me just kind of wants to wait a few more weeks so I can binge watch it. I'm saying it's so good you have to watch it. Especially if you're like me, I can't help but watch the spoilers. Yeah. And then that ruins it. Or I'll see an article like blah blah blah and blah blah blah get together this week on blah blah blah. And I'm like, god damn it, I didn't watch blah blah blah yet this week. Well, I've been dodging all that. It's going to happen. You're going to see it eventually. All right. On to number five. Number five. So I can stop getting them confused. Now we're on our second guy from Michigan. Zach Zinter. By the way, I love the tattoo on his arm. You see what it said? It said product of the trenches. Hmm. it's a it's a I thought that was pretty cool it's a it's a I thought that was pretty cool it's a I thought that was pretty cool um um um and I have to say with his name he and I have to say with his name he and I have to say with his name he definitely is a zenner definitely is a zenner definitely is a zenner this is definitely about those ends When you want to know who's last on the NFL Players Association list to call or to tell about anything going on, it's going to be Zach Zinter. Because no matter which way you go, first name or last name, he is at the bottom of the list there. Zach is 6'6", 322 pounds. Another big boy there. We don't really have any undersized linemen really coming up out of this group, which has been kind of interesting. Usually you get one or two that's like, oh, he's 290, but maybe we think if he can put on some weight. No, these are all big boys already. Played 14 games in 22, played 12 in 23 with a 76.6 PFF grade. We finally are getting into the better grades here. Right guard. Pros on him. Strong, huge size, as we mentioned there. Smart and good technique. And you know what I just realized is that I gave off the wrong information on Trevor. So, hold on. See, this is what happened. I can't have two people back-to-back from the same school. So, Trevor Keegan was the issue, was length, not athletic, and he lowers pad level. That was the cons on him. I'd have read the cons on Zach instead. Zach is the one coming off the broken tibia and fibula and slow to the snap and just slow in general. If you look at his tape, though, one thing this guy is, is he's that mauler guard at that point. If you need a guy who's just strong and is going to beat the guy in front of him with pure strength, this is your guy. If you're looking for the guy who's mobile, going to be pulling, going to go five yards down the field to get the second level at that point, he's not your guy. But what he does do, he does do very well. If you can accept the limitations and you can work within those limitations, Zach Sinner is going to be one of those guys that's going to be very good for you at that point. But again, you have to accept the limitations of what he can't do. But look at what happened with Blake Orem this year. We talked about a lot of the linemen. You notice this is the third lineman that we're talking. Just in the interior. Talked about the center already. We're talking about the two guards. We talked about the center. We did our episode on the father and son combos there from the NFL. And their center just missed the cut. If I added one more, he would have already been the guy on there probably. Yeah. These guys are just solid. They're fundamental. They're guys who are just guys that maul people. That's what they are. They're just big boys that use their size. If that's your running style, you're good. You're solid. If you want to do the whole let's run outside, let's pull five different linemen, just do all kinds of crazy stuff, you're not going to like them. Yeah, no. This is... You know, Zach and Trevor, they kind of scream to me like old school patriots. Why did I say old school like five years ago? Yeah, I mean, they'd be Belichick people 100%. Yeah. 100%. Just lunch pail, do your job, smash the guy's head in. Kind of guys. That's what they are. Keep everyone out. Let's go. Like I said, I like them both. I think they're both going to be good guys in the NFL for a while there. It's just a matter of Zach has more talent, I think, and Trevor's got a little more leadership and personality at that point. We were talking about the broken tibble and fibbler too. I don't expect it coming back, but some of these guys, when they break, because that's a Straight up like your foot's hanging off. Oh, yeah. That's your shin bone, your calf bone is what that is. Yeah. So when you get a break like that, some of these guys, they lose some weight and they get a little more finesse. Yeah. They build up the agility. Does it make a difference on the football field? Time will tell because he is a big guy. Yeah, I mean, but you got four to six months, when I look it up here, is the typical healing time. So if that is the case, what we're talking about there, he's going to be right in that time period right now. Yeah. You also got to look at, did he tear any ligaments when that happened? To the best of my knowledge, no. Obviously, I don't have his medical, so. A lot of times your delta ligament tears off that. Sometimes you get your Achilles. Usually not because it's kind of in the back and then you get the other one on the other side. The MCL of the ligament is down there. The hip bone is connected to the cap bone. The cap bone is connected to the tibia. But those ligaments are what's going to take longer to heal than the actual bone. Yeah, like I said, everything I've seen on him is just straight bone break and that's it. There's no issue with the actual ligaments at all. So if that's the case, like I said, he'd be back in four to six months and good to go and be strong as new. But again, I don't have the medical. Same here. We'll have to see how that is. Alrighty, next up we have Christian mahogany, which is a very elegant name, mahogany. Like a solid table or a cabinet. Sounds like a good centerpiece. Exactly. From Boston College. I know I did the accident at Boston College. It's not like Harvard. It is what it is. Mahogany, 6'3", 322 pounds, 23 years old, did not play at all in the 22 season because of a torn ACL, which means the Giants are definitely targeting this guy in the draft. 100%. Like, if we got the guy free. That's why I swear we're still getting Penex. Like, ooh, two ACL tears. Excellent. So, did play 12 games in 23 at a 74.9 PFF grade. And what do we always say about people coming off ACL tears? The first year? Way worse than normal. Exactly. So that's why even though he has a lower grade than Zach, he's a little higher up there at that point. He's also got versatility, which Zach does not provide there. So he played 32 snaps at right tackle, two snaps at left tackle, and everything else was over at right guard. But he has moved around at least a little bit. He's shown a little flexibility. if he ends up being a backup, that's key. You want a guy with a little bit of flexibility if he's going to be a backup. You don't want a guy that you only see in one position and you have no clue what he can do with the rest at that point. But like I said, mainly he's playing right guard there at Boston College. As far as the pros, strong hands, good off the snap, very good against stunts as well. He picks those up pretty well. And he's also a pretty good puller. As far as the cons, he leans forward too much at times there. So you want to get that center of gravity with a good anchor at that point where someone can just push you over or literally just knock you over at that point there. His gravity is a little too much forward at that point, which puts you a little more susceptible to spin moves and rips and stuff like that. Then he also has a little bit of hand trouble as well. He's got good hands, but every so often he gets caught using those hands. It's tricky. I still think of the snowboarding game whenever I hear that sound. That game was good back in the day. But yeah, like I said, I think this is now, like I said, we're talking with him and Center and a couple of the guys coming up. Now we got the guys that legit have a chance to start as a rookie. And Mahogany does. Again, he's going to play probably better next year than he did this year in college because it's now one more year removed away from their I think he's probably going to go around the third round, and he's going to go to a team that just needs a right guard probably because, again, we've seen him mostly at that, but they're going to know in the back of their mind if he doesn't win the starting spot, he's got a little bit of flexibility because he's played both tackle positions there as well. So I think he'll be a decent player in this league, though. I don't think he's going to be every star, but I think he will develop into a solid guard in this league here overall. I agree, and actually – Because the lack of depth in this spot, in this draft, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes late second round. Possible. Possible. Especially, it depends what happens with the first three guys, obviously, there. And how desperate a team is for a guard there. Next up. Next up. We have another Christian. It's like Sunday morning all over again. Christian Haynes. Hey. Oh yes, there he is. Christian Haines out of Yukon. You don't see a lot of guys out of Connecticut and I'm a little scared of guys after Matt Pertis never came from. I think so. So 6'2", 313 pounds. No age on him. Again, another guy with no age. He started off at UConn in 2018, so you got to think he's probably around 24 years old. Played 13 games in 22, 12 games this past year with an 80.2 PFF grade. Now, you got to also remember when you see 80.2 PFF grade, he's playing UConn. He's not playing SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12. There's a little difference there in the quality of opponents he has. There's also obviously a difference in the teammates he has as well. So you got to take that part of the consideration as well. But he did what you want from a guy at that point who plays in a lesser conference. He excelled. As far as the pros, he's a pure road grader. This is a run-blocking, like, stud kind of guy at that point. You need some, you know, like a Hightower from Police Academy kind of, like, blow the hole open kind of guy. Like, that's what he is. You know, he's going to be a guy who's going to go ahead and move people for you. Um, he's also a very smart player. He's got a good football IQ where he sees people are moving in at that point where they're trying to go into the gap at that point. And I've seen him move where all of a sudden he's pushing one guy and all of a sudden you see him kind of push his guy into the other guy. That's about it. He knows he's about to try to get into that gap. He's got that kind of football IQ going. Um, So the big issue with him is he's a slow start guy. He's another one of those guys that's got average as far as agility and speed at that point there. Definitely has some issues with momentum as far as keeping some of his blocks going long term, especially in pass protection. But again... 80.2 PFF grade. That's a legit grade there. And he did very well at UConn. It's just a matter of how much does that translate to the NFL. There's a decent jump going from the NFL from UConn. That's a basketball school. That's not a football school. That's what they are. Yeah. But I think he's going to make the transition. I think he'll probably have a little bit of a rougher rookie season because I think there will be some growing pains, so to speak, going that kind of growth to, you know, again, from UConn to the NFL. But I think he's going to develop into a pretty solid guard in this league. He'll be that guy you look at as like, okay, well, I don't got to worry about this guy. He's got a spot. He's got that right guard spot locked down. I don't got to worry about that position because I have him. That's the kind of guy he's going to be. He's not going to be the pro bowl guy. He's not going to be the all pro guy. He's going to be the guy that is locked down his position and you don't worry about him for the next five, six years at that point there once he's got everything going. So not a bad guy to have around. That's for sure. Alrighty, we got two more guys here. And these are the guys that are like the solid. These are like the guys that you just pop in day one. You have no concerns whatsoever. First one. First one is possibly one of the coolest names in all of football. Yeah. Cooper BB. All right, here we go. We're hanging with Mr. Cooper here. Six foot four, 335 out of Kansas State. 22 years old, does turn 23 in May, so he'll be 23 this season. Played 14 games in 22, played another 13 there last season with an 83.9 PFF grade. One of the things I love about this guy here is the versatility he provides. So the last two years, he's played mostly at left guard. But he's played everywhere except for center at his college career. Here's his snaps by position. 774 snaps at left tackle. 1,738 snaps at left guard. 25 at right guard and 103 at right tackle. What that tells me is this is a guy that has been put in multiple positions and done well. And hypothetically, let's say, this is one of the things I was looking at. Call me negative. Rob, you should probably do it. He does it all the time. But I like to look at not just what the possibilities are development-wise, but I like to look at the here. So what's the floor on this guy? And I think Cooper's one of those guys that I think is going to excel in this league. I really do. I think he's going to be a guy that you just plug in that position for 10 years solid and just keep on going. Worst comes to worst, though. He's a guy who's played everywhere pretty much on that line, again, except for center. And he'd be one hell of a backup. That's his floor. I don't think he'll go near to that floor. I really don't. But I find it hard to believe that a guy who's one of the best guards in college football just all of a sudden just forgets how to play and can't hack it at all in the NFL. I think he's a very safe pick because of that. And I have him as a late second round kind of guy. I think that's where he'll end up going. And I think he's the best pure guard in this draft. And what I mean by that is the guy we're going to talk about number one in a minute didn't play guard in college. This is the best pure guard. And I don't think he gets enough hype for some reason in this draft. I don't know why. But for whatever reason, he's just not talked about a lot. And I think that that's kind of, you know, it's kind of like one of those guys that, you know, every so often in a draft, the guy just kind of falls to the crack. This is that guy, I think. Yeah, I mean, we've already talked about it. The most sexy position in football is quarterback. We're in a quarterback heavy draft. The long snapper is the sexiest. The long snapper, yes. But you also got a pretty good wide receiver. Yes. The long snapper of the movie. But there's other sexier positions. that are going in this draft. So when you talk about the best at this legit... When you talk about the tackles, there's a lot of tackles getting hype. There's not a lot of guards getting hype. And don't get me wrong. We talked about it. There's not a lot of depth to it. It's kind of top-heavy. But there's some good guards here still. And this is one of them. And for whatever reason, he's just not getting any hype whatsoever. And it's weird. I think he's going to be like a sneaky pick. He's probably going to go like... I think he could go mid-second. I think it'll be a late second, but it wouldn't shock me at that point. That's not that much of a difference going mid to late. Like I said, I really think he's going to be a good player long-term for whoever gets him at that point. I think that's going to be a solid pick up there. All right. We got one more here. Number one, number one, number one. Who does number one work for? Who does... Oh, yes. We're breaking our rule a little bit here. We said that a lot of the guys that play tackle, we talked about some of them were talked about being potentially a guard in the NFL. Like, oh, no, this guy, listen, he could play as a tackle. This is not that guy. This is a guy that has played tackle his entire career at Duke. He's going to be a guard in the NFL. There's no doubt about it. I haven't heard a single team talk about giving him even a look at tackle. Because he just doesn't have the body for it. He's got little T-Rex arms and stuff like that. He can't hack it in the NFL probably as a tackle. No offense to him. It's just the limitations he's been given in life. He'll make a lot of money as being a very solid guard in this league. There's a reason we listed him number one here. Graham Martin out of Duke there, 6'5", 314 pounds, 21 years old, played 13 games in 22, nine last year in 23 with a 75.9 PFF grade. Keep in mind, that says a left tackle. Left tackle is a much more difficult position to play than the guard is. I'm sorry. It is. No offense to the guards. But tackle, you have to worry about edge. If you're playing guard, you have someone to help you on either side if need be. Like I said, he's definitely going to be converted over to a guard, though. There's going to be a little bit, obviously, of a little learning curve there at that point. But he's very flexible. He's good on pulls. He's agile. You see that from the tackle position. And that's one of the rare things. You see this guy go out on screen, he just moves around like he's meant for it. He's got that kind of movement there. The only issue with him is he's got the length issues with his arm. he's got some issues with some of the high-end speed rushers. And I mean like the elite guys. So he's not going to go and have problems with every single one of them. But the times that they face in bigger schools, and I got some of the best of the best of the best, sir. Those are the ones he's had issues with at that point there. He's also a little bit late to react to stunts, and I think that's actually going to help him being inside. with that as well it's a little easier to read a stunt from the inside than it is from the outside at that point because the outside you're going oh my god I have to buy to protect the side again you have those helps next to you at that point it helps kind of people relax at that point sometimes and get into that range at that point there I think he's going to go late in the first round. I think he's going to be that highly touted. Worst case, you know, it'll drop to the very beginning of that second round there. But I think somebody will pick him up late in the first round that needs a little help at the guard position there. And you're always going to find somebody who's going to need that kind of help there at that point. So, Like I said, Graham Barton is going to be another guy just like Cooper. I think Graham and Cooper both are going to be plug-and-play kind of guys. You just pop in the offense, and you just don't worry about that position for the next 10 years as long as you pay him. Pretty much, yeah. Obviously, eventually you need a contract. Show me the money. Show me the money. So, yeah. That's our guards we got, guys, here. We're going to go over the centers here in just a moment. Before we do that, let's pay the bills and let's read some comments here. Enjoying the show? Looking for more goofball action? Consider a membership at buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Memberships start at just $5 and give you additional goofball access. One-time support payments also available starting at just $3. Buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Oh, yeah. And we got to one comment here so far. Everybody be quiet tonight. See y'all there watching. See y'all just watching. I mean all bashful. Don't be shy. People will hurt you. Connor says, how much cap rooms do we have that has to be used in draft also or just guys we want to keep and free agents we might want? I forget. So you got to keep in mind there's functional cap space and there's actual cap space. The big thing that matters is functional because what that takes into consideration is what you have left after you're paying for your draft class. Because we got to buy those guys at contracts at that point. It's got to come in part of the salary cap situation there. We have less than a million dollars. Now, when I say that, it sounds bad, but it's not bad because we still have plenty of maneuvering abilities at that point there. I will say this. I do not think that we'll be signing anybody of significance until after the draft. Kudos to Pat Trena, who you guys don't listen to her and know what she does as far as that. She's awesome. Fantastic. She pointed out that based on the current formula, the Giants are on pace to get a fourth-round comp pick next year in theory. I always have to say it in theory because the NFL decides not us. But that's the current formula they're saying at that point. Basically, who we signed in free agency, cancel it out to Saquon. But we're going to get one for McKinney, which is a fourth-round pick based on what he signed for. So if that's the case... I think that we'll probably wait until after the draft to sign anybody else because it's not like there's anybody else we have to have. There's not any amazing kind of player out there that's like, oh, I screwed the fourth-round pick. We're getting so-and-so. I think I've heard Justin Blackman. I've heard of the safety as an option there. Again, he's like 30-31, so he's not going to go anywhere probably until after the draft. I'm not worried about him if we do lose him even. Yeah. But, yeah, wait until after the draft. You'll see new guys get cut, too. That always happens after the draft. Remember we got A'shaun Robinson last year, defensive tackle, after the draft. Then we got him at the very end of April. I was just talking to somebody about that. Oh, no, we have to get a defensive tackle in this draft. Or else what? We have too many holes for six picks to fill them all. yeah it's the truth I mean we need a corner we need to we need a quarterback we need to we need a receiver we need a defensive tackle we potentially need a tight end like we we have some needs guys and you know you can't count on a fifth or sixth round pick to come in and fill one of those needs you have three or four quality picks basically we have at that point Pretty much that's how it works, yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at Trey Hawkins last year. He was supposed to be a stud. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was getting national attention at how good he looked in camp. I swear, I wonder if they, like, Daniel Jones him in reverse, where they made Daniel Jones look bad on purpose in the first table camp. I wonder if they did the reverse with Trey Hawkins. Let's make him look really good. We're going to look so smart for drafting this guy. Connor says, I'm thinking of becoming an Eagles fan. What do you think? I said, I think it would not work very well at that point because then you'd have to, you know, be a traitor and a turncoat like Saquon. Well, yeah. i don't know I don't know I don't know all right let's get into our talks at all right let's get into our talks at all right let's get into our talks at the centers here we got six the centers here we got six the centers here we got six centers to talk about there uh so centers to talk about there uh so centers to talk about there uh so let's get right into them here so let's get right into them here so let's get right into them here so number one well I guess well number six number one well I guess well number six number one well I guess well number six technically technically technically we're going in reverse here we're going in reverse here we're going in reverse here tanner tanner It's a Bortolini. I was about to say him and Tommy DeVito. Fat boys down in Rutgers. Oh, God. Anyway, he's out of Wisconsin, which, again, is a team that typically Wisconsin was schools that definitely produces some legit linemen. 6'4", 310 pounds. Another guy that they just did not list the age for for some reason there. So he started out at Wisconsin in 2020. So again, we're going to go ahead and assume that he was born around 2002, around there at that point. They would put him at 22 years old. Played 11 games in 22, played in the 12 and 23 with a 65.9 PFF grade. played center last year, obviously, but moved around prior to that. So he didn't play any snaps at left tackle in his career, but he played 469 snaps at left guard, 942 at center, including 868 this past year, 179 snaps at right guard, and 229 snaps over at right tackle. So, again, he started this year, but prior to that, he was a backup that moved around and filled up a lot of spots at that point. So, yeah, not too shabby of a guy at that point to get as a backup. I think that's where he's going to end up. I think he's a day three kind of pick at that point. As far as the pros and cons there, he's very athletic, very agile, but he does have trouble maintaining blocks. Again, he's 310 pounds, which is going to be one of the lighter guys there for some of this stuff because honestly, you look at him, I don't see 310. i think I think I think he put some heavy boots on that day or something like there was something going on stuff in his drawers with lead weights or something I don't know but I had to do that weights um so he got a little bit of trouble maintaining the blocks long term there he's also overly aggressive um you know he's he's wisconsin badgers of honey badger apparently because he's just He just runs at people at that point. And sometimes when you're overly aggressive, you're prone to, you know, somebody who's a smart player taking that advantage that may make it fall flat on your face. Um, so he's going to take some room to grow, but I like him overall because the fact that he's got that versatility, you know, he's played all over the place minus left tackle. Um, And they thought of him high enough to give him a starting job at that point at a school that, again, is one of those schools that does typically produce decent offensive linemen. He kind of reminded me of Bobby Boucher. Bobby Boucher? He's a duva amagata. Something wrong with his mandula amagata. No, Colonel Sanders. So, but yeah, like I said, for a day three pick kind of guy, you could do a whole lot worse for a guy that's got some potential to develop into somebody in a worst case scenario could be a backup way that fits a lot of spots and, you know, goes into a lot of spots with no issues because he had no, he had no issues. I looked at the arena, the, the, the grades for him, all these different positions when he played there, they were all pretty even. He did pretty good at all of them. So versatility, one of the biggest keys when you're a day three pick. 100%. All right. Next up, we have Hunter Norzad out of Penn State. I should apologize to Hunter. That's the worst picture ever, possibly, for his card there. But that's what they had. Listen, blame Penn State. They didn't have anything. Couldn't find any good pictures of him online at that point there to use. So, went to Penn State the last two years. Prior to that, played over at Cornell, pinkies out, from 18 to 20. So obviously a very smart guy. You don't get into Cornell if you're stupid, unless your daddy pays for a library. 6'3", 315 pounds, 23 years old, played 11 games in 22, played 13 games in 23 with a 74.4 PFF grade. Again, another guy who played center last year, but prior to that moved around and played pretty much every position under the sun. In fact, he literally played every position on the offensive line at one point. 170 career snaps at left tackle, 535 at left guard, 801 at center, including 784 this past year. 25 at right guard and 458 at right tackle. So yeah, this guy gets around like a sorority. Like I said, he's been everywhere on the offensive line. This is the thing I love to see at a day three, guys. I want to see a guy who can move around, somebody who can go ahead and play a whole bunch of positions because you create a value at that point. If you're a guy who plays left guard, that's it. Yeah, if you can start, great. But if you're a backup, there's only a 20% chance if somebody gets injured, they play left guard. That's the math. I did the math. That's good math. Even for me. So, yeah. Like I said, I like the guy because he plays everywhere. And as long as you can develop him into a solid backup, which I think is what his ceiling is in this league... He's a good guy to have at the bench because you can just pop him in wherever you need him. He's got quick feet. He's smart. He's agile. Then the issues you run into with him there is his past protection techniques aren't exactly the best. And this is techniques 100%. We talked about the guy went to Cornell. So you have to assume he's got a brain in the shoulders there. So assuming that... Well, you know what I mean, though. He obviously never took an anatomy class in school. But yeah, I mean, assuming that he's coachable, he's probably not an idiot. And you probably can go into that saying, okay, as long as he'll listen, he'll change some stuff that we suggest. he'll probably improve over time at that point um he also does reach that's one thing to be a little careful on um and what I mean by that is when you got a guy who's in run block protect you know uh protection at that point specifically and they see their target sometimes instead of moving to the target just keep in mind when you're run blocking you can move those legs he kind of goes over. And when you overextend at that point a reach for a guy, your punch isn't nearly as good. Plus, when your arms were out like this, you're a lot easier to go ahead and get a swim move or something. You have to get around at that point. So you've got to wait to get to this target first there. The other thing is his agility. While he was agile as a center, he looked a little bit slow when he played some of the positions that required a little more movement than a center typically does. So, again, he's going to be that guy that I think if you put him in one of the spots, you're going to have to go to some of the Michigan guys at the guard position there. He's going to be the guy that kind of sits there and just, that's his spot. Don't move him around. Don't expose the issues. Don't put him in that position. But again, I think a good day three pick, probably a good solid backup offensive line in this league and should have a nice career that are doing that there. So it could be a whole lot worse there. And again, day three pick, so it's not like you're going to waste the top pick on getting them. Nope, nope, nope. All righty. Next up, we got Bo Limmer. Oh, yes, there we are. So, Bo is out of Arkansas, Arkansas there. 6'5", 307 pounds. Played 13 games in 22. Played another 12 games this past season with a 74.5 PFF grade there. Played mostly center this season here, but he did play right guard prior to two seasons. So he's been a three-year starter. They moved him over to center there. And I forget the guy's name that they drafted the commanders last year, but the commanders drafted the center they had last year before him. So I think if I want to say he was a third-round pick, so it wasn't like he was held out by somebody who was like a bum or something. They just had a solid center, so they played him at right guard until the center position popped up basically. Um, he did play also to the 41 snaps at left guard as well. So he's played all three positions in the interior line. So again, you got some versatility there. As far as the pros, he's smart. He's got good range, a good punch and a good anchor. Um, as far as the cons, he's got some technique issues in past pro again, technique issues. I can deal with technique issues as long as they have the right coaching staff. So if you feel like you got the right coaching staff, not a bad option here. He does get a little bit over-aggressive as well. That's part of that punch and anchor kind of guy. He's got that mentality of, like, I'm going to knock you out as an offensive lineman. And I love it. But you've got to keep it under control to the point where you're not making mistakes because of that either. I think he's going to be a third or fourth round kind of guy. I think he's a guy that you're either going to develop and hopefully into a starter, or you're going to pop him in as a starter and just see what kind of happens there, so to speak, depending on what your situation is at center and the guard positions there. I'm mixed on him. I can see him starting in this league. I really can. But I can also see him as a high-end interior offensive lineman back up there. I can see either one, and neither one would shock me. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if he lands a place, just say like Kansas City. He'll have a long career as a starter. Yeah, throw him somewhere like the Commanders. He's going to be a backup in this place for a long time. be interesting if the commanders got them because they got the center last year from Arkansas. I was just trying to team. It's like something about those commanders. They just love those Arkansas centers. They use and abuse them. Yeah, I'm looking him up right now because I was trying to remember his name too. Ricky Stromberg, that was his name. We actually list him as a left guard on their depth chart, at least on ESPN currently. Ricky Stromberg, that was the guy. I remember Bobby from Talking Giants was pretty big on him there. But yeah, he's... He didn't do much for this rookie year, at least there, but we'll see what he does overall. But yeah, he's been a decent, like I said, he was a decent player at Arkansas, so you can't blame this guy for being stuck behind him. It's just a matter of, you know, now that you've seen him at a couple positions now, do you think he's better as a guard? Do you think he's better as a center? Do you think he's, you know, best as a backup? You know, that's going to be for these scouts to figure out there. But again, I think third, fourth round, and I think anywhere from a starter or a backup, nothing would shock me with this guy. I think he's going to have to earn his spot, basically, in camp. And they're going to go, you know what? We're going to pop you in there. We're going to put you in a position battle that should potentially earn a spot. Worst case scenario, we pop you on the bench for a year to develop you and we'll have long-term plans for you. Yeah. All right. Next up, we have number three, number three. Now we're getting into the more elite guys here. Cedric Van Prenn. There we go. From Georgia. From Georgia. 6'4", 310 pounds, 22 years old. Played 15 games in 22. Played 14 in 23 with a 77.9 PFF grade. Has been exclusively a center. And this is going to be the last of the three plug-and-play centers that you can pop in as a starting center right off the bat, probably at that point with no issues whatsoever. Again, Georgia, playing the SEC, played well. That right there is enough of a sign for me to go, okay, I'm interested. I know I should be scared of saying that for Evan Neal, but... He also played very well in the SEC. But pros-wise, athletic, agile, also strong, and also very smart. His issues is actually the same exact issues that we had for Bo there. Remember, we talked about him a second ago. He's overly aggressive at times, and he's got some inconsistent technique in pass pro. But what's interesting to me always when it's inconsistent, it's like you know what to do. Sometimes you just kind of get that brain fog and you get that memory twitch where your muscles just go right into doing the wrong thing at that point there. Or you're caught up doing something else or thinking you're going to do something else and it's not going to read. So your technique is obviously not going to be good. You may not see the defender lower his hips, so when you push off, your push might be a little too high. Yeah, and again, when it's inconsistent, that means he knows it and you've seen it. You've just got to work on that consistency, and I think a lot of that comes with repetition and continued work at that point there. Um, I, and I think he's what I've seen in him. He seems to have the work ethic to do that. So I'm pretty confident he'll be a decent center in this league. You'll never, again, this guy won't be the pro bowl kind of guy. That's not going to be the all pro kind of guy probably, but I think he's going to be a decent set of this league here. Um, I, I have him like a late second, early third kind of pick at that point there. Um, but, Again, it depends on how much you like him because, again, he's an SEC guy. He's one of the more dominant interior offensive linemen in this draft, which is, again, not a very strong position. So we'll see what happens there, but that's where I have him talent-wise there, and that's where he should go probably. I took him going into the third, like mid to early third. He may, like you said, he may sneak in second because of the lack of talent in this draft. Yeah. With so much of the other talent going around, definitely teams will be like, I can get this guy in third. There's plenty of talent to go around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I think he'll be a solid player. I do. all right next up we have zach frazier out of west virginia mountain mama take me home to the nfl drafts There he is there. Zach Frazier, not to be confused with the main character from the Star Show Outlander. Or Brandon Frazier. Oh. Did we find out it's not Brandon Frazier? It's something else? Brazier or something like that? Somebody's been mispronouncing it the whole time and he didn't correct anybody? He's such a nice guy. He is. He really is. I feel bad for that guy, the way Hollywood treated that man. Anyway, Zach Frazier, 6'3", 310 pounds, 22 years old. Played 12 games in 22 and 13. Had a 74.5 PFF grade there in 23. played exclusively at a center there excellent run blocker got a great grip like this is one of those guys that we talked about there's guys that have the ability to get away with holding and don't have issues and there's some guys who just will get called every time for it this is that guy like you ever had that friend who can like say something outlandish and stupid that most people get punched in the face for saying but they just somehow get away with it and somebody laughs at them That's me. Yeah, he's that equivalent of that as an offensive lineman. He just gets away with grabbing people and holding on to them and just never seems to be called because he puts everything in the right spot. And if you look at the tape on any NFL game, every single play, there's a holding. It's just a matter of them putting their hands in the right spot to avoid getting caught with it. So, yeah, he's got that ability. Where he doesn't have is he's a little bit short on the length and he's a little bit slow in lateral movement there. He's just such a good run blocker. I had to put him right above Van Praan there, but the two of them are kind of neck and neck. I think Frazier's a little bit better. I think he goes in the second round, and he's going to go, hopefully, specifically to a team, and I'm not suggesting them specifically because they already have Lindenbaum, obviously, at Baltimore. A team like that that runs the ball and respects the run as part of their offensive game plan. You're not going to throw him to a team that's going to just pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, and pass. That would be a waste of his talents. But like I said, you get him in the right spot, he's going to be a productive member of the offensive line for many years to come there. So you're saying Cincinnati is not his destination. Gotcha. Listen, Cincinnati has always run the ball. Yeah, but they also got Joe Burrow and... Chase. Yeah, but they always had a running back to go along with them too as well. In fact, if you look at Cincinnati historically in the last 25, 30 years, they pretty much always had a running back of some kind. As bad as that team has been. I'm not saying they've had excellent ones, but they've had better than average. Yeah, maybe top 12 in the past 25 years. No, I'm saying like overall, I think it has, you know, so let's take a look here. So, yeah, Joe Mixon, obviously, since 2017. You had Jeremy Hill before that. You know, he's been a good guy. You had Ben Jarvis, Green Ellis, who actually in the two years there had about 1800 yards. So it's not like nothing, you know. Then you had Cedric Benson, and people forget Cedric Benson, as bad as he was in Chicago, was very good when he went to Cincinnati. He was an 11, 1200-yard kind of guy at that point there, and he was there 11 to 08. You got one year of Kenny Watson. I don't even know who the hell that Kenny Watson is. I remember Kenny Watson. But then you got Rudy Johnson, who had 1,300, 1,400 yards, basically. And then you got Corey Dillon until 97. They've always had a decent running back. Yeah, so middle of the pack. I guess if you got a guy who's going over 1,000 yards more than half the time in this modern NFL in the last 20, 25 years... doing good that's not good that's not that's not middle of the pack a thousand yard rusher in the modern nfl is good okay but you already said what's the face at 1800 yards in two years so that's 900 yards vixen he goes above below so like they're they probably average 900 yards 800 yards this is based on health usually I'm talking about the top player. 850. I'm a fancy guy. He's got at least 1,000 yards in four of the last six seasons, Joe Mixon does. Yeah. I'm not suggesting you have a top flight rushing attack. I'm just saying they're not all passing. You love the running game. I like to run a game. I always have. I really do. I miss old school football to a certain degree. I love sitting there just seeing like... You know what I used to love as a kid? And this is what I missed. You'll probably never see it again in the NFL, though, just the way it is. A guy like Charles Way. just bum remember they had that one good year in 97 and just bum rush right off of people like it was nothing like it was just like a tank running down the middle of the field kind of like the way brandon jacobs ran who's well after that you know it was like I love this big strong running backs at that point that can do that And I think you're going to see a renaissance of that coming very soon in the NFL because we keep on getting these smaller and smaller linebackers, safeties. You even see some of the smaller defensive tackles now because you want them to rush the passer now too when they used to just be run stoppers. You get a big bruiser in there. That's why I've been so high on us getting a guy like Bray on out on the draft at that point that has that ability because you get a guy that can just bum rush and roll through at that point. He's going to excel because defenses aren't meant for that anymore. We're getting sidetracked. When you've got a running back that's 20 pounds lighter than the defensive lineman and he's got the momentum on the side? Yes. Newton's laws of physics. But anyway, Zach Fraser. Second round, I think, is where he'll end up going. Like I said, he'll be a good guy. And I think, honestly, again, he's got to go to a spot that utilizes his run-blocking abilities because that's a strong suit there. All right. Next up, we have one more guy. One more. oh yes and this guy has the quintessential name if you were to become a porn star it's fantastic he does I mean seriously like if you were going to be one that'd be like the name and this is maybe the worst most disrespectful way to start a profile but we're talking about it it is what it is jackson powers johnson This is why, by the way, we'll never get invited anywhere to do interviews with players. But it's the truth. I mean, hell, if you were to start being a porn star, Powers Johnson, that's a great name. Let's go with it. Anyway. I mean, he did play for the Ducks. Yeah, he did. The mighty Ducks of Oregon there. 6'3", 320 pounds, 21 years old. Played 12 games in 22, 13 in the last season there with an 84.3 PFF grade. This guy is the cream of the crop at the interior offensive line. He is the best of the whole bunch between both the centers and the guards. He's that good. Will Smith might as well. Yeah. Slapshot. Played center last year, but also has played multiple positions in the past there. So 350 of his 394 snaps in 22 were at right guard. And he played literally every interior offensive line position in 21. So he's moved around. And this is the guy that the Giants met at the Senior Bowl last down there in Mobile where they talked to him about potentially moving over to guard. I don't see the Giants having a shot in hell of getting this guy, though. I think that unless something goes really weird and he drops and we just say, screw it, we don't need a quarterback. We don't need a wide receiver, whatever the case may be, depending on what we do in that first round. He's going to be a lead first round pick, in my opinion. I don't see him getting into that second round at all. I'll be shocked if that happens. But he's a guy that someone's going to pick up, and they're going to Probably, I think, move him to guard just because of how good he is and how much of a more important position that is than center. I hate to say it that way. Unless it's a team that legit needs a center and goes, you know, screw it. Let's keep him there. But the Giants weren't the only team that asked him about moving to guard. And there's a lot of guys out there that would love to have him on their team, and it's going to be just wherever they have the need, whether it be guard or whether it be center. So I think he's going to be a bona fide, legit player in this league. If you're looking for a guy that could potentially be a pro bowler at the interior offensive line, this is that guy. This is probably the only guy in this draft that I've placed money on getting at least one pro bowl in their career. and probably has the highest jersey sales because come on powers johnson yeah again I can't I can't I can't get past this this is just spectacular at that point um yeah oh my god anyway That's our show as far as that part. We do have a little bit of NFL news to give you guys here. A couple of notes here. So let's get into that real quick here before we read the rest of the comments and head on out there for the day there. So before we get going, let's do that news around the league. All righty there. So the big news today was very sad news. Vontae Davis, two-time Pro Bowl center, I'm sorry, cornerback, died today at the age of 35. Found his home dead from everything they're saying. No foul play. They'll obviously do an autopsy and everything, see what happens there. Vontae is probably best known as the guy who literally retired at halftime. which is just, you know, I don't think I've ever heard of that any of the time before and probably never will again. Just really young though, dude, that's crazy. Really young, like 35. That's just, yeah. I mean, obviously had to have some kind of underlying medical condition. You got to think that they didn't know about there. So, you know, obviously thoughts and prayers out to his family. That's, that's rough to lose somebody that young. You never expect that. You know, so yeah, Other news there, later news, Hassan Redick got traded. We talked about that this offseason. Is that be a possible option for a trade there? The Eagles seem to want to move him for whatever reason. I still don't get why. He's a stud pass rusher. He got traded to the New York Jets in exchange for a third round pick that can become a second round pick if depending on playing time there for him. So, yeah, Eagles moving on from a guy that I don't understand why they are. They have the cap room to keep him at that point. But, yeah, I'll gladly take them giving up a talented player and getting a draft pick that, you know, a third-round draft pick. Are you kidding me? They're on draft picks. The guy you hope would be a starter, let alone be a Pro Bowl caliber starter like Hassan Redick is. I don't get it, but whatever. Keep weakening your team, Eagles fans. I'm okay with it. I'm perfectly fine with it. Alright, let's get to the comments here. Connor says, can I get Salinguini with that? Probably not. He says, with the side of Adriana from The Sopranos. I don't know who that is. I gotta say, I did not really watch The Sopranos. I hate to say that because, again, I know Rob here, for those of you who are in Sopranos, you may have seen him on The Sopranos. He was in a couple episodes in the background. So, let's see. There's only one episode. I know who that is. I thought there were two episodes. One episode. The finale. The last two minutes. Journey was the same. Don't stop believing. There goes Robbie behind a BMW. There he is, as seen on Sopranos. But yeah, now I know who the Adriana girl is, because she's in a couple other shows. She was in that Joey show, too, when Joey tried to do his own spinoff of Friends and all, too. I saw a thing on her, actually, because she's on OnlyFans, and that's apparently how she's paying her mortgage and everything like that. Oh, I did hear about that. yeah she's like this close to losing her her um her house or something yeah um yeah so all right well whatever that's your man make your money make your money listen I got no problem with that I don't know why people get so excited like literally like in two months you like paid off her mortgage yeah like I don't see why people get so crazy about this stuff like it's their body that's what they want to do let them do it who cares um it could have been nothing but feet I don't know I don't know. I think that's the dumbest thing people would judge people for, that kind of stuff. Who cares? Who cares? There are people that lie, cheat, and steal to make money for a living at that point. You're worried somebody's half naked? Because half the girls in there, from my understanding, are not even fully naked. I don't know. I don't think I've ever been on that website once, personally. But like I said, the best of my knowledge, I don't think half of them are actually naked, even in bikini shots and stuff like that. Who cares? Even if they are fully naked, who cares? It's their body. Let them do what the hell they want with it. Make some money. Listen, if I can just take my clothes off and pay off my mortgage, let me guess what's going to happen real quick. I'm going to tell you that right now. I'm getting naked real quick. Rob, get off the line. But I'm just saying, honestly, which one of us would not do that? And people forget some of these people that are actors and actresses, they're not making tons and tons and tons of money. Like some of these people, and like, especially like when you're a woman, let me just put this way very nicely. Cause I don't want to like disrespect her acting career. Cause she's not a bad actress at that point, but it's like when you're a woman who sometimes gets some of the jobs you got, because you look a certain way as you get older, less and less of those calls come your way. Yeah. So if you've got a way to extend your money coming in, go for it. Go for it. Who cares? It's your option, your call. All right. Anyway, let me get off my tangent here about women having the power to take clothes off if they want to. Men too, whatever. Again, I could pay off my mortgage by going naked and oldie fans. It's happening. As long as my wife's okay with it. So not worth giving up a marriage, but it's worth paying off a mortgage. All right, let's see here. Lions win the Bulls. That's an interesting name with a San Francisco person there on the picture. That's a little weird. Is Giants going to draft JJ if he's there? I hope not. Yeah, I'm not a fan of JJ personally. I think he's Daniel Jones 2.0 basically. I just don't think he's that good. He's getting hyped up for some reason. I don't want to go that far, but I agree. Did you see somebody put up a picture? There's a picture around on social media saying that J.J. McCarthy looks like Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson's... oh my god this is before and after it's hilarious it actually like when you look at it you see the pictures you can't those obviously I'm not going to put the picture up here at that point there because I don't have it handy um wasn't playing and talking about it but those who want to see it just look it up it's hilarious oh my god it's hilarious ghetto grok on instagram I saw it a couple places there. It's going around now, but it's hilarious. Let's see. Connor says they'll get Pennix or move up for Jayden Daniels. I saw online, don't be surprised, Chargers trade Herbert, so Harbaugh can go get J.J. McCarthy. That would surprise me. I don't care if you say not, don't be surprised, Connor. I would be surprised if that happened. I don't see that happening personally. I think that's not a move you make in your first year at a team. You kind of see what you got first in this guy and then go from there. He also has hyped him up coming out there, saying how teams should be looking at him, what teams should be looking at him. That doesn't spell out, I want to draft the guy I just was with for the past few years. You've got to take a shot on Herbert. Connor knows us well enough to know Penix Jr., Jaden Daniels. That's my guys. That's my guys. I was sending Rob a couple of mock drafts I was doing today at work and every single one of them had me getting Penix. I don't care what happens as long as we get a quarterback and his name is Penix or Daniels. That's where I'm at. Connor says maybe wait until the end and get a Brock Purdy pick. That's highly unlikely. I still think And again, it depends on what we do in the draft, obviously. But if we do not get a quarterback, I actually would still be curious about Ryan Tannehill on a one-year deal. Yeah, I would. Depending on the cost, I wouldn't, you know. It would not be what I want to do, don't get me wrong, but if we don't get one of the draft, I mean, what other choice do you have? Who is out there otherwise that you think can be a legit start in this league? And even Ryan Tannehill calling him a legit start at this point in his career is kind of with quotation marks around it. Yeah. He's the best available unless you want to go for Carson Wentz who, you know, basically got all last season. Yeah. I still think Carson Wentz has got some talent arm strength-wise. He just doesn't have the personality and the leadership skills to be a quarterback. And we don't have a guy that would be a leader on that team. We don't have Saquon anymore. So, yeah. Like I said, that'd be my thing. All right. Let's see. He says, kind of old-school football rules. Now they say we roll tackle, soon two-hand touch football. I mean, it's all about safety. I mean, these guys... They want careers and lives after they've done playing football. And keep in mind, the NFL has been sued multiple times for safety issues. It's all about CYA at this point. That's what it's really about. Connor says, too young to die. Yeah, 35 is ridiculously young to die. That's like insane. Somebody who's 41 myself, I can't imagine six years ago my life just ending. Like I said, that's sad. It really is. Connor says, I knew it. Roberta was whacked off by some girl, lol. This is a family show, Connor. We can't talk about that. We can't talk about that, Connor. But I've got stories. Was this about the OnlyFans or are we talking about Sopranos now? I'm not sure which one. Connor says, I'm not paying if she's not fully naked. I don't know what it is. I just think, like I said, that's my understanding is that they don't. Again, I'm not an OnlyFans guy. I don't understand the point of it personally. But whatever. If some guy is obsessed with a celebrity enough to give her money to see half-naked pictures of her once a month, whatever. That's on you. We all spend money on stupid stuff. It is what it is. Like I said, even if she's fully naked, that's on her. It's your decision. Your body. Your call. You do what you want. Connor says, great image of Drew naked. My eyes. My eyes. Help me. That's pretty much what most people think. Connor says, it's not fair to defense keep taking things the way they can't do. It is what it is. I mean, you still got people on offense at that point to get caught for that kind of stuff as well. I mean, they just don't tackle as often. Again, it's all about the NFL covering its own tuchus, to put it nicely. And they got to do that. They have to. If they don't protect themselves from lawsuits, what happens in 10 years from now? Let's say there's a whole string of guys in wheelchairs because they got taken down, they got hip injuries and stuff like that, and they want to sue the NFL. You put it in a contracting clause like, hey, you know this is a contact sport, but you're not liable to sue the NFL. You can say that, but I have to sign that. Let me ask you this. When you look at a pack of cigarettes, what's the first thing you see on the label besides the name? Warning, going to cause cancer. Warning, going to kill you. But hold on. You still see people suing tobacco companies. It doesn't protect you. Yeah, because when you buy... There's a difference. When you buy a pack of cigarettes, you do not write down to Maro or to Parliament or whatever you're buying your brand from an agreement with them. You are. If it's on the box saying, open these, they'll kill you. There's no John Hancock written down. I mean, great. But it's on the damn box. I'm just saying, that stuff, they never work in court, I'm telling you. They don't. All they do is try to prove in any way, shape, or form that you do not do the best to protect them, and that becomes null and void. That's the way that works. I mean, I have to sign an agreement to go to the gym, and if I hurt myself at the gym, I can't sue them. If you hurt yourself at the gym, you can still sue the gym. All you have to do is prove they were negligent in some way, shape, or form. Just saying. Let's say you hurt yourself on a machine. When's the last time this machine was inspected? And you see the maintenance done to this machine. There's plenty of ways to get around this stuff. I'm just saying. You put it out there. Just saying, when you're running up behind someone, and I understand safety, but when you're running up behind someone, And you can't lunge at the upper part of the body. Now you can't grab him by the hip and pull him down, which is actually probably not an actual... Probably one of the safer ways to tackle someone. Granted, accidents do happen. We're seeing it now more because there's less ways to tackle. What they have to do is get the defense lassoed. Lasso the plate individual. I'm fine with that. There you go. Lasso Football League. Sponsored by Ted Lasso. Jerry Jones is going to bring it up. Oh, my God. It'd be hilarious. All righty, guys. Well, that's it for the day. We're going to be back on for you guys Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday. We're going off to defense here. We finished up with the offense. Uh, we might do later on an episode with some late round quarterbacks, but right now I want to get to the, the bigger names here still and get a chance to get those out for you guys before the draft starts up there. Um, so we'll have that for you here at the defensive side, starting tomorrow with the safety position. We're doing a little reverse here. So we've got the safety starting up here on Wednesday, uh, There's an interesting group of safeties coming out this year. This is an interesting one here. A lot of guys that do one thing and do one thing very well. Not a lot of Swiss Army Knives. It's going to be interesting to see where they go based on what teams are needing what. so uh we'll be back again I said wednesday 9 p.m eastern standard time as always for you as always we are live on youtube facebook twitter slash x twitch instagram and of course rob favorite oh yes rob's linkedin page my linkedin profile oh who doesn't love my linkedin profile And of course, as always, we are available the next day on audio podcast there as well. So that'll be up on usually by five o'clock in the morning. They're assuming everything works correctly. All the audio podcast. 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So we'll have that there for you. But like I said, day one, day two, we will be live for every single pick. That means we got like probably was a four hours, four and a half hours. We did the last last time each night. Stuff like that. Yeah, so be prepared. Bring some drinks with you. Keep a bathroom close by. We'll be a long night there. Bring some wings and some nachos and all. We'll have a draft party here. We'll see you guys then. And again, we'll see you guys Wednesday to talk some safeties there. Appreciate you guys always for listening in. Appreciate you guys choosing us to be the one to get your draft and Giants news from there. 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