Top 10 Tight Ends: 2024 NFL Draft Prospects

 In the latest episode titled "Top 10 Tight Ends: 2024 NFL Draft Prospects," the focus is on the cream of the crop among tight end prospects gearing up for the NFL Draft. Leading the pack is Brock Bowers from Georgia, hailed for his athleticism, precise route running, and prowess as both a receiver and blocker. With an impressive college career under his belt, Bowers is poised to be a top-10 pick, offering teams a versatile weapon in their offensive arsenal.

Next in line is JaTavion Sanders out of Texas, who boasts exceptional athleticism and catching ability, making him a formidable threat in the passing game. Despite concerns about his blocking skills and overall polish, Sanders is projected to be a late second-round to early third-round pick, offering tantalizing potential for teams willing to invest in his development.

Cade Stover from Ohio State emerges as another intriguing prospect, showcasing explosive athleticism and a knack for making plays both as a receiver and blocker. Despite a back injury that sidelined him during the combine, Stover's raw talent and versatility make him a solid third-round pick with room for growth.

Ben Sinnott out of Kansas State brings a unique journey to the draft, starting as a walk-on fullback before transitioning to tight end. With reliable hands and the ability to create separation, Sinnott offers teams an intriguing option in the passing game, though his blocking skills and athleticism are areas for improvement.

Jaheim Bell from Florida State rounds out the top-tier prospects, known for his explosive playmaking ability and versatility lining up as both a tight end and fullback. While Bell faces challenges with press coverage and durability concerns stemming from a past ACL injury, his dynamic skill set makes him a solid fourth-round pick with potential upside.

As the NFL Draft approaches, the excitement continues to build around these top tight end prospects, each offering unique strengths and areas for growth as they transition to the professional level.

1 Brock Bowers
2 JaTavion Sanders
3 Cade Stover
4 Ben Sinnott
5 Jaheim Bell
6 Theo Johnson
7 Dallin Holker
8 AJ Barner
9 Jared Wiley
10 Tip Reiman

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Transcript

Welcome to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. Are you a goofball that loves Giants football? If so, sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much. And now, here are your goofball hosts, Drew and Rob. Welcome fellow goofballs to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. I am Drew, joined as always by... I'm me, Rob. Apparently the sleepyhead in the room. Yes, the sleepyhead in the room. But I apologize to those who are here with us live here. We're having some computer issues. Me primarily, actually. I want to see if Rob can't even take the blame here. um it's it's it's on me my computer would not load anything up it would not get the graphics going for the show or anything like that so uh it would have been kind of a boring show without any of that stuff there so we had to you know turn it off and on we'd probably forever to load for some reason and everything but yeah we're up and running now we're up and running now that's what matters here we are Yes, we may not run a tight ship, but today we're going to talk about tight ends. That's for sure. Hey, now. Oh, yes. Hello. Way to tighten it up. Now, unlike the wide receiver group, where we literally talked about 20 different players and only got to, like, third, fourth round people... Guys, this is not a big tight end group. I'm going to tell you that, guys, right now off the bat. We went to 10 tight ends, and that's it. And by the time we got to number 10, we literally had a few of the people that we listed were like six-round pick kind of people. That's how little there is in the tight end group. You want to know why the Giants are signing... Tight end after tight end in case Darren Waller retires. That's why. There's not that many of them out there. But we're going to go over a few. There are a few intriguing names out here. A couple of people that need a little development that could go ahead and potentially do something good in this league. And a few people that are considered automatic NFL quality players. And one guy who's... Probably like the biggest tight end prospect out there in three, four years. Easy. I mean, it's that kind of class. It's a little weird. It's a little top heavy here, but let's get right into it there. But you know what, guys? We're going to go ahead and talk about. The bottom up first. So you want to hear about the big names? You got to wait. You got to wait. We're going to start off here with number 10. Tip Ryman out of Illinois. First off, now when this man gets into the NFL, this is like the moments I wish John Madden was still around. He's like, look, it's just a tip. You know he would say it. He would say it. 100%. Yes. He's blocking it with a tip. Nice oval circle with a couple circles around him. So, Tim Raymond out of Illinois, like I said, 6'5", 271 pounds. So, nice size for a tight end, that's for sure. 22 years old. Last year, 12 games, 19 receptions, 203 yards. 60.1 PFF grade there. Year prior, 13 games, 19 reception again. 174 yards and a touchdown so not much of a receiving threat there for tip there um but he's quick off the snap he does have good hands there's a very very low drop percentage there he's also an above average tackler that's the reason why most people looking at him as a person to potentially draft it's for his blocking abilities a good size on there um You know, as far as the issues, as far as the cons wise there, the biggest issues with him really is he's got no twitch whatsoever. What I mean by that is like he runs around like a robot. There is no adjustment based on what the defender does whatsoever. He's also got trouble with the press as well, which is kind of crazy considering his size again. So it's just the tip. This is the guy who you're going to look at if you want a blocking tight end, like your third tight end, and see if you can develop him a little better receiving-wise and see if he turns out to be something else better in this league there. So that's why we got him as a six-round grade here. That's where I think he's going to go. He's going to go in that kind of range there to somebody who needs a back-end tight end there kind of thing. That's his back-end tight end. And wants just a tip. That's it. He wants a back-end tight end for the tip. oh my all we know is in the sixth round tipping is encouraged who knows he may drop to seven you never know you never know uh but yeah uh let's get into number nine here for you guys number nine is jared wiley Alrighty, Jared Wiley, last two years played over at TCU. Prior to that, played 1921 over in Texas. So, yeah, he's a Texas boy through and through. Went from one Texas school to the next at that point. Surprised he didn't try to get, like, you know, Texas Tech in there somehow or something like that. 6'6", 249 pounds, 23 years old. Last year, 47 receptions, 520 yards, 8 touchdowns. Year prior to that, 24 receptions, 245 yards, and 4 touchdowns. So... Definitely showed a good amount of improvement here in this last year, that's for sure. I like seeing that there. But definitely some issues still because his receiving is his big stuff. He's got good yak. He's got good hands. He's quick for his size. And I think he's got a high ceiling for being a potential elite round pick as well because the stuff that he needs work with is stuff that I think he can work on. You know what I mean? It's not like it's like you got or you don't got it kind of stuff there. The stuff like the speed, the good hands and all, he has that. What he needs is he needs some work on blocking, and that's all technique. He's still aggressive when he goes to block. He still tries. He gets a participation trophy each time he goes out there. He's just not very good at it. And, yeah, like I said, I think that if you get a guy in there who's going to work with him and teach the block better, he'll be better at it. He also does have trouble getting separation as well. Obviously, he didn't hinder him too much there this past season in TCU. Some decent receiving numbers for a tight end there. But it's something at the next level that I think would affect him there. So he's got to improve on that as well. So overall, another guy we got a six-round grade on at that point. So between Jared and Tip there, it's just a matter of do you prefer a guy who's a blocking tight end to develop, or do you prefer a guy who's a receiving tight end? I put Jared above Tip just because of the fact that I feel like he has potential to go ahead and fix the blocking issues he has. Whereas I don't think Tip is ever going to be a great receiving tight end. Correct. There's a little bit more of a ceiling to Jared over here. You definitely, you see the talent. Like if you even look at his 2022 with 24 receptions for 245 yards, he's in the same ballpark with 47, you know, at 520. So like he's consistent. He puts in the work, like a lot of the tape shows that he's a hard worker. So like, With the right coach, like you said, maybe he could be a C-grade level blocker in this league. And remember, too, guys, a lot of the biggest names out there at tight end are not the first-round picks. We talked about this last year. We talked about tight ends, but it still holds true. The guys who are the first-round picks don't always pan out. They're actually a pretty low success rate at them being stars. the guys who are the stars are the ones that are the fourth rounder leader for some reason it's just weird how it works out you know darren waller for us and they were a little frustrated with him when he's going to retire he's not going to retire it's undrafted I remember correctly I think travis kelsey was the fourth round pick at that point fourth or was he third I thought he was a fourth round pack I could be wrong I don't have it it's in that ballpark I think it was either low third high fourth I forget You know, George Kittle wasn't exactly a high draft grade, if I remember correctly, either at that point there. I mean, again, this is a position that the NFL scouts have the hardest time figuring out who's legit and who's not for some reason at this position. So I think it'd be fun to kind of keep an eye specifically on how we do, because if we're right, NFL, one of you teams should hire us. One of you teams should hire us. All right, let's get next up here. Number eight, the Ocho. AJ Bartner out of Michigan. Oh, yeah. And stop me if you've heard this before, but we should draft this guy because he has a ton of potential from Michigan. Hmm. That's like the theme with every single freaking group. J.J. McCarthy, great potential. Roman, we talked about him during the wide receivers. Great potential. Here's another guy, A.J. Barner. They keep talking about the potential. I am not going to draft based on potential. I'm going to draft based on what I see right now and what I like right now. And then I'm going to look at the potential then after that and say, okay. He might go above him because I see a higher ceiling. We just talked about between the last two tight ends here. A.J. Bartner, like I said, played Michigan last year. Three years prior to that, played at Indiana. Six foot six, 251 pounds, 23 years old. So decent size, got some decent experience here in the college ranks there. So pretty young. Last year. He had 15 catches, 15 games, almost 15 catches, 22 catches for 249 yards, one touchdown, but an 82.2 PFF grade. That means he was a pretty good blocker. Exactly. 10 games and 22, 28 receptions, 199 yards, and three touchdowns. Again, people think this guy has potential as a receiver. And a lot of people have him higher up in their boards because of this. But here's what he really is. He's probably the best blocking tight end in this entire draft. He is that good of a blocker. It's like having a tackle that occasionally catches the ball. Out of the Howard Cross back in the day for Giant fans there. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. So good hands. Again, very, very low drop. I think he had like four drops his entire college career. He has a good size as well. But again, the issue is limited receiving production. And he's just not fast. I don't see him ever becoming a huge receiving threat because he doesn't have what you naturally have to have to develop that. If you can't get open because you're not faster or as fast as the guy who's guarding you, you better be a damn good route runner to get open ever. Yeah. Consistently. For a guy like this, I mean, he does have a high ceiling to be a good tight end in this league. Top five receiver? Probably not. No. But a team like Kansas City that has a pretty good line, they're looking for weapons. They have Travis Kelsey. I'm not saying he's going to be the next Travis Kelsey, but that peekaboo when they do a 22-man, they set up a two-tight-end scheme. He's got a good view over there. Are they running? Are they passing? Look, Travis Kelsey's open. Boop. Yep. I feel like it's one of those things where they're going to have to figure this out as you go as far as is he going to be a receiver ever or not. I don't think he's going to be. I really don't. I just don't see it. Again, good hands can't be open. He can't be open at all. I think what you're going to see is maybe if there's a team with a young quarterback, maybe a developing offensive line. I wonder who I'm thinking here. perhaps the Giants even. That's the type of team that would pick him up because you're getting an excellent blocker who's going to help whatever side's having trouble that particular game. And you're going to give your quarterback some more time. And that's a key component. So he's got a place. He's got a place in the NFL, guys. I'm not suggesting otherwise. But I still think he's just a six-round pick talent because of the fact that he is a blocker, and that's it. I do think that somebody may take him as early as the fourth or the fifth because of the Michigan part. There's something about these Michigan guys. They had so much potential. They got held back by the offense. I'm not buying it. I'm sorry, guys. I'm not buying it. Got held back by the whole offense. Except for Corum. The running back is the only guy that actually wasn't held back, apparently. Yeah. I agree with what you were saying about a young team with a struggling offensive line. I can also see a team that has an experienced quarterback, some good play in depth, and picks them up for tricks plays, and picks him up for an extra blocker, if you will. Even a team like Cincinnati, who's always had trouble blocking for Burrow, that's the kind of team that I can see taking him. You're going to pick him up purely for the blocking. That's a good team. Them or the Rams. You always pick the Rams. The Rams are drafting everybody. I just said Kansas City first. What are you talking about? I'm just saying, you always pick the Rams. It's usually Oakland. Oh, I said Oakland. Oh, yeah, you do like Oakland. Yeah, Vegas. The Raiders. The Raiders. The Raiders. All right. Next up, number seven, Dallin Hawkins. Oh, yes, this is another guy who changed schools. We've got a lot of those in this draft here. You notice there, in the picture, he's Colorado State, and in the video part, he's BYU. Because he only played the last year over at Colorado State. Prior to that, 18, 21, and 22, he played over at BYU. He took 19 off there due to injury. 6'3", 241 pounds, 23 years old. Also lines up as a fullback at times. Last year, his one year at Colorado State. Let me just put it this way. There are times when somebody moves to the school and you're like, that might not have been the right move to do that. This was definitely not one of those cases last year, 12 games, 64 receptions, 767 yards, six touchdowns, one rush for one yard and a touchdown 68.5 PFF. Prior to that, His last season at BYU, he was just three games, nine receptions, 86 yards, and a touchdown. And he had a knee injury. Quite frankly, he was fed up with how BYU was using him. They weren't using him the way that Colorado State did at that point as a consistent receiving threat. He thought he had that ability. He wanted a chance to show that ability before he entered a draft. And again, that move paid off. Pros, he's got a high motor. uh he's got a lot of effort in blocking I can't say that I see the results there but the effort is there again I don't mind if it's the guy who's raw that I gotta teach it as long as there's effort if there's effort that means they're gonna get good they care about the craft they care about how they look doing that um very good hands cons wise probably needs to add a little bit of weight again it's 241. If you want to make it in the NFL as an actual tight end, in-line tight end, you're going to probably need to get a little bit with 10 more pounds added onto that frame there. Average athleticism overall. He's not going to be a burner. He's not going to run down the middle of the field for a 40-yard dash to go to the end zone at that point. That's just not who he is. And he's not the best at yards after the catch either at that point. But what he is is he's a guy who's going to get between 5 and 10 yards. He's going to get open with his actual route running at that point. And there's a place, again, for that in the NFL. About to say, constantly do that, and constantly got first downs coming to you. Yeah. He's going to be end zone, third down kind of guy at that point. That's going to be a great security blanket for a team. I'm telling you, that's where his role is going to be. That's where he's going to live. I do think he's going to end up being like that fourth or fifth round pick. I think teams are going to be turned off a little bit by the lack of athleticism he has there. But I think they're going to realize once they get him into camp, whoever drafts him, Who cares about the athleticism? Look what he does in the field. He finds a way to get open. He finds a way to get the ball. And that's what matters. So I think he'll be a decent backup tight end this week. I don't think he'll ever be a crazy good starter. But I think he's going to be a decent backup tight end at that point. And if he ever does become a good blocker, I could see him getting into the starting role with somebody. It's all up to him. I was about to say, I could work into that. I can see him being part of a duo double tight end scheme. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, depending on what kind of offense he's in and how often they use the receiving tight ends. Like if he came into the draft 10 years ago, he would have the Patriots all over him in the fifth round. I don't know. He hasn't killed anybody. Touche. That would be off. We know. We never know. We start doing the rumors now. He's in a gang. Let's be wrong on this one, right? The Colorado State gang at a BYU. Yeah. They tell me it's not his crowd. But we're saying, I mean, old school, yeah. Bill Belichick run offense 10 years ago. Always had a Not the best, but a dual-threat tight end scheme, and that's perfect. That's perfect for, yeah. Like I said, he's going to be a good tight end, too, for somebody. And like I said, he's got that ceiling as a potential one if he can actually learn to block better. But I think tight end, too, is where he'll probably live for the most of his career. And I think he'll be a decent one. Next up. It is time for number six. Number six. say say say ceo johnson not to be confused with theo huxtable I could tell you wanted to say something after I said that rob oh I said or theo vaughn theo huxtable is the best um six foot six 259 pounds 23 years old at a penn state and spectacular size overall he's a former wide receiver too as well which is interesting he came into college as a wide receiver he's a big boy for a wide receiver Yeah, obviously he gained a little weight in college. Got a little extra money in that card. I didn't go to college. I don't know. What's that thing you buy the card? I also never went to school. We didn't go to college. That's why we couldn't find the guy. I forget what it is. They used to give him a credit card when you go to college that you get a certain amount of points that you can buy food with at that point. I forget. It's a commissary card or whatever they call it. Yeah, he got a lot of commissary money apparently. In 23, 13 games, 34 receptions, 341 yards, 7 touchdowns, 62.5 PFF. In 22, 11 games, 20 receptions, 328 yards, and 4 touchdowns. He's got a high ceiling, and that's one thing I like about him because he's still a work in progress. That's where he's at. This guy's going to end up being kind of similar to Dallin Hawker there. He's going to be a guy that you're going to have as a backup tight end, and you're going to see if you can develop him eventually to become a full-time starter there. He's got great hands. He's got great size. The problems with him go is he's also got a little floor. That's part of the problem with raw players at that point. High ceiling, low floor because you don't know where they're going to end up and what their best is going to be. It also depends on what team he goes to as well because he's the right coach when it comes to that point. Yeah, he does need to also learn to expand his route tree. There's certain routes he runs very well, and Penn State just kind of stuck to those routes. They're like, okay, you do this well and this well. We're going to stick to that. Apparently, college is not the place you go to learn. He's not very good at blocking overall, so he's got to learn that as well. Again, when you're a wide receiver, that's not nearly as big a thing as when you're a tight end. He's also the guy who's just not very good at yak, which is weird because we showed two videos in the beginning with him doing yak well, but it's just not his specialty. So I do think that once you get him into a team at that point, he's going to be the backup receiving tight end that you put on. That's kind of where his cage has been for us the last couple of years. Or... the guy that you're looking to develop into an eventual starter at that point. And there's guys I've seen have both opinions of him. I don't know which one he's going to be because, again, that's what you got. You got a high ceiling, low floor possibility. The range is everywhere. But if you like what you see and you think you're the guy who can coach him and you think he's a guy who is coachable... Because, again, no one ever talks about that when they look at rookies. Is he coachable? If this guy is coachable, if Dallin Hawker is coachable, those are two guys that could develop into, you know, good tight ends here in this league. So next up, guys, is number five. So before we do that, guys, we got to pay the bills real quick and go through all the comments here. Connor's been going wild in the comments. I see him. I see him. He's going crazy. Going crazy. Enjoying the show. Looking for more goofball action. Consider a membership at buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Memberships start at just $5 and give you additional goofball access. One-time support payments also available starting at just $3. Buymeacoffee.com slash two giant goofballs. Oh, yeah. So our comment section started with us actually apologizing for being late. I thought that was a very nice and very proper thing to put up there. And then Connor just attacks us. Says, see, when the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 9, that's 9 o'clock. That's when it's bright out, 9 a.m. When it's dark out, it's 9 p.m. Well, in the summer, 9 p.m. sometimes is... Yeah. It's dusk. Even though he's berating us, we apologized again and said, sorry, I need a digital clock. says rob must be napping again said no computer issues for drew almost back up I was talking in third person I don't know why connor says it's time for a training class these two goofballs and I said on punctuality good luck we'd be late for class that'd be hilarious uh I'll be there at 9 30. sorry now You know, honestly, if you ran a punctuality class, first off, it'd be hilarious to have a starting time at 9.30. Like, we actually expected going at 10 o'clock. Yeah. Roberto's always napping and Drew is always talking. Just got to blend them a little better, LOL. Is it a good thing I'm allowed to stay up to sleep for this or I'd be in trouble, LOL? Ooh, digital clock. They should be okay now. And then he said, yay, our daddies are here. But first off, we don't have any children together, Rob and I. We're not that kind of couple. Or any kids that we both know of. yeah I don't think so yeah yeah I don't think so yeah yeah I don't think so yeah I've been fooled before but whatever I've been fooled before but whatever Connor says, I'll take 10 tight ends. This is why you are not the GM of the Giants. Deb says, when the heck is Waller going to decide? Ridiculous. Honestly, again, I don't want to keep talking about this part of it there because I don't have anything to validate. I've heard a lot of rumors that he's dealing with issues with CTE. If that's the case, what I've heard... And again, these aren't sources that I want to sit there and say are legitimate to where I would say this is what's going on, folks. I'm just saying this is the only news I've heard from these sources. And there's nothing that I can see that anybody's backed up in the actual media or anything like that to say, okay, this is true. But if it is... From everything I'm hearing, he wants to play. It's just he's dealing with after effects and he's worried about the long-term effects and all that kind of stuff. If that's the case, I get it. You're going to want to play and be afraid to play at the same time. If anything, the fact that he's taking so long tells me he does want to play. If he didn't want to play, he'd just stop already. It's not the money. He's got enough money. He's made enough money. Listen, he's overcome a lot of different things. You can't overcome Daniel Jones as a quarterback. But I'm just saying, like, yep, like you said, he obviously wants to play. He wants to try to maybe overcome CTE, but who does that? Because look at Chris Benoit. Yeah. Again, you've got to worry about your long-term health. Connor says, Waller better not retire. He needs to make up for the lack of playing. That's just him at this point. I'm sorry, but that is. He says, did you say tip? That's what we're talking about, tip. He says, just a tip, honey, swear. Just a tip, honey. Just one. Pert got dealt. We're going to talk about that. No, Pert was a free agent. Aquero was retiring. Yeah, Romeo Aquero can retire all he wants. I have no love for that guy whatsoever. He bashed the Giants like you wouldn't believe. When he was in Detroit, he even said he hoped his brother would go nowhere near Giants. So, yeah, he definitely falls in that category of once a Giant, not always a Giant. connor says thought you said wiry I love that part of the replaces movie about the kicker he's wiry there is a wiry thing yeah some people use that word he says I prefer to hit lol he says did you ever notice how we end up picking for aging guys or trades and then they suck for us so they don't play after we sign them they got to do better at picking guys up let me just put it this way to you guys if a player is very very good very good He doesn't usually hit the open market. Teams that go and trade somebody is because of one reason. Either they don't think they have the physical talent anymore or they're too much of a headache and they're not worth it. That's typically what it is. People don't go, you know what I got? I got this great player. Team player, never causes issues, good leader in the locker room. Every year he just excels. He does very good. Let's trade him. I'm going to say that's like 75, maybe two-thirds of the time that's the case. The only time someone trades someone in that scenario like that, that's a good player, that doesn't cause issues, blah, blah, blah, is if it's somebody that they're going to lose in free agency and they want to trade them before they lose them. I was going to say there's that. Look at Brian Burns. Brian Burns is a classic example there with us doing that this season. Yeah, and now it's up to us to pay him. Yeah, and then we just overpaid him, but that's a whole other topic. Connor says, did you get your GED? Chris Rock says, good enough diploma. No, we were high school graduates, goddammit. Yeah, I have diploma. I have my technician's degree in auto mechanics, too, on top of that. Oh, you fancy. Fancy like Applebee's on a date night. Deb says, Connor, that's because we seem to pick up people with previous injuries. You get what you pay for 100%. 100%. We love picking up free agents and drafting players and trading for players with injuries. Luckily, Spider has no injury history there, so. it's like us going right now to walmart to the dvd then uh clearance that's a free agency right now with andrews yeah but every so often there's a blu-ray disc in there yeah but it's a transformer seven and a half not even the full sequel That's the good one, when the robots dress up and drag. Connor says, I know, Deb, still. Let's get guys that will get better, or what's the point of getting them to give a younger guy a chance? Again, that's what we've got to do in the drafts. That's what we've got to do. Draft, draft, draft, draft, draft. We've been saying that forever. That's why we talk about the draft so much with you guys beforehand so you guys know the players and what the options are. Connor says 10 tight ends as in 10 female booties. Tight ends, Drew. Some guys have tight ends too, Drew. I think Connor... bowling I also squat how do you feel connor says that's my point don't pick up guys with maybe pick up guys young guys rather give them a chance yeah again you gotta team and the best way to improve your team is through the draft not picking up through the draft this is why I love trading down and getting more draft picks yeah you want to build a depth team You do it through the draft with a lot of draft picks. If you notice, during their heyday, besides the fact they had Tom Brady, one of the things the Patriots did very well was trade down, trade down, trade down. Just collect the schnikey load of picks. Keep on, you know, re-going with that roster at that point. And that's what we got to do. He says, rah-rah, Roberto. All right. Rah-rah. Let's get into our top five. Ooh, we're halfway there. Whoa! Next up, we have Jaheim Bell out of Florida State. And you're probably going, here's another guy with two schools again. What the hell? Florida State last year, but the prior three seasons that he was playing at South Carolina. That's why the video's got him in South Carolina garbs there. Six foot two, 241 pounds, 22 years old. has lined up as a fullback plenty of times in his career as well. So he's got that ability too if you want to go to old school. 23, 13 games, 39 receptions for 503 yards, two touchdowns, four rushes for two yards and a touchdown, and a 73.4 PFF. It's not a bad grade there. The year before, keep in mind this is him in South Carolina. They used him a whole lot more as a fullback, a fullback-h-back tight end combo kind of deal there. 12 games, 25 receptions for 231 yards, 73 rushes for 261 yards, which is a 3.6-yard per carry average, by the way, in case you're wondering. And he had five touchdowns overall. So, I mean, this is a guy that's got some experience doing a couple different types of roles at that point there. But he wanted a chance to go ahead and show that he actually can be a receiving type of tight end. As far as the pros, very explosive, twitchy. Could call him Wiry Connor if you want. Yeah. He's got good yak ability. And, again, he's got that fullback ability. He played well when he was a fullback at South Carolina there. So, you know, if you want a guy that's going to play that kind of role at that point, if you don't have a full-time fullback... but you want a guy who plays tight end to occasionally go into that kind of role, this is a good get for you. Cons-wise, he did struggle against the press. Again, he's just 241 pounds there, so I think some of that might be the weight issue there. One thing to keep an eye on, it didn't affect him in college, but he did tear his ACL back in high school, so you kind of want to keep an eye and make sure the medical stuff matches up and everything's good there. And he also didn't play in the line much as even though he was playing tight end position, he was more like a, a big slot guy over in Florida state there. So, you know, if you want him to play the more of the traditional inline tight end, you got to teach him that. And that's going to be a process there because again, he didn't play full-time tight end. He was tight end slash fullback for much of his career there. So yeah, There's going to be some rawness there. I think he's going to be a fourth-round pick. I think he's going to be a guy that you're going to see. I actually think Theo Johnson, who we just talked about prior to him, will be drafted ahead of him. But I think that Jaheim Bell has got a little more potential, and I think he's one of those guys that, again, could be a very good backup tight end in this league. There's not a lot of guys in this draft I'm going to tell you to be good starters. But this is, again, a guy that I think is a good backup. And as we said, a lot of the guys that get drafted later on Sometimes that turns into to be the guys who with him the best at tight ends in this NFL So this is one of those guys that could develop and become one of these Household names at the tight end position. They're gonna tight end you every single offseason and everything. So But yeah, this is this is a decent player if we were like the fourth fifth round or something that and this guy popped up He'd be too good for us to pass up my mind Agreed. Yeah Especially he's been over fullback I was about to say, he's a blocker. That's why he's got a higher PFF grade. You put him at fullback. You can put him outside the line. You can teach him the line a little bit. You can full defenses on if he's going to block, if he's going to run. Especially without having Barkley. You got to put a little beef in the backfield over there. Beef. It's what's beef. Beefcake. Beefcock. He can use a little beefcake. Yeah. Put them on the north side of, you know, 250. Yeah, like I said, that's... That's where you're going to start seeing, I think, some changes with him. I think if he learns to play the in-line spot, that's the big thing. If he can learn to do that, like I said, it's going to be a different ballgame at that point for him. I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens with him overall, see what he develops. He's someone to kind of keep an eye on. All right. Number four, number four, number four. Number four from Quattro Club. Oh, yes. Benson, not out of Kansas State. Going to Kansas City. Kansas City. Here we go. Six foot four, 250 pounds. Still just 21 years old, so really young. Started actually as a walk-on, as a fullback. And they converted him over to be a tight end. And so he's got a little bit of rawness still to him. But this is one of the guys, this is probably the first guy that I could say, you know what? Maybe he's a star of this league. You notice a lot of the guys I've said back up, back up, back up unless they develop higher. This guy, he's got that potential to be a starter in this league. He still needs a little development. I wouldn't start him year one. But he's got some potential here. Last year, 12 games, 49 receptions, 676 yards, six touchdowns, and 82.0 PFF grade. The year before, 14 games, 31 receptions, 447 yards, and four touchdowns. As far as the pros and cons, I'm there. He's great at break coming out of breaks. So if you want somebody all of a sudden to hit that hitch route, that hook route at that point, which obviously is much of what you see a lot of tight ends do at that point. They're not particularly the quick guy who can burn out the corner at that point if they happen to have somebody like that on them. He's good at making those quick moves. He's very speedy overall for a tight end, though. He's got good hands. Yeah, for a guy that's, you know, 250 pounds and probably will get bigger, he is a very, very fast guy. Very agile. Yeah. His blocking needs some work, though. And honestly, it's got a low ceiling. It's so bad that I don't think he's ever going to be the guy that you go, oh, this is that two-way tight end that blocks and catches. He's going to be mostly a catching, a receiving tight end. That's what he's going to be. But the big thing is you want to see if he can develop and he doesn't embarrass himself. That's all, blocking-wise. And just also, like you said, he started... There's a walk-on fullback. That's another guy that you could put in the backfield, on the line, and in a slot. Yep. He also doesn't have great athletics. We talked about his speed. His speed's good, but it's just that overall freakish athletic kind of abilities, the twitchiness, the stop on the dime kind of change direction kind of stuff. He just doesn't have it. But he's very raw still, and that also goes in the combat. It goes in the pros as well. Because he did good things there in Kansas State. And before he went there, he was never a tight end. That's a key thing of this. He's still learning the position. So you go, okay, maybe he develops into something good. Like I said, I got to give him a year as a backup. And I think... Within a year or so, he's going to be a potential starter in this league. I really do. I think the end of the third round is where I would see him going at that point there. And I do think the number we have for him will be where he'll be taken in the draft. I think he'll be the fourth tight end taken overall in this draft. Yeah, most likely. Maybe high fourth. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at the end of the third round. Yeah. Next up, another interesting one here. Kate Stouffer. I almost said Kate. Kate Stouffer out of Ohio State there. There we go. So we talked about Cade before because actually we mocked him in one of our mock drafts we had that we did on the show there. 6'4", 247 pounds, 23 years old. So good size. Also played linebacker in Edge while he was there in Ohio State, particularly early on in the years there. Wasn't the best at it, but you know, started off his career that way. Obviously, he was good in high school at it. Wouldn't have made it to Ohio State otherwise. But, yeah, they saw he had some good hands. They converted him over to a tight end and it went pretty well. He's also a former basketball player at Ohio State as well, so a two-sport kind of guy. Last year, 12 games, 41 receptions, 576 yards, five touchdowns, a 75.6 PFF grade. Looks like that linebacker's position helped out with some of the PFF grade. Some of that, apparently. Last year in 22, 13 games, 36 receptions, 406 yards, and five touchdowns. Now, one issue we come across right now with him is he actually hurt himself at the combine. So you really need to look at the medical and see what's going on there. He had a back injury. Actually, it was actually at the Combine. I'm sorry. He hurt himself at the Peach Bowl, and that kept him out of the Combine. So we'll have to see if we get any kind of individual pro day for him or something like that so the teams have a chance to take a look at him. He's explosive. He's fast. He's a good blocker. But he's also raw. He needs to improve his route tree. And I don't think his ceiling is ever going to be elite. But I think it's going to be good to above average. I think he'll be a good starting tight end of this league here. But you're going to have to kind of take a little bit of the bad with the good as far as the fact that he's very raw. But anytime you can get the kind of numbers we just showed you there with somebody who's also good to block... I mean, his numbers aren't that far off necessarily from Ben. We just talked about a Kansas State before him. So talking 40 more yards, their second of last season, 100-yard difference the senior year here the last year. But overall, not that huge of a difference for a guy who's a whole lot better of a blocker. Yeah, and you put the raw in the cons. To me, that rawness, to me, Maybe should be waived above Khan. Maybe not so much in pro, but you have to talk about the rawness. You talk about a guy that literally came dirty and raw. Raw tight end. But when you come in that line... When you come to college and you're on the offensive line, that's how you got... drafted... Yeah, that's how you got to Ohio State. It's being a good linebacker edge position, but you get converted to a tight end. That just tells me you're a really good blocker. And you also have hands. Being raw in that position... Yeah. It's not necessarily a bad thing because he's still learning to be like a runner instead of sitting there and waiting for a block and a tackle. So like there's a lot of room for growth, but there's a high ceiling here. So that rawness, going back to it, it's not necessarily a bad thing. He's the guy that I think will start from day one. I really do, depending on who picks him up. If somebody who picks him up has established tight end and wants a really high quality backup, I get that option too. If you need a good starting tight end, the big three here, they're really the guys that you want. Number two and number three at that point, you probably want to have a decent veteran backup just for some guidance and just in case they're not as good as we think they are. But I mean, this is kind of the cream of the crop kind of this position here now we're getting into. So he's also going to be probably a third-round pick. I would say probably early to mid-third round at that point there. I think someone will take him there. But it all depends really on where the number two guy we're about to talk about in a minute goes because I think once he goes, you're going to start people saying, okay, well, there's three really good tight ends here. We got to make sure we get one of them. Let's take this guy now. So this is number two drops. Number three is going pretty fast behind him. Yeah, because like I said, you know, Vincent is the number four there. He needs some work there at that point there, you know, especially at blocking. So do you really want to put yourself in to count on a guy who's not the best at blocking to be your starting tight end, depending on what kind of offense you have, obviously. But for a lot of offenses, that won't work. It won't. So, all right. number two number two who does number two work for we'll find out during the draft jatavian sanders out of texas All righty. So 6'4", 245 pounds. Just 20 years old, guys. Really young. Another guy who played on defense as a freshman. So he's still, again, learning the position. Last year, 23, 14 games, 45 receptions, 682 yards, two touchdowns, one rush for 12 yards, a 75.6 PFF grade. The year before, 13 games, 54 receptions, 613 yards, five touchdowns. So two really good back-to-back similar seasons there. The big difference when you look at Jatavian Sanders versus Kate Stover is do you want the guy that's the better receiver? Or do you want the guy who is the better blocker? Sanders is the better receiver. Stover is the better blocker. But I do think if it was me, I'd go for the receiver. Again, depending on what I already have on the roster, just because I feel like there's a lot of really good blocking tight ends out there in this league. There's only a handful of really special receiving tight ends. There's only so many of the T.J. Hawkinsons and people like that of this NFL. I'm not even going to the George Kittles and the Travis Kelseys. I'm saying even of that ilk. And they make a huge difference when you have them. On the pro side, athletic, good hands, can high point the ball very well as well. He's definitely got that former basketball player kind of mentality, Antonio Gates. I don't know if he played in high school. I didn't see anything about him playing in college. I didn't look for it. Very fast as well for his size. Um, as far as his cons, the blocking is where it comes into. He's a really bad run blocker. So he's not necessarily running from it though. No pun intended. So, you know, maybe again, he can improve in that. He's decent at best at past blocking. So he's not horrible, horrible at that, but he's not the new go. I need to get him to really sure up that past blocking. Um, No. But if you've got to keep him in line because you've got an extra rusher and you want to make a change at the line at that point, you're not going to regret having him there either. But he's another guy who's very raw again. He started off, like I said, he played high school primarily at defense. He got brought into Texas to be a defender. And they just saw the potential and switched him up at that point there. I have him going like late second, early third is where I think he's going to end up going in this draft there. But he could very well go mid to high second. That wouldn't shock me either because... There's only one guy ahead of him, and he's going to go very early on. So it's a matter of how desperate this – whoever not get this first guy that needs a tight end go, you know, we better get this guy while we can. Yeah, I see him on the lower part of the second round, but you're right. Once the numero uno guy goes, it's – Yeah. I don't think it'd be a first round because he's not a first round talent, but it wouldn't shock me for somebody that we think is like a late second to go in the early second just because somebody wants to fill the need. You should never draft that way, but plenty of people do. Yeah. Yeah. People get stuck. Exactly. So, all right. We got one more guy. That's him. One more guy. I told you. There's not a lot of tight ends to talk about here, so. Got to do a half-hour episode? What's going on here? I know. Not like Monday. Still tired from Monday. Number one. Should be no surprise. Anybody knows about this position in the draft. Brock Bauer. Oh, yeah. And this guy, I'm telling you right now, is like the most sought-after... tight end in a draft in a long time a long long time um you know it's he's he's just there's something special about this kid and if you watch him you can see it I don't think that I've seen a guy come out with this much hype probably since Kyle Pitts. And the difference between him and Kyle Pitts is he's a good blocker. He's not a receiving tight end specifically. So out of Georgia, obviously, 6'3", 243 pounds, 21 years old, so still pretty young too. Last year, 10 games, 714 yards, 6 touchdowns. Again, 10 games, guys. Wasn't 12, wasn't 13. Six rushes for 28 yards and a touchdown, 84.4 PFF grade. And I believe that's the highest by far of anybody else we had. I think we had a couple. Yeah, that was the highest. But that's just about mid-80s there at that point there. Prior here in 22-15 games, 942 yards, seven touchdowns, nine rushes, 109 yards, and three touchdowns. Anytime you break 1,000 total yards at tight end, you're doing something right. You're doing something right. Athletic. Good route running. He's a total coverage mismatch because he's that. I know it's said in a lot of guys. Listen, sometimes I cringe when I hear this myself when I'm watching a game and they say this because they say it about almost every good tight end. But for Brock Bowers, it's true what I'm about to say. He's too big for a corner to cover. And he's too fast for a linebacker to cover. you almost see that freak of nature tweener kind of linebacker that's got that safety speed and that hitting ability of a linebacker, and that's who you really need to have on him. Like an Isaiah Simmons kind of player at that point there, athletic-wise. I'm not even sure Isaiah Simmons would be the guy I want on him. I don't think he necessarily is that good on coverage compared to this, but I'm saying that kind of athletic ability is what you want. On the con-wise, he is a bit small. He could use a couple pounds. Like I said, I like to have my tight ends over 250 if I can. But 243 is not that far off. We're just really picking because there's not much to pick on, to be very frank. Yeah. He also has a little bit of trouble sometimes boxing out. So if you get him in that tight coverage kind of spot at the end zone or right in the sideline at that point, you need him to box the guy out. He's just not his specialty. But again, no player's perfect. And that's something that could be worked on. course anything can be worked on it's a matter of whether that works actually anything can be worked on but yes it can I can work on trying to be taller if I wanted to it's probably not going to do anything as I say how are you going to work on it though I can stretch myself yeah and then gravity and next couple of that yeah half a day it's gonna make it short again I can stretch myself and stay laying down for a while so that way gravity doesn't have the effect on me. I mean, there's different things I can do to make myself gain an interest. That's not going to make you a better ball player, though. I didn't say that. Proving a point that you can work on anything. Not really. Gravity's gravity, man. You go right back to where you were. Okay, now I have defying gravity in my head from Wicked. It's a good show, by the way. I'm looking forward to the movie when it finally comes out. i should be good to play good I should be good to play good I should be good to play good yeah yeah the play yeah you're gonna yeah yeah the play yeah you're gonna yeah yeah the play yeah you're gonna hear about that they're making a movie hear about that they're making a movie hear about that they're making a movie out of it out of it out of it I heard they're making a movie I heard they're making a movie I heard they're making a movie I didn't know their show I didn't know their show I didn't know their show I saw the play it was a book then it I saw the play it was a book then it I saw the play it was a book then it became the play and now becoming a became the play and now becoming a became the play and now becoming a movie Ariana Grande's in it. She apparently slept around one of the guys on the movie at that point. Well, he slept around too as well. It takes two to tango. And both of them were married, so this caused all kinds of issues in the gossip columns and all over it. But yeah. But anyway, to get off of the wicked category and Ariana Grande's cheating habits, Brock Bowers, like I said, he's going to be a stud wherever he goes. And it's funny because I think he's going to be a top 10 pick. But there's a lot of guys, and I feel like if it was any other draft, he'd be like a top five pick. He's that good. But when you have three to four quarterbacks going to go in the top 10 potentially, if not top five picks, And then you have three really good receivers. And at least one tackle that you can probably call a stud. We'll get to that tackle talk later, obviously next episode here. But he's going to hate a little more. It's a little more top heavy this draft than a lot of the prior drafts have been. Because I really think in a lot of drafts, if he had come out any of the year, basically, he'd be probably a top five pick. He's that good. 100%. And I also think from everything you just said, he might get edged out of the top ten pick, but he's not far off just based off talent. And it's not anything against him. It's more of the positional value of what is available coming out of the draft. Oh, yeah. And it's definitely not a knockout of him because there is a freak athlete coming out of this draft in that tight end position. And just like you said, too fast for a linebacker, too big for a corner, too furious for the safety. Well, I mean, here's how I look at it. We got the Bears, the Commanders, the Patriots. We're pretty much thinking quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. Like we said before, top six. Top six. Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, receiver, receiver, receiver. Wide receiver, wide receiver for Cardinals, Chargers, and us. The Titans are up next at that point. The Titans have a young tight end. They have offensive line issues. I would think they'd go get a guy like Joe Walt. The Falcons already have Pitts. They're not going to go ahead and take him at that point. Nope. So what you're really looking at is the Bears, but they got Cole Komet. Do they want to get a second really good tight end? Then you got the Jets, who could use a guy like him, and I think Aaron Rodgers would like having him. But then you got the Vikings, who already have TJ Hawkinson. Then you got Broncos. I mean, it's like if the Bears or the Jets don't want him, I feel like he could drop out of the top 10. Those are the two guys that you would think. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops out, and it's not because he's not talented. It's just because the positional player value and what is coming out of this draft. Oh, yeah. But he definitely will go early in this draft. Yeah, I mean, I'm curious to see real quick for where Brock Bowers even is projected to go here and there. Yeah, Brock Bowers, if you go to the draft position on most people's mocks, they have him anywhere from 9 to 11 is what Fantasy Pros is showing at that point there. So, yeah. Again, I can see him dropping to 12 even for the Broncos, but he's not making it past that. And again, whoever gets him... I think he's going to be a really special player. I don't think, and it's really rare to hear this. You'll hear me often talk about the fact that tight end is a position that you don't necessarily want to count on as a rookie. It takes some time to develop. This kid's going to go in day one. And he's going to be a really good day one. He might have a few bumps in the road. He'll improve over time. Don't get me wrong. That part will still be there as part of it. As any rookie. Freshman in the hiccups. But he is going to be something special. I'm telling you right now. He's going to be potentially the best tight end you see coming out of the draft. I think he's better than Pitts. I think he's going to be the best tight end coming out of the draft. I'm trying to think who the last one was. With this kind of hype, I mean, there's not really anybody I can think of to compare him to. It's really hard, especially at where he's projected to go. It seems to make sense to Travis Kelsey, but guess what? Travis Kelsey was third or fourth round. People knew he was a jerk back then. They didn't want to draft him, let's be honest. Same thing with Kettle. No Fane had a lot of hype too, but Yeah, T.G. Hawkinson had a lot of hype as well. You know, Kellen Winslow Jr., when he got drafted, had a lot of hype out of him. Jeremy Shockey. Pretty well for us. Yeah, I mean, but I could see him having a Shockey kind of rookie year. And Shockey had a really good rookie year, guys. But I could see him having that kind of rookie year, but without the attitude. Yes. Yes. He doesn't have that personality, and that's not a bad thing, guys. Not to not even shock you for it at that point, but he's a little more wholesome, a little more quiet. So... All right. Let's get a little bit of Giants news here, guys, before we head on out. And then we're going to go ahead, and obviously we have a couple more questions here we're going to go through as well here for you guys here. But we do have some Giants news. We signed somebody today. We lost a couple players today. So let's talk about it. It's time for the news. Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. So the re-signing, I'll start with that. Somebody I'm kind of shocked we brought back again. Darnay Holmes re-signed to a one-year contract there. Haven't seen any word on money yet, so I don't know if it's just purely a camp invite kind of contract or if it's a legit contract, but... Listen, he's like a bad penny. They've been trying to get rid of him for years, but they keep bringing him back for some reason. You know my thoughts on him. I'm not too big a fan. There's a lot worse out there in the league, don't get me wrong, but I just feel like he doesn't always show up at the biggest moments. He gets some really bad defensive holding calls and stuff like that on him, pass interference calls at some of the worst times in the game. He gets some good rubs in the sideline. It's still weird, the thing. But yeah, he's back. He's back. Now, who's not back? Jihad Ward signed today with the Minnesota Vikings. Rob and I were very clear on that from the get-go. Once Wink was gone, there was no Jihad Ward. He was probably not coming back. So, yeah. Did you see him in license plate guy on Twitter? Who? No. Him in license... So... a little bit I don't know if it was tongue-in-cheek but he put up that yeah he's going to the minnesota vikings and then you see license plate guy just respond with just like 12 middle finger emojis going across I see that now it went up six hours ago and already at home's answers but like uh you know or crying like rolling on the floor laughing like three times with another six middle fingers going back at him oh he even says right here about it being a joke he said I wish him well I wish I could have told the other guy good luck okay I didn't see that part Yeah, but apparently this is a thing they had back and forth for a while. I don't know. We're not the Twitter people that are on nonstop to know these things, but apparently that's a normal thing. They did back and forth. Yeah, when I looked at it, it looked a little tongue-in-cheek. LPG's always been that guy who's gotten along with every single player, pretty much, I mean. Yeah. We have one more guy we lost today, guys. I know you're going to cry. Break out your tissues beforehand, guys. I don't know how we'll get over this loss. Offensive tackle Matt Peart today signed with the Denver Broncos. I'm in shock. I'm in shock. I thought year 17 would be the one for him. Feels like we should have given up on that guy years ago. We also had a free agent visit there. Offensive lineman Matt Nelson, formerly of the Detroit Lions, made a free agent visit with the Giants there today. He was an undrafted free agent back in 2020. He's gone back, unfortunately, being a backup and a starter. Probably his biggest year was he started 11 of his 13 games at right tackle back in 21. Right tackle is primarily where he plays most of his action there. He missed all of last year with an ankle injury. I don't want to bury the lead here with this whole story, so I'm going to say it again. He plays mostly right tackle. He has started right tackle before. Am I being obvious enough? I hope so. I'm not trying to be shy about this. They're bringing in more and more right tackle competition. I'm telling you right now, Evan Neal will not start at right tackle this year. And if he does, we're burning down my life. Burning down to the ground. Who normally flips over burgers at right tackle? exactly I'm telling you watch him be a bench player watch if what because if they're getting other guys who they think have played right tackle watch them put a luminor over at like you know guard and then put somebody like this at right tackle and evan neal is now sitting on the bench as a swing tackle and all the fans coming in with burgers to throw at him Oh, my gosh. It's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. But as a family, we could. That's what matters. Because we pay the bills. We pay the bills. Remember that, guys. All right, guys. So that's it for tonight here. Appreciate you guys watching. And we do have a scheduling change we're going to have to announce real quick as well. So obviously we usually do Thursday night. Tomorrow night. Yeah. So we're going to change up here. And we're going to do Friday night. What are we doing? What, 8 o'clock on Friday, Rob? Yeah, sounds good. 8 o'clock on Friday, we're going to do you guys. So he's got a sudden book there Thursday night, so we're not able to do that. That's on me. I'll take the blame on that one. I'm going to Disney again. But we're hoping to get it pre-taped beforehand so we can have it on Thursday for like usual. We're just a little behind on some of the notes here for drafting, you know, for scouting some of these draft players here. So want to make sure we do it right. I was also taking a nap before the show. Couldn't do it. Listen, we're never going to rush the episode and do it wrong for you guys there because we want to be where you all can, you know, have your water cooler talk at work about different people that are draftable and all that kind of fun stuff there. So, you know, and actually feel like you know what's going on. So let's go through the questions here before we head on out here. Okay. Connor says, this is why Giants should hire us to bounce off our recommendations. If it depends, how do we get a bonus check? Win-win. No, we get a goddamn bonus check no matter what, Connor. How many GMs are wrong and still get paid a ton of money? Deb says, is it easier to teach a blocking tight end to catch or to teach a catching tight end to block? Or can't be done? It depends on the scenario and the individual, but I'm going to say it's probably easier to learn how to block a little better than it learns how to catch because you either got hands or you don't but you still got a big body that could be in the way of someone else and it depends on the individual like I said yeah there was you know when we talked about this there you know we we we had said that you know jared wiley let's use him as a good example out of tcu he's aggressive with his blocking He's just not very good at it. So he has the will, just not the technique. That's the guy that as long as he's coachable, it's very easy to teach him that. And he may not ever be great at blocking, but it's easy to improve his blocking. Now, if you get a guy that's a little more stubborn and stuck in his ways... and doesn't have the will to do it, then that's more difficult. So I would say it's probably equal on them, but it's really more dependent as far as the player and the individual than it is on the skill they're lacking, if that makes sense. Correct. There's also a reason why some receivers move to cornerback. Because you can't improve certain hand skills in casting. No. No. You either have good hands. So when you're a blocking tight end, how much can you improve casting the ball? Compared to if you're 260 pounds and you can catch the ball, but you're not blocking very well. And I agree. I agree. And that's what I said before. It depends on the individual on certain cases. But if you got a big body person and if you put them to block and they set up an extra, you know, one second where you're running back or your quarterback, but you could teach me to give him two seconds, even though the best guy come out of the draft gives him three seconds. You still made a significant improvement on how your line is going to uphold. And I feel like there's three things that you really can't teach. Speed, hands, and size. Because we can want a guy to be 270 pounds like Tip Raymond is out there in Illinois. But let's be honest, Dylan Hawker out of Colorado State there is probably never going to add 30 more pounds onto him and be tip size. Yeah. you probably don't want him to be because he serves a different role but I'm just using as an example like sometimes you just can't add size and sometimes you max out for what you need to be at that point sometimes you can't teach hands to get better it's not technique it's just not good hands sometimes you can't teach a guy to speed you're gonna be speedy faster at that point it's not always a technique thing Now, sometimes with technique, you can help improve their speed overall. You know, get the right stride formation, that kind of stuff. And you can help it a little bit. But everybody's got a ceiling. And that's what it really boils down to. Like I said, I hate to give kind of a no answer to Deb there because, you know, we love Deb there. But it's the honest truth. It's much more about who the player is. and what skills they need to, you know, what their ceiling is in those particular skills than it is if they're a blocking tight end that you want to teach to catch or a catching tight end that you want to teach to block. Correct. Like, you're never going to teach a Lauren Cater to be a better blocker. See, I disagree with that because he's a converted wide receiver, and I think he's been working on that. He's probably better now than he was when he first came in. So you agree to version of what I just said, then. Fantastic. As you said, it's usually easier to teach him. Anyway. But is he going to be the stud blocking tight end? Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. Probably not. All right. We got Sports Fiend says, damn, I just tuned in. Well, and he mentioned my guy, Ben Sinatra. Yeah, he was number, what, four was he for us, I believe? Yeah, number four. So, yeah, you'll have to go a little bit towards the, when we're done here, towards the middle there. We'll talk about him there. But we do plan it up. eventually go ahead and get everybody over to a on YouTube. We're going to do draft profiles for each of the individual players as well, which should be cut from these episodes here too. So anything you miss or any player you want to learn up on at that point there, we will have those all up there for you guys. Hopefully this weekend I can go through and do that kind of stuff there for us because we got a lot to put up there. And if I put too much up at once, YouTube gets mad and scolds me. They do. They get mad. I don't know why. They really do. They're like, you're spamming us. And they'll just stop showing it to people because they're like, you're putting up too much. I'm sorry, too much? You can never have enough goofballs, okay? The people sit there and say, oh, this is too much chocolate. I can't take it anymore. Oh, it's a spicy goofball. The people say this is too much cheese. I can't take this. No! Something you can't have enough of. The goofballs are one of them. So, again, guys, we will see you guys at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time Fridays. We've got a little bit of schedule change this week here. Again, we'll be going over all the top tackles. We're going to do 15 tackles coming into this draft here for you guys. So a lot of the big names obviously will be there. And I can tell you this. One of the rankings that we have will be completely different that where a lot of people have one individual person here. I don't want to give it away, but there's one guy I think is very overrated in this draft here. So be prepared to be shocked and amazed. As always, we are live on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter slash X, Twitch, and of course, Instagram. I want to remember to start it, which I did today. Hello, Instagram. And of course, Rob's favorite... Drew's LinkedIn page. Oh, yes. And, of course, we're always available the next day on all the audio podcast platforms at 5 a.m. Eastern. That's when I usually set the episodes to drop. They're on, of course, Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, all the big ones there, Amazon, Google Podcasts. You pretty much name it, we're on it there. Appreciate you guys for listening in, as always. And like I said, I hope you guys enjoyed the show there. I always hate to go because the longer we're on, the higher the ticks of people that are watching are on here. We're almost at 100 people watching right now. Appreciate you guys for listening in, as always. If you missed part of it, again, go ahead at the back track there. Start at the beginning. Keep in mind, Wednesday, we also did all the top 20 wide receivers there. And we also did, what, a week or two ago, we did all the top six quarterbacks, the big ones there. We're living long and prosper here? Okay. Yeah, I did that for Connor. okay oh is that kind of the comment section causing trouble again um oh yeah he says bye don't don't be late next time you'll be known as the lazy goofballs remember connor it's friday 8 p.m eastern just saying and it hates we changed maybe 805 yeah maybe 805 depending on how late rob is oh all righty guys we'll see you guys again friday appreciate you guys as always and as always giant fans Go, J-Man! Go, J-Man! Thanks for listening to Two Giant Goofballs, a New York Giants podcast. We appreciate your support. Thanks so much.