NY Giants News: Leonard WIlliams Traded to the Seahawks, Daniel Jones Cleared, More Deals Coming?

On this week's "2 Giant Goofballs: A New York Giants Podcast" hosted by Drew and Rob, the New York Giants execute a significant trade, sending defensive tackle Leonard Williams to the Seattle Seahawks. In exchange, they secure a 2024 second-round pick and a 2025 fifth-round pick, with potential salary considerations. This trade is a remarkable feat for the Giants, considering Williams' age and complex contract. The podcast also explores potential trades for players like Xavier McKinney, Paris Campbell, and Adoree Jackson, with running back Saquon Barkley off the table.

In quarterback news, the podcast celebrates the return of Daniel Jones, who has been medically cleared for contact. This timely development is crucial, as backup Tyrod Taylor sustained a rib injury during the New York Jets game, leading to his hospitalization. The hosts discuss the ins and outs of NFL player statuses and share why Jones couldn't be activated on game day despite his clearance. The good news is that Jones will be back in practice soon.

The "2 Giant Goofballs" hosts also provide an update on Taylor's condition, revealing that he has been discharged from the Hackensack University Medical Center. While specific details about his rib injury are still pending, Taylor's history with fractured ribs adds concern. In this context, Jones' clearance is a relief, potentially allowing him to start against the Las Vegas Raiders.

Furthermore, the Giants bolster their defense by signing free agent cornerback Stanley Thomas-Oliver, who spent the last three seasons with the Carolina Panthers, primarily on injured reserve and the practice squad. This signing adds depth to the team's defensive ranks, particularly on special teams. For more in-depth discussions and analysis, tune in to "2 Giant Goofballs: A New York Giants Podcast."

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welcome to two giant goofballs a New York Giants podcast are you a goofball that loves Giant football if so sit back and relax as we talk about the team that both excites and frustrates us so much and now here are your goofball hosts Drew and Rob welcome fell goofballs to Giant goofballs of New York Giants podcast I am Drew joined as always by am me of Rob we got some exciting news that may be a good or bad it says all kinds of news and there's little news and big news and crazy news and news all over the place newsy news there's a rendition of the Newsies on Disney plus it's just all kind kinds of stuff going on it's just like like 101 now it's a busy day it's a busy busy day uh as Connor once again is honest about our timekeeping he says it says 6:30 it's 6 7:30 7:41 where are you can you tell time with the big hand is in the little hand is just past the seven and the big hand is past the six that's just way too confusing this is why I have a you realize this is 2023 right we have digital clocks this is why I have a cell phone yeah we have time appropriate watches you don't you don't need to go to a walk a watch maker to make sure that your clock is running exactly at 24 hours yeah which yeah is also fake news by the way you know full day is actually like 24 hours and 15 minutes then we got the ca right after but the comment he knows we're not going to put up on the screen he knows we're not putting it up there not g to do it Dakota not g to do it you barely beat the commanders just saying it made Sam how look good just saying I know one no room to talk we're talking sacked quarterback in the league yeah we are I know we have no room to talk but we're talking anyway yeah all right so let's go right into the big news here of the day the big news is Leonard Williams I did my hair yes I also lowered my cholesterol by switching to Cheerios um Leonard will Willams the big cat himself has officially been traded uh we've talked about a lot of players that if yesterday didn't go right maybe you know looking for greener pastures the first one goes as Leonard Williams is officially a Seattle Seahawk gets to play again with his old buddy Julian love he just wanted to get a little love yes give some love to love when you see him for as Leo um so yeah so the trade is a 2024 second round draft pick and a 2025 fifth round draft pick and I'm telling you right now guys if you don't think that's the steal of the goddamn Century for Leonard Williams on an expiring contract to get a second and a fifth round pick for him that's a goddamn steal now part of why it's a steal we have to get into is because the Giant basically right before the trade converted all his money that they could into signing bonus which means the Giants are still paying much of his salary this year we're only saving about like just million dollars basically on the cap but I don't care we got a second round pick guys second round think about it we're g to probably pick up the trade towards you know mid late basically end of that second half second round that's around the time where we got John Michael schmidtz last year that's still a prime player position at that point or maybe it's a trade piece to move up to get the quarterback we want this could be a very very significant move in the grand scheme of things that doesn't look like it on paper but could be the key to getting a very good player or the key to getting the exact quarterback we want because keep in mind guys we're not in control of our destiny there because I hate to break it to you guys I still think the Giants will win some games eventually I still do eventually we're g to get healthy and things are going to start turning around a little bit there so we may need all the picks we can to get down to where we need to be to get whatever quarterback we want I'm not saying I know a lot of people automatically if I say quarterback they're go Caleb Caleb I'm not saying Caleb I have no clue the hell I want a quarterback Rob and I have not done a deep dive into any of the college quarterbacks yet be very clear on that we are not advocating for any single quarterback what we are going to advocate for is if the Giants want to go the route of getting a quarterback in this draft you need all the possible picks and trade assets you possibly say the ability to trade up for something that you want yes or you get stuck with whatever's left over that's the options doesn't sound very good when you're talking about starting quarterbacks does it yeah no that depends

yeah but yeah I think that this is one of those trades that they they had to make Leonard Williams was not in the future plans we're not going to pay him 20 plus million dollars and pay 20 plus million dollars of extra Lawrence so if you're not going to keep them we're not going to win anything this year let's go yeah let's cut it out now let's Let It Go Let It Go something something something there playing for SE freaking Hawks I'm just saying that's that's where we're at because it didn't make sense to keep him for nothing keep in mind as well that let's say hypothetically if we let him go in the off season everybody goes sometimes these situations oh we got a comp pick we weren't getting a second and a fifth in comp picks for L Williams we weren't do yeah so the fact that we got a second round pick is huge take this love this we got more back for Leonard Williams that we gave up for him three years ago when everybody flipped out yeah so let like let's put this into I guess four years ago is four years ago yeah yeah so let let let's think about this like to the everyday person you buy a car yep we'll just say you spent $20,000 on the this car you financed it we would you say you had great Finance years and you spent $25,000 on this car now you walked away you sold it for 30,000 did you win on the steal I think you did the opinions of press suggested by Rob are not that of two giant goofballs who does not believe you can trade a player like an asset there are people they're not assets I'm just saying we're talking about we're talking about the finance part of the business which I know I I'm just messing with you it just I always feel bad talking about like a player as an asset like he's got a value like like he's a business piece which I mean I hate to say it but they kind of are but it's kind of like it kind of it feels we talking about a person in that regard you know what I'm saying it's it's it's weird that you can sit there and make because I mean you could probably in any other position that you're going to be in your life where any individual you're more like a car in the NFL the way you get praised than if you went to you know Mavis Tire if you went to Pet Boys or if you went to I don't know why I'm picking mechanic places right now but if you went to anywhere else like they're not gonna be like H we're gonna pay an extra $7 because we feel like you're like a Lamborghini it just you be like what do ghr say but I think what it is more in this case is they paid extra because of the fact that they were a Lamborghini that they don't have to make payments on because the Giants are they're paying for a Hyundai Accent and getting a Lamborghini yes that's the big thing what's interesting to me is you know you look at the NFC and this tells you two things one the Giants have given up which they should let's be very Frank two and six give up you're done um it tells us also though that the Seahawks feel like they have a chance to do something special this postseason now they're five- two right now so you know they're sitting aru one of the top teams in the NFC right now they they're not arguably they are there's no argument they even had you got you got Eagles at 7-1 you got what lions probably after tonight six and two say season ended if the season ended right now they're what fifth seated going into the playoffs second seed oh right now yes they're five- two so damn look at that playing a little better than I even thought if if they were so they be second obviously Eagles number one Seahawks then Lions then Falcons by default because somebody has to win that division um and then from there you go into the wild card positions which would be the Cowboys the um the

49ers and I'd have to look to see the tiebreaker would be at that point for another team because he got the Saints and he got the Vikings tied to four and four well you just said the Vikings have to win that division at this point and going into there so no they can they can get in the end they can get in that seventh seed keep in mind there's seven teams now I'm just saying you said that they won the division at this point I'm not looking at the stats no no they're not winning the division I'm saying they'd be a wild card team the Vikings oh Vikings I they said the Falcons I apologize the Falcons are winning the division currently yes I mean we were supposed to talk about the recap of this week which we will talk about tomorrow night because of this excited news tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow we'll go over the games tomorrow it's only a day

away and let's be real you guys probably heard most of the news but you didn't hear the goofball news about this because there are some very high insights not the end of the week until we say it is goddamn it

yeah but yeah like I said I I love this this move though overall by the by the Giants I really do I I I can't think of one single thing bad about it because in the end like I said he wasn't in the long-term plans either way so why let him go for nothing and get a comp pick you know in two years yeah this this is this is the bad thing we don't have Leo going forward the good news is the good news is we don't have to pay Leo that much going forward no no no no no no we're paying we pay for the rest of year yeah I got that I'm saying start next year right well he was gone next year anyway that's what I'm saying the money thing doesn't really change much yeah what I'm I think think exact number I heard that we're going to save is 770,000 I could be wrong and that knows less than a million but no nothing changed MoneyWise otherwise because he's this was the last year of his contract anyway so it's just is what it is but we weren't going to keep him so why not get something for him how many times have Giants fans complained about that the Giants just let somebody Walk For Nothing Landing Collins comes to mind that was a big one a couple years ago was like well if you're not going to sign him why don't you just trade him away yeah well now we got draft Capital which yep like we already said could be something a little bit more than what a lot of people see on paper through this deal and the other question comes to be is are we done because there's a lot of people already speculating keep in mind tomorrow 4 pm Eastern Standard time is the deadline we may not be done the big name being floated around like crazy is adori Jackson I've heard some rumors about him to the 49ers uh I know that uh you know chat now uh giants has been talking about that um you know I I feel like I've heard that from a couple other people as well they want to kind of shore up get one more one more Corner going in uh but yeah it's just it just seems like there's a couple guys that make sense to go he's one of them because you can give Trey Hawkins some more time to see what you got him to see what you got to do next year in this offseason if you need to get into the corner um at least start caliber corner it gives you also another draft pick hopefully you know Ador Jackson is still a damn good player guys I may be still a little pissed off at him from for yesterday because P interference call you [ __ ] um yeah I mean listen at the end of the day like some some people are going to have off days it's just yeah it is part of being a human being but at the end of the day this guy I'm perfect all times he doesn't doesn't really make that many mistakes let's let's be real like he made mistakes yesterday but does he make a lot of mistakes no does he get a lot of hype and Glory because he's got this crazy pick or is he got this no you know what he does he's got very low stats and as a quarter that means he is shutting down that receiver yep and he's that receiver that he's covering is not making those catches he doesn't have to tackle he's getting that ball away is he catching it that's probably why he's not a wide receiver in the NFL why he's a corner no but he's he's a good cover guy overall and now he's got some experience on the slot as well so he's got some versatility he can get to the team as well um but I I really think that he's got to be gone overall because we talked about it before multiple times I don't think that Giants want to sign him you didn't really hear anything about him possibly signing him overall um during this whole entire offseason till right towards the end we're like oh yeah maybe I heard of some Rumblings and I felt like that was just to kind of like make it appear like the Giants yeah look at this look what we doing yeah oh yeah we talked to him still talking who knows what will happen you never know you know so I I think it's time for I think it's time for him to go because he's not in the long-term plans I think it's pretty obvious and same as same as Leonard Williams I mean if you can go ahead and and again I don't even care about the money part if you can if you have to do what you did with Leonard Williams to get some good draft Capital fing hell's yeah do it do it because sometimes that's what you have to do you have to go ahead and get uh you know give up something to get something and it's not just the player sometimes it's the money aspects of it so if we have to do that let's say we get another second round pick for D Jackson You Know listen i% three second round

picks you're gonna eat the the money this year we were gonna do it either way right yep was already the plan you're already gonna tell me you're gonna pick up if we do get you know just you know craziness if we do get another second round pick for Dory Jackson we have three second round of picks can you trade up to a first round pick for that or can you use those those extra second round picks now to go ahead and move up in the first round with your current pick exactly they were seven we want to go to pick two it's only five spots so you just never know what's going to happen you want all the assets you possibly can this this possible draft coming up here you know the other people that come to mind uh one that I think some people are very for one people some people are very against is you know the Possible Trading of Xavier McKenna he's a guy that is going to want some big money this off season he's very young I think he's an attractive player for some people because they go okay he's young he's got the Alabama pedigree he's looked good so far but I think he's gonna want you know I I really think it's gonna be like 10 to 12 million do he's gonna want and I don't I'm not willing to pay him that I don't think he's that good I really don't I also I mean OB every player is going to want as much money as they can get of course but I I you'd be crazy not to think that I don't know if I think he might settle for less he here's my thing if we if you're gonna tell me right now for six to7 million a year we can go get Xavier McKenna and sign him up for another four or five years I'm 100% down let's go right now but if you're telling me he's going to want 10 12 million and he wants to be paid like a top white safety I'm sorry he's not one okay so what do you feel about eight no six seven go cut off it's it's it really is for me it goes that High I mean and I hate to throw that line at the sand but you kind of have to or else you just keep on going okay little bit up little bit up I hear you but I'm I'm okay with eight 10 is a little too rich for my blood up never make to you think he's that though do you do you think he's an 8 million player for what he does on and off the fields I I I'm okay like oh we're giving in for ATVs no no come on he made a mistake as a kid you have no no but I'm saying what has he done off the field you said in the on the field off the what has he done off the field they go oh we need to keep Xavier McKinny just the way he gets the locker room going like he is a leader in the The Back Field and he like as a young thing as a young player he's had good leadership he's a leader in weird haircuts that's about all you're not wrong but but the players like playing Ione jalous who wishes he could do haircuts still maybe he's me with it maybe it's Maybelline uh but I don't know why I'm doing makeup commercials now but okay but I I said I to me he's he's only worse 7 million he's worth what the Giants wanted to pay Julian love last year and I think there's a team out there he understands this very well there's a team out there that's going to pay him probably 8 to 10 million instead if not a little more I don't think he's worth it I don't think there's many safeties worth it I think you cut them off at seven and a half is that too much or Sev seven I mean yeah be seven and a half I wouldn't hate it but I wouldn't like it it's like it's it's hard to throw an exact line to the sand well if they can get him for 7.5 yes but if they can get him for 7.51 no like I can't give you an exact dollar I'm just I'm just trying to like Eight's kind of like the C for me like Eight's like Hey listen I like the guy I like yeah I like what he does for the team like I like the vibe of the locker room when he's in there and that's something like you can't take I can get you I can get you a hell of a good locker room guy from veteran minimum if that's what we're doing if that's why you want to keep him I can find

scrubs all right let let's not call bikini a scrub over here I didn't call him a scrub what I'm saying is if you're getting him you want to saying I want to keep him does for the I could find you I could find you plenty of Scrubs is what I'm saying that could do just that position without having to go all crazy like that what's the Le minimum at that position league minimum to look have to look it up because it's based on how many years he's played and stuff too it's not it's not that so I have not a single clue but I'm telling you right now he's not gonna sign for that sign me up if I'm just Canen I'm just saying you're gonna find a league minimum veteran I safety and you're gonna you're gonna fight over half a million dollars yes I didn't say he was going to be good I just said he'd be a good locker room guy in all fairness that's what you said you want to keep Xavier mckin because he's a good locker room guy I can find he does on and off the field that's what I

said not just because he does in Locker on

off to me like I said I I just don't think he's as good I mean he still doesn't have a single hit in a quarterback this year he doesn't have any tackles for loss this year he's got 43 tackles in what's basically half the year they have about 86 tackles or so for the season at that point there that's not so bad one force fumble you know six passes deflected I'll take that no interception still I I think the Giants want to go out and get a ball Hawk I really do I don't think they want to keep him listen and like I'm not against that but also after to before I make a Hardline decision about McKenna I need to go watch more of his tape of this year just to see how wink has been playing him because if he's not the guy that's being aggressively up in the front because you got Oar and you got these other guys up front I'm not upset that he doesn't have many tackles for losses like okay I'll give you that but if that's the case I want to see some interceptions or something the pass is deflected you know what I mean like a passive Defender I I want to see I have to yeah I have to go back and look at his more State before make that line between seven and

eight I I just don't see it um next up one more player we got there that we could also look at Paris Campbell who went from excited you know offseason acquisition to kick

return basically where he's at guys at this point and I'll tell you one person who would love to see Paris Campbell go if I I think and that's Paris Campbell himself on the year he's got 16 catches 855 yards you think that's what he signed up for be halfway through the season have 85 yards this is killing his this is the guy who did a one-year Prov it deal with the Giants yeah that's what I'm saying this guy is a who absolutely destroying his value yep how's he supposed to go out there and make you know x amount of money if he's not going to utilize yep and Rob and I joked on about the show beforeand I said maybe we should call up the Chiefs they love you know ex Giants receivers but in all fairness it's not the worst suggestion in the world because he'd fit the offense very well uh and they are desperate receivers to fit that offense yeah yeah Sky next tomorrow but yeah not doing not doing it um just in general again if you can get if you can get like a fourth round pick for this guy you do it Point Blank you do it you make that move you get it going I mean I I think that even a fifth or a fifth round pick you got to look at it because he's not going to be a long-term giant he just he just hasn't fit in with the Giants for whatever reason not even blaming him with that sometimes things just don't work out when you sign a player but yeah it's not there it's not there um now one player we know will not be traded least according to all reports and I he talks about this sequan Barkley sequan Barkley by all reports is off the market not on the table they want to keep him around long term which is funny because they obviously didn't want to sign him long term but well I mean that sign we talked about that a lot of the offseason you just don't overpay this year and you know then running the back room like that just they made the right choice not pay the guy like as much as I don't want to say it they made the right choice they did I mean injured again I mean he was pretty much a beast last week here for us you know made amazing amount of yards after contact but at the same point he's also he had one or two runs where you go okay yeah he's lost that top speed a little bit because a couple runs I thought he could have breaken and the old sequ one would have broke him yeah I mean I don't know if he's physically or mentally broken this year but um I'd be mentally broken on that team kidding me yeah that the comment yeah alrighty before we get into the next bitter news here let's start going through some of these comments here so oh yeah Conor says has saquan or Dory been traded yet even though they said no trade about saquan is possible yeah no you're not wrong anything is possible but like let say the Ravens call up and offer a first round draft pick bu say

one you never know you just never know it's GNA happen you would if you had told me yesterday that Leonard Williams would get second and a fifth like okay sure I mean I doubt the the ra will give up that much Capital but yeah you know but you know what I mean though you never never

know every single trade option has a price and it just has to make sense for both parties or at least the both parties need to think that it's in their sense make sense for them so um let's see Conor said I don't care either trade I don't care either trade everyone expensive and let Joe Shane and dble make their make team their own and owner stay out of it I've heard the ones that willon let sequan go same I said same about Daniel Daniel Jones is not going either and that's that's next year too I feel B talking about oh we got to get him as a trade candidated and we can get rid of him as soon as we can he's not going anywhere trust me no no I mean you just pit this guy he's not going it's not even the money because he'll be a backup probably next year and I think that you know you don't want to have him as as a backup but no one's going to trade for him with that contract guys no one is even if you don't have to pay him but 2025 million a year he's at this point he's not a 20 $25 million a year contract he's a 10 to 15 his value is gone down that much from last year yeah so more than a little uh Connor says no QB is worth it to me in draft so far and I don't like any free agents so what's the answer of QB if we just get o line in the draft and defense we get Daniel into the year gets hurt then what no Daniel Jones listen if unless he has some miraculous turnaround then every now and then I get a little bit lonely and you never come around turn around every [ __ ] fall apart um but no seriously unless DJ has some miraculous turnaround I don't see a chance in hell of us going yoube we should keep this guy maybe we should go ahead and you know build around him after all we made that mistake last year don't make it again he's done we know what he is we've learned what he is this year because granted I know Tyrod de Taylor didn't look amazing especially last week but for the majority of this time he's played better than S than uh better than DJ has this

year I mean I'm not saying he's Pro Bowl caliber or did anything great yeah I hear I I know what you're saying I'm just it's more of a of a knock on Jones's play than a praise of for the record I mean to me it's just the sample sizes aren't the same with the different offensive line going around you had ter that had we're we're eight games in correct eight games in five games versus three games it's only one game half games it's only one game difference two and a half games two and how many of those two what two and a half games

when did uh when did Ty ride leave oh I got you so you're blaming okay still still I'm just saying it's his third game I'm just saying but what he was still the starting quarterback what I'm also trying to say is Barkley missed how many games with Jones how many games did he play with with tyod how many games did Jones play with with Tyrod none of course with when with barley play with Jones Tyrod okay I get your point we're not getting into Daniel Jones versus Tyrod I'm just saying I don't know if it's 100% DJ sucks Tyrod Taylor is a good backup that's all there is to it we're done that's that's for right we'll agree to that call like it is like I said my comments are not as much touting T Tyrod Taylor as doubting Daniel Jones that's where I'm at and I've been very much middle of the road you know that since we started the show I've been very middle of the road I've reached that breaking point I'm done just done Connor says what's amazing about cars is the old great 69 Camaro Etc up in value new Cars nope we hav want them now after five eight years LOL that's because those cars were beautiful absolutely beautiful you want to look at some fun cars the 55 Belair 7 Bair I'm sorry it's one one of my favorites U with the big ass fins in the back um I also a huge fan of the 1955 Linc andn you t a concept car which 50s kind of guy I love the 50s cars dude they have so much character to them so the 50 55 um linoln Futura if you look it up as a regular car it was the car that they used to make the Batmobile for Adam West it was but if you look at it unmodified that car was just freaking gorgeous it was like something out of the Jetson see I'm I'm not disagreeing with that and I'm also not the biggest car guy but I I'm I'm there with kind of a little bit I'm a 69 kind of guy I like the you know 67 paa I want a fit was that I want a fit I need to fit you definitely fit you definitely fit into 67 APO I can't I probably can't get back up again probably low to the ground it's not that low it's not it's not like Mustang or the camar where they're lower to the [Music] ground the the apala in the 67 was it didn't send a chance against the charger in 67 but the 71 charger is probably the best classic car of recent

time let's see here Conor says hey Dakota filthy Philly still doing good we hate them LOL do you live there stop trying to find out where Dakota lives

Conor Connor says uh oh I must have missed the comment theator sorry serious wasit Eagles and Cowboys fans love to celebrate regular season success LOL that's because they haven't had any postseason success in quite a while um and then Conor say serious serious wasp yes they do love celebrating regular season still hate both of them that's all I want us to be competitive in games tired of this but I'm true blue no matter what yeah that's pretty much all of us there except for deota obviously he's Eagle fan uh but yeah it's like I'm so tired of being crappy against our Rivals I really am crappy about you know tired of being crappy in general but especially against our Rivals uh Conor says Dory has has to be going since we signed stle today uh um I think he means Stanley today but we're going to go over him in a little bit but trust me that has nothing to do um whatsoever with ad dor Jackson uh Deb says hey you're early yes see Conor said we're late Deb says we're early no so we had a little earlier starting time because we figured with the uh with the moves today might be on a little longer we don't want to take away from you guys Monday Night Football so uh we figur start a little early so that way it's not as big a deal at that point there and then we're going to moving the piics episode to I'm sorry the recap episode to tomorrow so we'll have that on for you guys tomorrow night so it'll be like a bonus episode this week here um Conor I know Deb these switching times things driving me crazy LOL Connor you were crazy long before we started switching time don't even start you were crazy since we met got says fing Hells yeah is my new word to say thanks Drew um I'm not sure what I was being thanked for for but you're welcome I guess Mario 45g what's up man says hopefully adori Jackson is next that's got to be the move um he says or Xavier McKenna which would be a smart move but doesn't have to be the move as much the Dory Jackson has to be the move and he says Dory should be next yeah should be next yeah yeah Deb says we'll see what happens with Jones going forward I was on the Jones bandwagon from the beginning but having doubts now I saw a straight line on the EEG readout yeah I I I tell you I hated the move in the beginning and I remember watching overnight on draft night some of his college tape and I lit went through and watched a lot of a lot of Duke football which is saying a lot because Duke football's hard to watch kind of hard to watch it really is so hard to watch I watched one game in particular I thought was a good showing of what Daniel Jones was and that was the Clemson game his senior year and if you watch that game this was a player who had drop pass after drop pass you know pressure after pressure just kept getting up kept doing his thing and I had a lot of respect for that we all know he had the cut lift as you know training at that point there at Duke obviously the same guy who trained the you know Eli Manning so there was a lot of love for that there and I kind of came around to it

but in the end it's just he's not progressing and if you're not progressing you're can't move forward in football you can't move forward nobody wants to stay it like you even way to last year if you told me every single year we're to get in the playoffs sneak in win a game and then be out in the second round I'd be pissed off eventually eventually I'd want to see us going further i' rather be moving towards Ward a championship than staying stagnant as above average and I feel like that's where we're at with Daniel Jones I feel like we've seen how far he can take us I think that's as far as he can I

mean there might be the furest he takes us at this point in his career like he he may have a long football career yeah he'll be a backup for a while probably unless his up but he's not he's not going to be a giant that's going to get us into the playoffs a lot unless he just comes back and just lights up the field which we've seen what he's done this year and it's hard to say he has a better chance of converting over professions to becoming an electrician to light up the field that he does actually as a player lighting up the field I'm sorry it's just not going to happen that's just some positives and negatives that's that the stat a chimp you could be fine he he can learn that he went to Duke well he's need that Duke education because eventually that neck injury is going to be a problem it's going to be there's no way you don't keep getting injured at the neck and not eventually have to retire from it he's gonna get that one hit and he's gonna have to retire it's gonna happen he's like two he's one hit

away it's also how many times do you want especially with your Duke education how many times do you want to get hit in your neck where you could have a serious injury for the rest of your life it's kind of hard to argue that and say let me keep playing football so you're saying if he wasn't Duke educated he was just a a Dua football player I'm just saying listen he's he's definitely went to some good schools I'm just saying he went to a good school W I didn't know you were so intelligent just I don't think that's how you say that word intelligent there got to be a word for like a thing where you like you know are pro smart

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hotel is the bat hotel that's that's psycho American Psycho is oh American Psycho Christian Bale I hated that movie I really hated that movie I know everybody loved that movie I hated that movie and it was all because the ending I'm G to give it away in case anybody hasn't seen it but the ending ruined for me I mean that's part of the whole movie by the way for the record I also hate Fight Club for the same reason well blah I'm just saying just saying stupid you like I don't mind po twist I I can go for a good ight Shyamalan tail every so often but my whole thing is that it can't be that the twist is like everything we just watch for the last two hours isn't legit didn't happen it can't be that kind of thing oh so you need to rewatch it because that's not the twist it's like plot Twi TST waste of time that's not the plot twist and that's also not the plot twist of Fight Club but I don't know it's basically is I don't want to give it away so we can't talk about it here I don't give it away it's only been out for 20 years Rob people might not have watched it yet yeah just just like Total Recall that came out 30 years ago tot recall left you wondering which one was if what which way happened that's what was supposed to happen with American yeah was was it all one thing or was it another thing I don't know you don't know let's get back to football foosball fball anyway okay well he's going Deb says drafting a QB scares me because there's so many bust yeah like Daniel Jones just saying oh Rob's back I talk nice about him again oh son of a guns no see de Deb said drafting a QB scares me because there's so many Buffs I said yes like Daniel Jones I thought you said so many butts at first I was like well that's no but you know in the end you got to keep on getting a quarterback till you get a good quarterback that's what it Ball's down to you can't stick around with mediocrity that's what happens that's what happens and it and it's hard to say when you draft because like yes when you come into an NFL and you're a top five pick in the draft you're going to have this high horse you about like how great you have to play but then you got some other people that have come into this league way later than the top five the first round and played pretty darn good football you know what and everyone wants to go to Tom Brady I was gonna go to Brock pry but we'll talk about him tomorrow night because he did not look good not a good week to pick pick him as your example but to leave I'm gonna throw this I'm gonna throw this option at you that I don't ever see teams do and I don't know why so the Washington at the time Redskins when they drafted uh RG3 who do they also draft in the fourth

round who is that Kirk Cousins oh I never have gotten why teams draft one quarterback why would you not draft one quarterback draft Elite Round quarterback you think is a developmental guy because you know with a 5050 shot you hitting on the first round guy even if you went ahead and up your antie by 5% you still are more luy than not to fix your problem yeah I mean I'm just saying to me it makes a lot of sense draft a couple quarterbacks who gives a damn because if you don't have a quarterback everything else is for not if you don't have a quarterback you know what you are you're the Giants yeah that I mean that's H you take that back you boil that all down because RG3 definitely seemed like the answer oh you're not gonna luck out to get that same combo they got I mean let's be honest RG3 if Shannon aan didn't didn't didn't you know him and Destroy his career which let's be very Frank the way he plays he was going to destroy his career eventually anyway he did the same problem when he you know when he played later on with with was it the Browns he played next for I think yeah so it's like that's just who he was as a player but you know having a player like Kirk Cousins behind him we talked about Kirk Cousins before he may not be the best quarterback ever but he's still an above average Quarterback um you know again that's what I think team should do I think they should just go ahead and keep drafting quarterbacks you find one just keep going draft to draft to draft you know Drew every round in the next draft we should just take a quarterback let's just draft quarterbacks we'll do our first Mock Draft Tomorrow quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback all right let's see D Dennis says can we get a second round pick for D no we can't D's staying

stop uh my dad says DJ has a neck issue that will probably not away will make that will be more will more than likely get worse with age as somebody who has several joint issues that have gotten worse with age I can agree with that 100 per. it's gonna happen it's gonna happen uh Connor says Drew you said fing hell's yeah and I liked it that's why I said thanks keep up true okay well F and hell yeah I remember saying that but yeah I say semi curse words all the time withes he says we've killed Eli Mannings last years and now Daniel Jones's first years because of a line yes and no we killed Daniel Jones in a lot more ways than just the offensive line we killed them with offensive coordinators we change we changed coaches on them every two years there's a lot of things we messed up on Daniel Jones and we probably never know if he could have reached potential or not yeah he uh five years in this league he had two well sorry not two but he had one coach that played back toback with him and it was just hey coach and it was just nonstop y Dennis says intelligent people are too smart to give us such a word see he says oh I know ask kisser that's not that's not the word my dad says drafting a QB not drafting a QB and going through this again next year scares me yes 100% at least if we drafting a quarterback we're hopefully moving in the right direction we need to do it uh plus but cap situation now nice to have another four or five years a cheap quarterback uh Connor says what exactly is wrong with his neck if it's bad I don't think they'd let him play let alone full practice if it was that bad well they haven't let him play we're going to get into his status in his neck in a little bit here so but they haven't let him play and on top of that there said numbness in his left arm which means it's not just his neck it's affecting his nerves and everything too I I don't want to pretend to be a doctor I don't to pretend to know his full medical stuff that I don't have access to is none of my business but in the end if you have numbness in your arm I can tell you point blank I get tingling in my leg from my back issues that's neres that's what that is yeah I mean it also depends we were we started talking about this uh previously so I've had a herniated disc yes in my back I didn't feel my three quarters of my right leg for almost a year plus that's one type of ner he felt other parts of his body enough though

yes I've also had a

stranger those like all Rats the movie The Stranger would you like a piece of

chocolate but I've also had a stinger in the neck which is a pinched nerve in the neck which isn't quite the same thing as a herniated disc kind so they're not letting up exactly what it is and when you're saying he's not feeling or he's getting pins and needles like when I had a stinger in my neck every time I turn to the left my whole right arm got HS and needles to the left to the left to the left to the left to the left to the left a different it's a different pain it's a different situation to be in we got a situation over here the situation I think that's our first jersey sure comment but yeah I think again I don't want to I don't want to guess too much this medical because I don't have access to it so again I shouldn't but it's it's kind of hard to do it but if you're getting tingling in your left arm and it's enough to keep you out of football for a couple weeks because you're tingling in your left arm that's probably not a stinger that's probably Nerf

well yes all we can do no but I'm saying it's not like that kind of thing like I get a stinger is like it's like it's like a a neck version of a charlie horse like it's not that big a deal like it's going to go away and it's own a couple of days that depends on the severity of it yeah it took me about two weeks for the most part for the most part so but like I said we'll see maybe eventually we'll learn uh Conor says LOL Drew on American Psycho I still love it I love when he talks about Huey Lewis and then love his he chases girl and goes psycho LOL somehow it doesn't doubt me I don't doubt that you love that Connor Conor's like you know what I've always loveed to do drop a chainsaw from a staircase yeah

just yeah uh Connor says I like bust but only on women LOL that's not what I hear Connor um Conor says guys what QB would you like to draft in for draft would you pick first in this draft or would you go all in a line in defense and get a free agent QB or give Daniel one last chance uh hypothetically if we get the first overall pick and I let Rob give his answer because it might be different than mine I just want the best quarterback in the draft because I'm done with Daniel Jones and I think our offensive line while it has issues some of the issues are stemming from injuries you know get jmss back fully healthy that we had last week get Andrew Thomas back in in there maybe move Evan Neil to to uh guard and maybe we just have a right tackle position to fill and maybe Justin Pew fills that position no problem so I'm not I'm not sold on we need to go line line line line line like I have in the past I am sold on if you don't have a quarterback you suck yeah I mean we're not gonna get the number one draft deck We're not gonna get another two three or four you never know you never know listen you never know we you're right I don't it's only halfway through the season we're right now picking third it's not like we're picking 15 touche we will win games like we said earli in this podcast I hope not at this point but I do think start celebrating losses I hate to say it that way because I want the I want what's best for the Giants in the long term and best for the Giants in the long term is getting a top quarterback sorry it is yeah I mean I'm always a component of best uh drafting the best player in the position of the draft so is it a quarterback then yes we have to go out and get a quarterback first round I do think we still need to work on this offensive line I also think we need to work on offensive line coach yes yes and I think that could be a big game changer where you might not have to focus on the players yes because there's there's been been a there's been a lot of plays that just didn't make sense where people don't look like they know where they're at if you will when you're watching these games

um but yes if we can improve the talent at the offensive line we can make Daniel Jones look better than can't look worse exactly have to pay him next year either way granted you want to start putting a younger person behind him now to take over that role we'll see we'll see all right so let's see Connor says hi Daddy Conor's obsessed with saying hi to our dads I noticed that you're right uh Deb says last I read it was a disc injury which was said to be not that bad well anything about neck injury keeps you out for weeks it's not uh it's not not that bad it's it's more of a not that bad right now we need to make it sure it doesn't get horrible and if there's that risk that means that that's that risk anytime he goes out you're just trying to minimize the risk by getting him healthier before you start him again yeah I mean if it's a bulon disc that's not the end of the world that's not rushed yet yeah my dad says one neck injury is bad enough but a second one looks like a reoccurring issue just like people with back issues and I'd agree with that yeah what you start playing with your disc like playing what every time you start playing with those disc in the back oh I said something else at first yeah yeah yeah get your M out of together but for everyone out there it's not an MD here's here's a quick view you got your vertebraes and up to your neck all the way down to you know through your spine down to your hip there's a lot of jelly it's like a jelly doughnut in between every of those disc like the jell you got a little jelly donut and with the buling disc that doughnut just kind of slips out a little bit from the their vertebraes but when you herniate it you pop the jelly right out I could go for some donuts right now that sounds good actually you just that's something that you just don't fully recover from raspberry jelly donut right now sound amazing talking about spinal fluid and my dad also says I like the Giants to call Detroit about H and hooker and see how much it would cost if we pick and if we pick a QB in the draft check out Jaden Daniels out of LSU uh he's definitely on a list to check out once we start checking out quarterbacks but head and hooker I've already mentioned on the show again we should go ahead and look at that option he's he needs to be evaluated alongside the rookies in this draft and if he's better than these rookies in the Giants opinion then go make the trade I don't care if you give a first round pick for him you have to do what you think is right because the position is too important not to do that correct and in the end the Lions will probably keep Goff and not want to keep H and hooker so um he Al so Connor says I hear we're third in the drafts he says so if we get we're third so if we are third get QB if our Lo fix with first pick second now again you pick best player available Connor it's based on who's available based on what your Deeds are It's a combination but for the most part it's best player available all right let's get off the comments we got a caught up here and we're an hour in we still have a lot of topics to go through um see so Daniel Jones the big news also today we're talking about him he got medical clearance for contact according various reports initially he was reported by Ryan dun leevy the New York Post uh apparently Daniel Jones was granting clearance on Sunday before the game Brian dable confirmed as much see here's the problem is the Giants already classified him as out on Friday yeah once you classify him as out he can't come back in so that just pisses me off more because if the Giants had put him as questionable and then let's say they go okay questionable okay yep he's good to go all right let's put him as the backup to Tyrod Taylor because he hasn't practiced all week he hasn't you know gotten first team reps all this kind of stuff he could have been the guy coming in to win the game for us against the Jets and they would have let him throw the ball so that to hear that kind of stuff just pisses me off more than anything else it's just it's absolutely ridiculous um and fact Brian da in this whole thing said basically that he didn't even know he was clear to play until after the game which is dumbfounded because as a head coach that's your job to know don't admit that kind of stuff don't admit that publicly I'm just saying yeah yeah bad move bad move but it looks like Daniel Jones will be ready to go for the Raiders he will be practicing full including full contact on Wednesday um so at least that's some good news for us because we're running out of quarterbacks guys uh as far as other quarterbacks the New York Giants reported that quarterback Tyrod Taylor has been released from the hackin saac University Medical Group hospital after his rib injury uh rib injury is still somewhat of a mystery same as the neck injury for Daniel Jones not a lot of information being given out um but you got to be curious what happened because keep in mind a couple of years ago that he had a punctured lung and a couple fractured uh ribs when he was playing for the Chargers again that was because of the Chargers medical team mishap not because of an injury he had but still when you're you know when you're going ahead and having an issue like this and you've had a history of ribbon series it's a little scary I'm sure so uh you know all the best of luck to Tyrod Taylor dude get healthy uh your life before football sounds weird saying that as a football guy myself here but your life before football man keep yourself on you've had a good career it's better if and I'm not suggesting he retired I don't have the information to say that but if if the doctors tell him to retire dude he

should cover everything important yeah having holes in your lungs is not a good thing yeah so I mean we'll see let's see what we we don't know what happened fully so I don't want to say he's got a punctured lung but he had one a couple years ago yeah that's what just makes it scary um Giants also had a signing today Giants signed free agent quarterback Stanley Thomas Oliver I know one of you guys in the comments I forget who mentioned that had said that hey maybe D Jackson because of this it was it Connor uh yeah this guy is not the guy who's going to be replacing Dory Jackson so uh he's normally with the Panthers where he spent the past three seasons primarily played on the uh practice squad was injured almost every single year you can see now why the why the car the Panthers loved him so much and the Giants were like we need to get him he's injured all the time um so that was initially reported by NFL Insider Aaron Wilson uh he's a former wide receiver as a seventh round pick in the 2020 draft by the Panthers from Florida International that was converted over to a corner he's particip I ated in 25 games for the Panthers with no starts whatsoever he's got 17 tackles 12 of them being solo but the primary thing he does is special teams and I think it's just a matter if we've called so many people up from practice squad and stuff like that that I think that's what this is more about because he was released from the Panthers practice squad back in September so I heard we signed him I have not heard of active roster specifically no one has said either way I have to think this is a practice squad signing so we'll see if I'm wrong you never know I've been wrong before doesn't happen often but every so often um we also had news today that our new punt returner which I should I say because we didn't talk about him really in in the post gamees were so pissed off other things I didn't think he did a bad job at all yeah the amount of times he actually had to oh my God he had like 10,000 punt returns yeah it it was insanity but we waved him uh specifically today so Gunner is officially a fation again uh but from everything I've heard it's procedural because they sign him to the active roster so he's back down to the practice squad when they resign him in another day or two and he'll be back up to play the game against the Raiders as well from everything I'm hearing at this point you might as well go ahead and put him on the regular squad for the whole season I mean as good as he looked like there's no one going to beat what he did as scary as that sounds and it's not even that he did that good necessarily it's just everybody else sucks so much absolutely Insanity he

wasn't yeah I mean he played Let's see we got six returns for 56 yards that's a 9.3 average I'll take it 9.3 average I I don't know how bad the Giants is overall for the for the years but I'll tell you 9.3 is a lot better we've had and six punts in that's not like that's not he's had like you know like a quarter of experience six punts in is usually like two or three games yeah so yeah like I said good to have good to hear he's coming back at that point hopefully that is what happens I'm sure it's a wink wink nudge nudge and that that's why he's able to do it that way and why they did it uh but yeah overall guys big day and giant land again Leonard Williams traded the Seahawks for a second round pick and a and a fifth round pick next year with us picking up the tab for most of his salary who cares uh we got to keep an eye on the rumors and everything with the Dory Jackson Xavier McKenna Paris Campbell those are the guys most likely to get traded if anybody else does uh saquon Barkley will probably not be traded Daniel Jones clear should be starting next week Ty R Taylor out of the hospital no woring when he'll return to active duty uh and again Giants sign a scrub Stanley Thomas Oliver he signed uh gunar oesi is is cut today but we expect him to see him back up and playing again next next week here so no exciting day overall Giants tons of news tons of news you wouldn't think that on a Monday like this but tons of news so much we were pushing back the pick I the recap show till tomorrow so we'll have that for you guys we're actually going to record that after this and just pop it up tomorrow's separate thing so that'll be on a delay one there for you guys um but we just knew we'd be talking about this stuff for a while especially the Leonard William stuff so we figured hey you guys be bored if you get like two and a half hours of us tonight be be three hours later seriously plus you guys got a put football game to watch here it's already started probably at that point there so guys enjoy the game um it's nice now it's a giant fan to not watch the Giants because at least we won't be so pissed off after the game where we're at that's where we're at so um again we're going to be we'll see you guys tomorrow night um we're have we'll have it up we're going to put that one up for you guys 900 PM uh if anything happens tomorrow we will pop on to give you guys a heads up might have have to do do two episodes tomorrow we'll see so it depends on what else the Giants do to be honest I was hoping something else would happen you know tonight and we'd have a better you know better idea of where the rest of the this season's going for the Giants here but so far that's it that's all they've talked about um so we'll have to you know keep an eye see what happens there uh I I fully expect that we will probably have to do another episode tomorrow I think aor Jackson's going on I can't see how they keep him but stranger things have happened stranger things have happened guys um so again we're always live every Monday Wednesday Thursday and right after the game on Facebook Facebook YouTube Twitter SLX I almost said twitch I mean like Twix I mean it said twitch not Twix twitch and of course Rob is just pointing at me like a rude person because LinkedIn page oh yes my LinkedIn page uh and of course always we're on uh all the audio podcast platforms the next day as well um so Apple Spotify iHeart Radio all the fun ones there and that of course don't forget also before we go we got to pay the bills enjoying the show looking for more goofball action consider a membership at buac coffee.com two giant goofballs membership stocked at just $5 and give you additional goofball access onetime support payments also available starting at just $3 buy me a coffee.com two giant

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