NY Giants News, NFL Coaching Updates, & NFL Week 12 Recap

In the latest episode of "2 Giant Goofballs," Drew and Rob delve into a multitude of riveting topics spanning the New York Giants, NFL coaching updates, and a comprehensive recap of the action-packed Week 12 matchups.

The hosts commence the episode by addressing the explosive revelation made by Jay Glazer in the prior installment. Glazer hinted at a strained relationship between Giants head coach Brian Daboll and defensive coordinator Wink Martindale. The hosts navigate through the complexities of this revelation, juxtaposing it with the intriguing twist from the postgame press conference where Daboll handed Martindale the game ball after a recent victory. Daboll, in an attempt to downplay reported discord, humorously attributed their biggest argument to the last piece of pizza. Drew and Rob analyze these contrasting narratives, providing their unique perspectives on the potential coaching dynamics at play.

Transitioning seamlessly to the broader NFL landscape, the hosts meticulously dissect Week 12's matchups. Each game is scrutinized, providing insightful commentary on standout performances, unexpected upsets, and pivotal moments. Drew and Rob weave together a narrative that not only encapsulates the on-field action but also explores the strategic decisions, player dynamics, and the ever-evolving storylines that define the NFL.

The episode takes a deep dive into individual player performances, with a specific focus on standout players across various teams. Noteworthy achievements, such as Kayvon Thibodeaux's historic sack record and the impact of Leonard Williams' trade, are explored in detail. The hosts draw connections between these individual successes and their broader implications for the teams involved.

Shifting gears to Joe Schoen's recent bye week press conference, Drew and Rob provide an exhaustive overview of key points. Schoen's insights into upcoming free agents, the status of Daniel Jones, and potential quarterback moves in the upcoming draft contribute to a nuanced understanding of the Giants' future plans. The hosts dissect Schoen's candid acknowledgment of past decisions, particularly in the context of the punt returner situation, offering listeners a transparent view into the front office's reflections.

In addition to Giants-focused content, the hosts expand their coverage to encompass recent coaching changes across the NFL. Developments such as the firing of DC Jack Del Rio from the Commanders and the mid-season dismissal of HC Frank Reich from the Panthers are analyzed for their broader implications on team dynamics and future coaching hires. Drew and Rob bring their unique blend of analysis, humor, and genuine passion for the sport to every aspect of the episode.

With a rich tapestry of content that spans breaking news, in-depth game analysis, and forward-looking projections, this episode stands as a comprehensive guide for Giants fans and NFL enthusiasts alike, offering a captivating journey through the latest developments in the league.

Transcript

welcome to two giant goofballs a New York Giants podcast are you a goofball that loves Giant football if so sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much and now here are your goofball hosts Drew and Rob welcome pH goofballs the two giant goofballs of New York Giants podcast I am Drew joined as always by I me Rob what a bigger show we got to talk about oh we got so much news to go over there's news news and more there's press conferences there's people getting fired there's all kinds of chaos going on at the NFL NFL caught fire this NFL is on

Fire won't someone put out the fire so people blame Canada yeah even a real country anyway there's a team that went through three head coaches in the past four years since the new owner took over Insanity all right let's let's start breaking down all the news here so first we start off obviously if you missed it yesterday are you're living under a rock somewhere yesterday Jay Glazer uh had talked about wink and D saying basically the relationship wasn't the best and wink may be gone before the end of season we talked about that during the Press game uh the post game yesterday there there but also again as mentioned Brian dble even handed the game ball to wink after the game there um what we didn't go over is the postgame presser and all the kind of stuff that came out during that I know a lot of you guys are interested in what's going on behind the scenes there since that came out uh in the postgame presser dble said and this is quotes here the biggest argument that wink and I have had is over who has the last piece of pizza have a lot of respect for wink he's done a great job for leave it at that now then later he added now now before before we move on to it as a big guy see l a big guy sham another big guy I mean listen it's it's it's Jersey pizza so it's okay to I'll eat like six slices by myself so I've been known to eat a whole pie by myself it's it's it's listen I've done that now especially now like I'm I I I miss good pizza that's one of the wor New Jersey I'll take you awesome spot in edown I'm telling this is one of the worst things ever when you move to ad of Jersey in general but I can say to the Tampa Bay Area specifically the food is just never the same I there's a lot of Pros to go with don't get me wrong I'm not upset where I live obviously or I'd move but they're the food I miss I miss the food um anyway he said later on which is funny he said I'll leave it at that and then later on he adds to it let's leave it there anyway and then he says have a lot of respect for win he's a heck of a coach I'm glad he's on the staff um pretty much basically did everything positive he could have short of saying wink will be on the staff next year those words never came out of his mouth which I did find a little bit interesting but I'm also not shocked because there's still a lot of time to go decisions have to be made the end of the year lock and happen in the last five weeks I mean one I like I don't know how much I bought into Yesterday here and all that going in but we almost lost wink last year we almost lost CFA last year to had coach jobs yes he's playing we as still is do what he's done like granted like our offense is doing what it did last year but week has been pretty dominant in playing pretty good football with the talent that He has oh yeah so to say that he's not going to be there next year is not to say like he's G to get him fired what if he gets hired somewhere else well I don't think that he would have said that he would have said we we'd like to have him back next year or something like that would have been sufficient in that respect you know um yeah I think it's too much read into it I I I said I'm just saying that because there's a lot of in between the lines with these kind of of pressures always uh now today D had his bye-week presser bye bye bye bye bye uh dble said he's done in quotes done with talking about reports B his relationship with defensive coordinator wink marale and then proceeds to talk about it he says I just met I just met with wink a little ago we had Donuts more fat shaming there's more fat sh I swear it's like we need to we need to like set up winking D with like Weight Watchers or something godamn um D also our points together we had 30 cups of water he D was also asked about uh giving uh wink the game ball after the win uh he said basically did because we had another game of three turnovers and held them to Seven Points which I mean yeah yeah why that was there I don't know why there was even a question why' you give the guy the game ball whose side of the ball clearly is what determined the win yeah crazy um so Dory Jackson after the game was also asked about the issue uh and what happened what his reaction was to the report he said I was shocked like I said if you're gonna if they're arguing over anything it's probably the last piece of food there's so much fat shaming in this whole thing uh he said they don't get into it I see them every day I see their expressions their body language their faces they're always laughing having good time joking it was shocking to hear that um what I thought was interesting is you notice there's a food thing going on with all these things like we were joking around about it but part of that makes me believe it's true because it's such a specific thing to talk about and have multiple people now talk about it was it full F part of part of me is like is that like the company line they were told just tell them they get along greater they fight over anything it's food because they're both fat people find it funny it could be that or you know they fat shame each other in the locker room and talk about going on different types of food yeah I say people do have relationships like that and like you said it is New Jersey there's some good food I just don't know I just don't know which which way to think of it but I do think outside the box that that could have been the line that they were kind of told to say you know what I mean makes it more plausible most multiple people say it so we'll have to keep an eye the rest of the year and see where this progresses they're not going to tell us Point Blank if there's issues let's be honest wi kned be like yeah I hate that bastard I can't wait till the season's over to get like that's not but you could also underline it be like that that piece of [ __ ] took the last slice of pizza that's when the season was over but you know what I mean like that's not GNA come out so it's like we can't overanalyze too much we just have to say listen this is what they're saying they're not going to tell us the truth if it was bad so we have to kind of take it with a grain of salt but we have to hope that because a player is also saying these things that it's legit yeah that's what I'm saying like we heard one source of like how like mad they are at each other but let let's let's be honest I don't listen these are two big egos we talked about this yesterday two big OS used to winning of course they're gonna argue when they're not winning that's that's life but doesn't mean like they're that it's a they're breaking up over it yeah doesn't mean they lost respect they're went through a rough patch okay they'll make it through love finds the way to win godamn it listen you can do half pepperoni and half sausage if you guys want meat lovers Pizza is always the best a little chick chicken parm some fresh chicken cutlets from too's Mom on it did you see DeVito's dad yesterday oh yeah everybody did everybody did like H and yeah it's it's funny and the big thing everybody's trying to talk about what does this mean like it just doesn't have to mean anything okay it's just the thing people do it's an expression it's like I guess shaking your fist it's basically the same thing basically the same thing um all right on to the next thing here so we got Kayon Timo we got to talk about here because he had a half a sack yesterday he becomes the first giant to have 11 or more sacks in a season since jpp did in 2014 that's pretty impressive a decade that's a long time uh also extends his own record of course for most sacks in the season under defensive coordinator wink marale interesting because that um we talk about JPB there who literally just minutes before we came on just got signed by the Miami Dolphins off of the New Orleans Saints practice squad so Dolphins had some pass rusher injuries happen so they're going to see how much is left of the little tank there uh he you know what just if you're G to measure how much gas is in the tank don't measure with fingers just saying yeah or at least the left

hand just use the right hand not the left yeah well if you're GNA pay him ask him to use his right his left hand here we got this much left H now a lot of news been going out with the Giants too about the draft pick obviously we were winning the last couple weeks which is not good for our draft pick overall good for morale good for the season not good for the draft um one that hasn't been talked about too much we wanted to bring up is since the Leonard Williams deal first off the Giants are two and two which is which is interesting I'm just gonna say that's interesting because you would have thought losing a good player like that I'm not I'm not even disrespecting Leo he's a good player you would have thought losing a good player like that you'd go down no we're two and two since the trade um the Seahawks meanwhile are one and three they were five- two at the time so they're now up to six and five so while the Giants picks may be losing some value that second round pick has increased tremendously in value that pick is currently number 53 it was pick number 61 at the time of the trade going up eight spots is a good get that's like one quarter of the round you just went up basically yep so but also part of you just can't help but feel bad for Leo it's like is he cursed to be on losing teams goes from the Jets to the Giants the Seahawks tank like the second he gets there you see that I don't know who I don't know if he actually said it but there was a tweet that went out saying he wanted to go to a winning team he did go to a winning team he did I technically they're six and five they're still winning yeah I mean h it's it's almost to the point that I wouldn't be surprised because everyone thought Seahawks were definitely in a wild card who knows and everyone would laugh at you if the know the first month of watching Rams play if he said they're going to Wild Card actually my flipflop like I think the RS might might make the playoffs and Seahawks might lose you know they got a tough they gotta play the they gotta play 49ers again they gotta play they got a tough schedule coming up the Seahawks what's a shame is too is they're done with their extra first round draft picks from the Russell Wilson trade so they're on their own right now picking 22 so they decided to rebuild that offense and get rid of Gino remember that that was a one-year deal basically and after one year they decide if they want to keep him long term the way they structure that contract I'm not sure what's gonna happen there with gin gin might be getting punched by somebody else next year we'll see p Carol So speaking of draft standings the big one everybody wants to know obviously he the Giant the Giants are now sitting at number six in the first round so not too bad they win the game they only go down one spot guys so everybody freaking out yesterday won as far as the draft Capital let's see what happens there because a long way to go still but going down one spot and getting a win that's a win-win listen we're not No One's Gonna out underperform the Panthers this year they're in number one yeah they are definitely number one Chicago has that first pick overall I think pretty much settled yeah I mean and you look from there I mean Arizona has potential when sneak out a couple games yep loose loser spots the commanders the commanders now we frogged us they're number five I mean they can just go ahead the Bears could go on a tear at any point and you never know I mean it's unlikely but it's not like they have nothing the cabinet's not 100% like it is somewhere else Panthers I mean Justin fields at this point like yeah he's got for his job yeah he's I wouldn't be surprised if how many weeks you got left for the vars five weeks or six five weeks left yeah but with the buyer or not so oh oh well yeah either way either way it's five weeks okay so yeah if he goes 500 well he can't go 500 if you win three games well he could if he goes two two and one touche all right it be five touch not t that's disgusting pervert I mean think about it like not not that I want to to be like oh GI fans yes we're gonna lose but we gotta play Eagles twice though yep like I said we're gonna lose plenty of games guys don't you worry yeah alrighty let's get into Joe Shane's presser because that's the big one everybody's talking about here oh yeah oh yeah he says a lot of things that mean absolutely nothing let's be very Frank on that he is a very talkative man who gives up nothing yes hey you know what he is he's a good I I would hate to play PO with that man I would not want to play poker yeah that that's a very good analogy because he's gonna say what the fans want to hear he knows what it said no I would doubt no I would I would disagree with you on that what some of the said today all right no everything he says that was calculated to make somebody happy whether it's a fan or a player I'll put it that way yes there we go he's a very he's a goodan he's calculator I'm saying he's a politician nothing he says is not rehearsed all right let's get into what he did say so he was asked about the upcoming free agents he said that'll be postseason conversations um he said we'll leave that for after the season so they're not going to discuss with saquan Barkley Xavier mckenny any of those guys they're going to wait till after the seon season which tells you basically they want all their options at the end of the season to them because they have no clue what they want to do yet which is fair the way the season going yeah um so the expectation this is one I killed fans is that when healthy um DJ is going to be the starting quarterback for the Giants again he said again we don't have a crystal ball in terms of how rehab's going to go different patients respond difficultly to these surgeries and then whether there's going to be spelling at the knee or any setbacks nobody has a crystal ball in this but that's the expectation moving forward so the Giants are working with the idea that Jones will be the starting quarterback next year um people freaked out over that uh absolutely freaked out and rightfully so I get it to a certain degree because again DJ's had his chance he's had his time and people want to move on but here's the thing guys let's say hypothetically the Giants win a couple games and let's say they go to like their pick now like number 12 and I I don't know how far we can get I'm just playing it hypothetical here for you guys proba than that off but yeah I gotta you know what I'm saying I'm just kind of hypothetical here and let's say there's not a quarterback available they think is the guy they they think lead the franchise I don't want them reaching for a quarterback as much as I want a quarterback do not reach guys and you can't want them to because let's be very honest Shane and DA's job is on the line once they make that pick if this guy fails whoever they put to be the quarterback whether it's this draft or next draft that's their job right there their job will rise or fall based on what that guy does they will either get an extension or they'll be fired based on what that guy does so yes don't don't reach so let's say hypothetically they can't get a quarterback they think is the guy they might have to go with Jones for a little while or they might pick up a guy in the mid rounds that they think they can develop and see what happens I think they perfectly kind of just Nar Lely just played that line well Joe Chan play that line for that statement because expectations doesn't mean absolute expectation says if he's healthy yep also def find healthy in the NFL because you can sit there like exactly what I'm trying to say like so you could sit there play Devil's Advocate listen he wasn't that healthy like we just didn't know if he was a perfect starter blah like I said we'll have to see what happens and it's all going to determined based on who's available at the quarterback position what they do and of course they're going to expect it because they have nobody else they can say is definitely going to be on the roster that is better than DJ right now so of course that is the current expectation things can change be very careful reading too much into what he's saying yeah listen there's a lot of Giants fans out there that are saying oh give give d a chance give d a chance I'm GNA tell you what tell one thing watch him play the Eagles and let's see how many of you guys they give him a chance see what they what you say after that game he yeah he's not the long-term answer he's not guys he's playing really really crappy teams and he's doing just enough to beat them so all listen we beat up on the commanders and we which is what we've done for the past you know x amount of years oh yeah and we beat Patriots we squeaked beat the we I didn't want to say we beat we did well Tom V beat the cardos but we barely beat the Patriots Yeah like yeah do don't get too excited about him yeah now based on the comments he gave about DJ Joe Shane was asked about as far as uh you know if they would not draft a quarterback uh and was often brought up also about Tyrod Taylor's contract being up he said um he said no it doesn't I think we're going to have to do something on the quarterback whether it's free agency or the draft so that's telling you point blank they plan on getting a quarterback whether it's again whether it's a QB in the draft or whether it's when they get free agency and that'll probably be determined based on what they think of this year's QBs and who was available when they draft cra but they're gonna bring in somebody that at the very least will be a veteran who will compete with DJ for the job next year with them hoping that he wins because he's the guy they signed to a contract yeah so they're not gonna rush anybody else out there whoever's the best person and that's when DA's W from getg go ask Kenny gal doesn't matter what you're getting paid doesn't matter where you got drafted the player who's playing the best and gives him the best chance chance to win that's the guy who's going to be out there Point Blank oh good old Kenny G oh yes alrighty so he was also asked about Tommy DeVito he says DeVito has come a long way since he's arrived here in May as an undrafted guy that's a testament to his work ethic and buying into the process and uh Shay and Kafka and what they've teaching him he's taking care of the football the last couple weeks and he's done a good job he's got some Swagger and some presents about him the players like and they follow him so Swagger bringing back to the good old Jersey Shore Swagger 10 years ago Old Spice

Swagger uh yeah I mean like I said good review of him overall I mean we talked about this I think they're going to keep him and try to keep him as a long-term potential backup to whoever supplants DJ DJ will be here next year obviously because of the contract as much as we have talked about before probably better off without him because of the possible locker room Dynamic he's gonna be here guys with that contract he's goingon to be here they're not going to pay him $50 million sit at home I mean yes no we we talked that we don't we don't have to get into that listen I was proe keeping them remember last week like get rid of them no I would get rid of them I don't think they're gonna eat that kind of money to let him just go I really don't I wish they I wish they could figure a way around it but this doesn't make sense you're going to have to keep him I guess um Joe Shane was asked about uh Evan Neil as well which is a couple questions he got overall on him uh he said Evan's got got off to a really good camp had a concussion missed a couple weeks came back and needed to play better Evan needs to play better he knows that looking forward to him getting back there when he's healthy but I think he'd admit that there's some things he can do better and we look forward to him continuing to improve the only issue I have with that statement is him continuing to

improve there's been no improvement he's gone down he sucks he's been a roller coaster he's been he's been bad um I do a lot of low dips at high high rises and I I think we may not see him again till next year because dble kind of alluded that being a possibility also in his his pressor he had uh he was also asked about Neil moving to guard which I I know a lot of people including myself want to see happen um he said no I don't think so I went back and watched the Alabama stuff the kid can play we just got to get him more consistent like I've got a lot of confidence in Evan he's a hard worker it's killing him right now to be out there uh he's missing some valuable reps in year two but as soon as he's healthy he's scratching and claing to get back we're looking forward to him getting there but he knows there is some things he can do better and that's what we expect from him yeah I mean my I guess my hope would be just that I don't need to sit there and see the Giants go ahead and get somebody to be a obvious successor to Neil I just need to least some competition you know what I'm saying yeah some competition next year where we can go okay you know what Neil this is your spot to keep and what I mean by that is your spot to keep is you're going to have some competition to go that you could lose it to if you don't get your [ __ ] together yeah you I mean I mean we've talked about that before like our second string when it comes out o line is horrendous yeah so if you could bring in competitions to be a good you know good backups to like these players like I'm saying I'm not saying I'm saying like legit guy who can go in there and battle with Neil I'm not not saying a backup I'm saying like a swing tackle tackle like a third round draft pick or something like something that we can sit there and say you know what if you want if you want to Wi start and you want to go with this we need you to go here go to the right tackle compete with Neil and you're either going to get to push him to improve which will push you to improve in the process or you're going to take a spot and you're going to be a starter in this league yeah so alrighty so the last bit of of news from this presser I wanted to go over which was interesting was they were talking about the punt returner issue um which let's be honest has been a big issue this year and potentially one of the worst decisions that the giants made this off season was to basically ignore that spot which was funny because we heard all year about how we needed a gunner this off season I thought Eric gray was our guy oh yeah you know what if you listen to the response let me read it first I don't want to put your guys I don't want to put any any thoughts in your guys head first I want you guys to hear it and see if you get take out this what I took out from this um when they asked about the punt returner situation he says that's on me to be honest with you that's another we tried to address the punt returner we knew it's an issue in the draft some of the guys we liked went probably higher than we deemed you would take a guy let that sink in for a second he says Eric had done it at Tennessee and had done it at Oklahoma and the coaches were comfortable we were uh we were comfortable going into the regular season based on what we're seeing I know Crowder is having success in Washington you bring him up we kept seven receivers we couldn't keep eight do the math who do you want to move on from from their group if you kept Crowder so that was just some moving Parts in there and that's me being candid with you and that's on me the returner I'm glad we got gunar here though he's done a really good job for us and Eric's got a bright future and we probably put him in the spot that wasn't most comfortable for him either but he went out there didn't Flinch an eye didn't bat an eye and did what he could but again that's on me early on we couldn't do everything overnight as much as he wanted to and that was the position we continue to look for and P Pittsburgh let Gunner go and we were able to get him I I thought that was interesting overall because again where I paused was for a legit spot because they said they liked guys more than him for this specifically and they just weren't there yeah I mean they went higher than they expected so it's like we didn't get our first choice second choice or third choice yeah we was what's what was left over and we were fine with that listen sometimes that works for you it didn't this time I for damn sure sure I'm just saying like you some some teams luck out like look at Brock prie right now last guy the draft but that's not normal you can't count that Giants were counting on this they were counting on this no I think that same says they were not counting on this that he's taking blame for that bad position because no saying they were counting on the elite round draft pick to be the guy that's what I mean by counting on this like they picked him at least in part because they were comfortable with him as a kiick returner punt returner yeah but it also acknowledges that this was not the guy they wanted this is the guy they took because they were trying to adjust want or not they took him they took them because they're trying to address the situation what them or not you're right but when you're try to address situation like so you we obviously know they needed to proove the spot he knew he needed to proove the spot so what did he do he made a move and the fifth round to try to you know but here's my issue with the whole thing though he he mentions Jameson Crowder who we had on the on the roster who's doing a very good job in Washington has been a true Pro for a lot of years in this league now you're telling me we don't have people that we could have cut that are less productive than jamus Jameson Crowder all right so you're also playing the hindsight game no I'm not because we talked about this with Shep during the preseason Shep is the guy that should have been cut yes you're right and I have nothing but respect for Shep I love what he's done for this this franchise I will always think back fondly on Shep overall as a player but his time bit of a softy and maybe she a the same way maybe it's not maybe it's more of a politician I have I don't know but when you have a guy that's going to retire with your organization and he's probably going to retire under your tenure ship are you going to cut him he could have retired September maybe he didn't want to and maybe he could I don't care if he wants to listen I I don't I don't I don't listen you're saying it from here but sheput came out what if he put up 700 yards this this year you would have been like it would have Justified him knocking a cut but I don't think any of us thought that Shep was gonna put up 700 yards this season I'm just saying after all these ACL Terr and all the injuries but no Giants at this point put up 700 I'm just saying I think that was I don't think quarterback's G to put up 700 yards I I just think that was a mistake I really do I I know we got in the comments we'll get into those in a little bit here but I know we got CPS talking about Paris Campbell as well that one I would say is a little bit of hindsight that one I would say is hindsight we had we had high H well you pick him up yeah you picked him up but play this year I'm just saying you could say that as if like oh who am i g to cut in this great group you can say that when you got like two or 3,000 yard receivers and like a couple guys over 500 yards when you got this [ __ ] show let's call what it is of an offense and besides hayatt and maybe wandell is there anybody really that you're like oh my God we must keep this guy in the roster for next year I mean I mean let's let's bring it let's break down I like I like Slayton you know I like Slayton but even him it's like we could replace him you're not wrong but were you really going to cut the number one receiver last year number one receiver going into oh no I'm not saying that well what I'm saying is you can't sit there and say you can't sit there and say who we're gonna cut when it's been a shitty group yeah but that's also hindsight of saying it's a shitty group because going to this year we had a lot of expectations and there is definitely we could go back to podcast in August of us talking about how well Campbell could possibly play Darren Waller is supposed to be a unicorn coming out unicorn yeah unicorn show up he's not existing he's extinct apparently yeah but so we got slay right all right number one receiver fantastic Campbell hindsight Hyatt rookie just drafted same class Eric Ray wandell coming off at ACL also looked great last year when it was drafted right I said that's the guy Shep is the guy you guys Shep is your veteran that we talked about keeping to justify because he's that veteran guy to give you know gospel if you will to these younger receivers that we had I think that's highsight I think it's sight I don't think it is I think it's sight respectfully I don't think so I disagree good sir I disagree good sir I'm want to pull a video of us talking about it like should he stay or should he go but I think we l to he stays just because of what he could give to the younger players yeah but we also don't have the ability to see all the stuff that they see at practice on our daily basis don't tell me that Chef was amazing in practice and then all of a sudden just didn't show up this year you know but he also could have been the guy that we don't see in those same practices going up hey instead of doing this a little Dink and dunk why don't you just do this and we that those tips are really working the receivers are are catching the ball so many times yeah offense the offense is looking so great I'm just saying you get your most veteran player get in it's last year it's hard to say kind alrighty well let's pay the bills real quick we'll go through some comments and then we're going to go into the NFL news and we're going to do a little bit of a different recap this week for you guys because we have all this other news to go over we're just going to give you guys a quick recap of the scores basically and then like I said we we're not here for three hours because I know you guys like spending time with us we're 35 minutes in yeah all right let's pay the bills enjoying the show looking for more goofball action consider a membership at buy meac coffee.com two giant goofballs membership start at just $5 and give you additional goofball access onetime support payments also available starting at just $3 buy me a coffee.com two giant

goofballs all right so Deb starts off with New Haven pizza here yum uh you know I gotta be honest I've never had pizza in Connecticut CU I feel like when I go there I feel like obligated to have like New England food like some chowder or lobster roll or something like that it's wiky awesome it just I just I don't know why I just I just feel that I do um Deb says I heard the Shing press conference and he said Jones will be the starting quarterback when he's ready said he still has confidence in Jones uh one thing is interesting is when you say that he has confidence in Jones if you listen to what he said it depends on how you want to take it he said I have confidence in Jones as a person that's what his exact words were he's got character yeah that's like saying like she's got a winning personality I'm sorry I just don't I just don't I don't buy it I think I think I think he's just leaving the door open like I said in case and it's a good option he's doing the right thing you don't want to destroy someone's confidence and make them feel unwanted because you might need them so uh Deb says we'll probably get penx who is already torn his ACL that's the Giant's way he's torn it twice which is really the Giant's way just say that's 100% true but he looks really really good let's be honest he's been healthy the last couple years as well so maybe they just fix whatever the hell was wrong with his knee the second time I don't know we can K them cp's New York Sports Network says what's up fellas Neil realistically only gets one more chance at right tackle which is next year apparently I think he gets the chance but he's not handed it that's my personal opinion but we shall see we shall see he also says get Bobby Johnson out of here I think we all agree with that one yes um and then Rob your dad says howy which is weird because he's not a cowboy he thinks he is he's in Arizona these days Sayang it out wild Earths just tip your head great great grandson hello good sir uh CP says Jameson Crowder was let go was head scratching at the time agreed he says in hindsight cut Shep or Campbell LOL I still think I still think Shep I know I know Robin IR disagree which is fine we we can we can disagree from time to time I agree with uh CB's uh [Laughter] hindsite uh let's see let's get into the NFL news here so yes last week we didn't get a chance to talk about it because we're our a lot of our episodes last week were on delay because of the uh the holiday there but just to recap the the news there the commanders did fire defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio uh rumor is that Ron Rivera is also to be evaluated after the season and most people do see a parting of ways in the future there so we'll have to keep an eye on that uh could be a very attractive spot for a coach to go particularly uh while the team has a history of switching coaches often this is now new ownership so that won't affect them um you have A90 million cap space going into next season you have a top 10 pick probably the way they've been playing you have a lot of things going for you on that team plus potentially you already have your quarterback depending what you think of Sam Howell so that's why I say potentially but yeah that's it could be a very very interesting spot for someone who believes in Sam Howell I'll put it that that way and there are people that do yeah I've not sold them yet personally I mean the oriz better than I expected I'll put it that way yes no I that's perfectly worded right there he's doing better than expect it could he be better yes in the future oh yeah I mean obviously but going forward like I you know what honestly the right coach with the right coach get him better offensive line it could be I mean the commanders but they're gonna have they're gonna have enough wins that they're not going to get a drake May Caleb Williams let's be very Frank on that so what they got out four yes same as us they're really the same exact record we just have a we just have a better uh we have a stronger Rec uh we have a stronger strength schedule no stronger stength schedule which is the

tiebreaker so in other words we played we've had the toughest SCH schedule which is [ __ ] we've had the toughest schedule we should get the earlier pick godamn it but that's what what they do so I mean again it's it's it's a spot where let's say you're a guy who really likes Sam Howell maybe like Eric benmy moving up the head coach um you could be someone who steps in and says you know what we have a quarterback we like the quarterback if Marvin Harrison Jr's not available we have plenty of wide receivers let's just take the best tackle cuz a couple of top end tackles in this draft as well and try to fix the o line there's a lot of options $90 million they can go get one or two more lineman they can go do some stuff there so like I said it's just going to be interesting offseason I think there in uh DC so to keep an eye on now the big coaching news was today oh oh yeah there you go the big coaching news don't you know um the Carolina Panthers fired head coach Frank Wright in the middle of his first season as the team started out just one in 10 um special teams coordinator Chris tabore which you know great the special team coordinator being a head coach let me tell you as a giant fan that's a great [Laughter] move um so he's been named the interim head coach and plans to rely heavily on the expertise of offic and of assistance and former head coach for the Colts and lions Jim Caldwell who people may forget because he's been not coaching in few years now for whatever reason he should have had a head coaching job already in my opinion um has a record of 62 and 50 as a head coach has a winning record of both Detroit and Indianapolis so it's not like he's some bum there having a winnning record for just Detroit is impressive let me just put it that way um so that pair that pair also made the decision to also uh relieve running back coach du Staley and quarterback coach Josh Macau of their jobs so those two were also gone along with Frank um interesting uh you know keep in mind they gave up so much stuff for for well this is yeah just for just for one player for Bryce young and it's just not working they were sold on this guy they like they need to look this off season to find a head coach that is going to say I will fix BR Bryce young and he will get a job but the problem is the owners can you fix him by giving him stiletto heels I'm just saying like he needs like the hooker boot version of cleats like that's the problem he's too short you can't see the damn field I I'm not gonna yeah I would disagre not all his problem but it's part of the problem it's definitely it's a big part of the problem but if he made in college playing with the guy similar size there's been other quarterbacks it's like have had similar size issues if you will could you imagine when they draft like what do you look for an alignment the shortest the better we want an alignment under 510 I'm saying 5 foot six fat ass to be our tackle I made the comment this is the third fir in of a coach in this organization in the past four years uh like can could we talk about maybe you didn't give Frank right enough time to develop this team that's been an absolute [ __ ] show since Cam Newton was there and was IR relevant with a positive record especially since you didn't give him one complete season granted it is a dumpster fire but here's the interesting part when you say it though because Jeff how the athletic said just what you're saying he he he tweeted out this he said that are they were head coaching candidates Who removed themselves from the panther search process last year in part due to concerns with owner David tepper's track record of making impulsive decisions a day like today isn't likely to alleviate those concerns no like I mean Grant the the guy's got a buttload of money he does have a butlet of money and that's why he got um you know some of the coaches had yeah and sometimes you just can't throw money at a football problem you need to fix football problems with football answers yeah sometimes it's not the most expensive answer sometimes it's getting yourself let say rookie quarterback it said spend $40 million $50 million on but remember that's what they did with Matt rule though they they threw all this money at Matt rule to make him not come to the Giants for the interview like he doesn't care about throwing money around but GH dude nobody wants to get a short leash they want they want pay and security they want both that's it like like there's like I heard some talks possibly uh hard ball coming back up from Michigan after being get in trouble telling you Vegas from NCAA oh yeah most Vegas because geted by them y because I was gonna say because you you gotta think about this too is harell is one of those coaches like he'll win your games but he's got to have the say and how I'm going to win you these games yep and and that's why I think the the Raiders still because Mark Davis is a pushover yeah well that I'm just saying I mean look someone conin

haircut if you're convinced that haircut looks good you're easily convinced I'm sorry you're not wrong I'm saying you go but you go to Carolina you're gonna be on this short leash you're you're gonna have to answer to your ownership telling you this is the player you got to get this is what you got to do like yeah apparently he was the one saying like you gotta get price young but apparently Frank Wright and T talks about them getting CJ Stout I'm not sure what happened there's a lot of rumors out of her today with that exact mentality but I can't say I've never heard anything from the bigger heard out yeah I say I've never heard it out of Frank Wright's mouth yep nor Panthers ownership or Frank won't say it person he was not going to say it if he says it it's years later it's it's that one of those kind of things that's it yeah but I'm just saying like that's some of the things that I've heard out in the past 48 Hours about this whole thing so oh yeah I think there's gonna be a lot of good coaches that are going to say El Paso I'm going

to Carolina yeah you can make you can make it rhyme just put the O at the end all right okay let's go over for you guys real quick all the uh the the scores from this past we I said we're going to do a little different than we usually do because of the fact we've already spent almost an hour here going over all the news with you guys want to give you guys all the scores still here but we're not going to go in depth like we usually do with each of them probably return with that again next week though assuming nothing big major happens again because just so much stuff came out today all right so we start off with okay go for it what you guys something I was going to say I mean Grant we'll probably talk about a little bit more about about this uh going over the the revieww of the uh well going over the pick them show well I'm say well we'll recap a little bit with some of these past games when we go over that'll probably come up in conversation yeah so yeah we'll get a little bit more into there but yeah that'll be Wednesday of course when Rob has to eat a jalapeno for losing two weeks ago since he keeps on forgetting to go to the store and getting a goddamn jalapeno get a jalapeno damn it damn it man it's just Thanksgiving

for the record you cannot get breading and cheese and put a jalapeno popper does not count as a jalapeno damn it now also if you were to get it a little sombrero and get a stick on it and call it Jose jalapeno on a stick I will not complain nor will any other Jeff Dunham fan on this podcast just sayag oh jalapeno on his sck somebody like complained one time about like he's he says things that are so racist I like he makes fun of every race though that's the thing it's okay if you do that that's not racist that's common he's a un of being racist yes like that's comedy at that everyone exactly if he picked out one group I'd be like okay well that's wrong he picks on everybody all right yeah let's go to the games though so we can start off obviously with Thanksgiving gobble gobble gobble uh Packers at Lions Packers win 29 Lions 22 great game up next you had not a great game you had the commanders going into uh Dallas playing the Cowboys Cowboys win 45-1 o killed just like the Seahawks were killed by the 49ers which was the final game of Thanksgiving 49ers 31 Seahawks 13 they got their stuffing Friday Friday first Black Friday special you now we know why this show why this game was on discount it's definitely Prime game for sure Rogers did not do his discount double check I was about say going into this game at the beginning of the year this probably sound a great idea that two Powerhouse quote unquote offenses are going to play off each other but guess what Aon Rog it out game one and Dolphins win 34 to the Jets 13 alrighty we're on to Sunday here the battle of the NFC South for who gets to win the shittiest division in all of football Falcons win 24 15 putting them in the driver SE for that division Oh yeah talk about another crappy game Steelers going to the Bengals Steelers 16 Bengals 10 it's crazy the Steelers got a ton of ton of yards and everybody's like oh look we got a new offensive coordinate we got a shitload of yards you still scored 16 points guys yeah is Canada the problem is it Kenny picket the problem tiny hands can't carry the def can't carry the offense um Jaguars at the Texans I got all the good games uh the battle for the AFC South here um Jaguars get a squeaker here get 24 to the T Titans sorry Jacksonville Jaguars get 24 the Houston Texans get 21 there so another close game between those two and see still got some time that may not decide the division but it definitely puts the Jags in that driver seat listen if the Jaguars like I'm going to do a little side right right here because I know we said we're going to go over this qu quick but Jaguars they have the opportunity with the wins they have and the easy SC they have lined up for the rest of the year they have the opportunity to actually take the number one seed in the AFC with this wi we'll see so we can see this going in there it's it's going to get a little Saucy little crazy there and they're playing Miami I think next week which is L like if they beat Miami to Miami the Battle of Florida is it safe to say the Jaguars are kind of like the Cowboys of the AFC like they haven't beaten anybody this is the first quality win I am not going to not agree but I'm also not going to disagree with that statement like I'm just saying the Cowboys haven't beat anybody actually I'm just saying I I was going to get as Jaguars last year at this time of the year they went on a tear they had a losing record I think it were seven and uh three and seven and then made it to the playoffs and they're looking like they did last year with a better record and they they might lay up they might light up the AFC and going in I think the first seed it's they're not going to lose in division round in Wild I would root for the people of Jacksonville they deserve it I would too all right up next put down put down the meth pipe Jacksonville the Jaguars are coming I'll be the the Jacksonville is the myth capital of Florida just of Florida I've been there multiple times it's not a nice place Jacksonville beach is nice Jacksonville no no all right I mean I'll go another rant and talk about the Jaguars on Wednesday but you got the Buccaneers going into Indianapolis to play the Colts yes Colts beat up on the bu 27 to 20 it sound kind of close but that game really didn't feel close no yeah did not speaking of close games we' already talked about in our post game there but the Giants of course had another win here they beat the Patriots 10 to7 h a skin Mar all right talk about why talk why H Frank R got fired Panthers go to the Titans Titans win 17 of 10 once again another game that sounds like it was close but it was never in ring helmet and you bring out the best

exactly fans to go into the stadium just throwing mayonnaise on the field here's a game that didn't appear close doesn't look close and apparently never was close the Rams at the Cardinals Rams win 37 to4 shelling on the Arizona and another game that was never close was the Browns the brownies going into the mile high club over there hey Broncos win 29 to the Browns 12 so much for that great Browns defense although sidetracked again real fast fun fact since the BR since uh the Broncos had 70 points shcked on him by the Dolphins they have let up 80 points you know what though uh part of me also is just is is this the hottest team in all of football right now it is they're hotter they're so hot they're so hot right now no like they have the longest think they did 29 yards Russell Wilson had 134 yards passing there I didn't say they were pretty I'm just saying like that's just weird that's just finding a way to get it done yes and the defense is looking Elite yeah on uh your draft sandal here's a good stat for you Nick Bono of the of the uh the Broncos had one tackle for the day and one assist think about this how many sacks do you think he

had how many one and a half one and a half his Lan tackle was a sack and his lone assist was the half a sack that was it crazy stat okay next up here we got the Chiefs at the Raiders there the Raiders was a really close game in the beginning Raiders were actually winning for a while there people got a little worried but the Chiefs pulled it out 31- 17 it was 14a where we were podcasting yes as Mr uh what's his face was sitting there telling us all about it how we're uh they were losing Mr what's face was it yes wow Mr what's face anyway so up next talk about what's his face you get the bills going into Philadelphia to play the Eagles bills find ways to lose good games yes they do Eagles win 37 to 34 and talk about that's a really game if 's got to rewatch any games of the week that's probably the one to rewatch I mean the refs and just took it to the to the bills in the end obvious holding calls not called by The Eagles um but I'll give them a credit because the bills got a field goal in overtime they were up by three obviously that means Eagles now had to turn around and score their own field goal to keep the game going or get a touchdown to win and they got the touchdown Jay Jaylen uh Herz just ran it in for the touchdown and won the game for him so you know good win but you got to wonder now is this the end of the bills they are on shy grounds and we'll talk about that more next week yeah it's the Buffalo Shake on Wednesday I should just say that it's the Buffalo Shake shaky shakes that could make a nice 50 song right right it should be it really really should be but they're six and six by the way guys they're 500 that's how bad The Season's gone for that now we called it early on we did Rob and I said early on the window was closing we thought we were wrong so they went a little bit of a hot streak but we're right in the end not Frank wri the real right no

yes all right last up there the Ravens at the Chargers there Chargers win sorry Chargers lose the Ravens got 20 Chargers get 10 and of course we got the game tonight going on as I thought there would be more shellen that the Ravens game because you know what what happens every time everyone talks about Lamar Jackson playing against a really good quarterback he's spanked him over the past two years he has not this one maybe because Justin Herbert's just not that good and he's overrated it could be you might be something I do like him I like him but I I he's got a 500 record in the NFL um he's I I'm at the point where I need to see he's about to say say that I need to see him with a good coach a second coach before I can say it's definitely him but he's started to have that mentality of like a dare I say like a Drew Brees kind of guy like a guy who puts up a lot of stats but doesn't necess win you anything Drew Brees got Super Bowl ring so you can't say that that's he he got a Super Bowl ring as a as a hold on he got a Super Bowl ring as a backup because Tom Brady won his first ring he was on the IR yes Drew Brees does not have a Super Bowl ring from him being an actual player wait who no I'm I'm sorry Drew bledo wrong Drew sorry oh I was I was like wrong Drew wrong Drew I was like New Orleans wrong Drew so many Drews is hard to keep track I'm a Drew Breeze is a Drew BL a

Drew Drews are everywhere someone going to Mish hear that word by the way we are saying Drew just for the record like my name uh but yeah like I said bledo is is is a possibly good comp to what he's becoming a guy who puts up a lot of stats has a very strong arm can make the throw anywhere but doesn't necessarily have that winning Factor but again I want to see him with another quar with another coach first before I declare that as my personal opinion but I'm leaving that open as a possibility so I mean we finished all main part of the episode pretty fast because we had so much football news uh we going to go one more little side R here so coaching goes a long way Steelers You' been saying it all year because I'm like how do they win games um Sean P exactly Sean P we all laughed at him like was Drew bre the really reason why you got a super ring now he's the Hest coach and making making making Russell Wilson look great that defense is being Elite like he talked about it's through

we all know Bill Bel is one of the best coaches out there he's going to go down as one of the best if not the best coach who's also in the hot seat who also might lose his job you see that you can see Bill Bel going over to uh V uh to

La he's bringing Derk Henry with him I'm telling you there's something for some reason I think that's G to happen I that's going to be the thing I'm just saying like if you get a Derrik Henry I don't know why I think that it's the thought and and you bring bill belich you can turn around and watch that D you could see that team be a dynasty till we see what his face just rides off into the sunset which could be any day now basically his age I don't mean the sunset of his career I mean the sunset of his

life all righty guys we will be back again for you guys Wednesday we're going to go over our episode huh I said update build up bears bears up bears are up three nothing I I I see that because I look at the comment section Googled that before that yeah I Googled as well but and she also say bich went downhill with that Brady he he did but you know most people will go downhill without birdie all right guys so again we'll be back again Wednesday we're do to our Pi episode there Rob's going to eat the jalapeno the whole jalapeno the whole jalap one one bite no milk allowed to rule them all he can have mayonnaise you can wash down with

mayonnaise all right and Thursday guys because we do not have a game this week we'll be doing our episode uh talking about the greatest um surprises positive and disappointments negative for the Giants this season this might be a buzz kill but it's G be more negative than positive probably don't be Negative Nancy I can't help it we're we're four and eight we're four and eight that's only because we were on a two- game winning streak not to be confused as skid mark don't need to call it that again it's a streak it's a streak Dam all right guys and then and like I said we're gonna have another episode for you guys at some point this week here we're going to do our uh episode talking about all the college quarterbacks there everybody wants to hear as far as that so we'll do a way too early QB discussion because obviously things can change because things will change between now and then but I know everybody wants to kind of hear it and kind of go over those guys there so we'll do that for you guys here later this week as well we'll figure out our schedule as far as that we may not do it Sunday because we know you guys got games um you want to watch as well so we'll figure that out and like I said we'll see you guys on Wednesday as always we're live on YouTube Facebook Twitter SLX um twitch and Rob's favorite he's all like doing a little Jitterbug wrong direction I'm this way oh yes and of course we're on every audio podcast platform pretty much known demand so again appreciate you guys listening in enjoy the next couple of days we'll see you guys Wednesday night 900 PM Eastern Standard Time as always n and as always Giants

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