2 Giant Goofballs: A NY Giants Podcast

Odell Beckham Jr Works Out & Giants Corners 2022 Positional Review

March 10, 2023 Drew & Rob Episode 96
2 Giant Goofballs: A NY Giants Podcast
Odell Beckham Jr Works Out & Giants Corners 2022 Positional Review
Show Notes Transcript

Rob & Drew talk about Odell Beckham Jr's workout plus do a positional review review of the giants corners from 2022. We all know how important corners are in Wink's defense. The Giants were definitely not the strongest at the position. How did everyone do though? Do we need to fix the position? Who plays CB2 next season?

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welcome to two giant goofballs a New York Giants podcast are you a goofball that loves Giant football if so sit back and relax except you that person driving sit up and keep your eyes on the road your ears though can still listen as we talk about the team that both excite and frustrates us so much and now and now here are your goofball hosts Drew and Rob

welcome fell goofballs two giant goofballs a New York Giants podcast I am Drew joined as always by me a Rob let's get the show on the road I'm just saying rob I may or may not have worn this shirt today in your honor as I got the Mario shirts they're walking down Abbey Road [Laughter] uh I apologize everybody but the late start they were having a little technical issues here with the interwebs and all needed to get that going or else you can't see that yeah The Weepies all the weaving problems I used to work for the cable Cody back up in Jersey and oh my God the names people used to give it the interwebs the weefies the the Wi-Fi's as if it's somehow pluralized you have more than one Wi-Fi apparently somehow oh my gosh the stuff people used to say fun times fun times so today folks we are here to give you guys all the latest news around the NFL uh give you a little talk about obj who had a nice little workout today uh not that I had one so there's one thing he and I don't have in common but uh also going over yeah I got I got a tattoo there we go we got some tattoos um and then we're gonna go over a course uh with you guys here all of our Corners here that was our original intent there we just added on the obj thing because listen I'll tell you point blank there's one guy even in our comment actually one of the groups we put it out there saying what the hell I'm tired of you guys pushing the obj thing I said we ain't pushing obj we don't even want obj we made that pretty clear yeah but the Giants keep on linking up with the guy and I don't care what our personal opinion is we're gonna give you guys all the information on the Giants whether we agree with it we disagree with it whatever the case may be because we're not here just to give opinion don't get me wrong we have opinions and we will give them to you no problem whether you guys agree disagree you know whether they're uh you know considered the PC thing to say or whatever like we're going to give you our opinions but at the same point we're going to give you guys some news no matter what we think of it so then we're also going to like I said go over all the corners here for you guys here we got a lot of information to give you guys in Corners there's some great Corners coming out this year in the draft and I think that's the really exciting part of the conversation here today so before we get started today we do have something Rob we do have some breaking news

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so breaking news is tonight there was a trade in the NFL a trade the number one overall pick that the Chicago Bears held is no longer with the Chicago Bears it is now the owned by the Carolina Panthers who now get to pick the quarterback of their choice this is a big big deal guys and I gotta say I'm kind of shocked it went down the way it went down I honestly expected this trade to be a two-parter I thought that the Bears would trade down with something like the Texans the Colts maybe trade down again a second time here but no they went right down to nine and the reason they did this is what they got back and I think the big piece they got back they wanted is they got DJ Moore in the deal they have a true legitimate number one wide receiver and they want to find out if they have a number one quarterback and how do you find that what have we been complaining about for years as giant fans you have to give talents around the guy and see what he develops into so that's what they're doing so they're getting DJ more that's that's one of the only big uh you know media thing here because that's only player going into the deal here they also get the number nine overall pick obviously so they're going down eight spots and that's it's they're still going to get a top you know top tier guy so let's be honest within those nine picks probably fourth thing would be quarterbacks the way things are going so they're gonna have their pick of one of the top five players in the draft that is not a quarterback then on top of that they get the number 61 pick which is a late second round pick keep in mind they traded away their second round pick in the cheese Claypool trade they made earlier on the season so they're getting a second round pick back they're also getting the first rounder next year and the second round of the year after that so two picks this year one in 24 the first rounder the second round were in 25 which sounds so weird to say 20 25 only two years away

alrighty so so yeah that's the first big big big trade to happen here in this this draft and I expect some more dominoes to fall because I'm telling you right now Arizona Cardinals will make a trade out of number three I think because especially after this you're gonna have the Panthers number one take QB you're gonna have the Texans number two take QB you're gonna have number four is the Colts who will probably take a QB so if you want one of the top four QBs or if you're the Colts and you want to block somebody else from blocking you you're going down to three a trade will happen with the with the with the Cardinals I'm telling you that right now it's gonna happen yeah most likely so it's time now for news from around the league

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boom I love that explosion at the end of that [Laughter] so we had a big retire retirement news here today so Devin McCourty who's been a safety since the dawn of man it feels like for the New England Patriots officially retired 13th the exactly 13 Seasons three-time Super Bowl champs three-time All-Pro four-time pro bowler that's one hell of a career I'm not going to sit there and say he's a Hall of Famer because I know people love to say that when anivia retires he's not a Hall of Famer but that's still a hell of a career I mean yeah three-time a Super Bowl winner but how many Super Bowl sees you went to a five yeah so yeah almost half of his years were Super Bowl years yeah I mean that's pretty that's pretty damn good and what like uh 20 of his career was playing in the playoffs yeah 15 of the square like that's listening he will go into if they have one and I'm not I'm not enough up to date on Patriot stuff to know this if the Patriots have their own Hall of Fame he'll be in it oh it's definitely be in it but he won't be the NFL one so I don't want to over glorify as far as that because I love when people die oh he should be in the Hall of Fame why you wouldn't have said it yesterday don't say it today Point Blank um we also had a player get rule actually we had a couple players get released today some one resigned one uh with a trade that potential here so first one we got is former giant Marcus golden the Golden Boy himself got cut by the Arizona Cardinals only had two and a half sacks last year after having 10 sacks to Prior a year so they cut them they seem about three million dollars so the fact that you know they traded they obviously they cut them for three million dollars tells you they don't really think very highly of him let's be honest even a halfway decent player you're holding on to for three million dollars so um I would say this giant fans if you're a Marcus golden fan because everything I've heard he was a very nice guy when he was here he will not be here again I'm telling you that right now he does not like the Giants it did not end well he will he will he will go play for anybody but the Giants I'm telling you right now he just does not like the team because the team did not necessarily do right by him when he was a free agent so next up we have the Eagles re-sign defensive end Brandon Graham to his 37th season with the Philadelphia Eagles it feels like how long has this guy been in the NFL for I feel like he's like 19 years alive talking like that oh my God um Eagles also had a conversation with uh Superstar cornerback Darius Slay told him to take a pay cut you know what he told them trade me no no no that's not even how it went down he said no and he said and he said but I want to be an eagle and they said if you want to be the eagle you're taking a pekka he said no and then they said okay go find yourself a trade partner

they can't afford them they're saying we talked about this the whole entire world we've already talked about it yeah she needs to be reside and they're gonna have to sign uh Jalen hurts to an extension

they're going to do with his offseason I'm telling you that right now they don't they have to they're gonna in their mind they're gonna have to I'm telling you right now yeah here I hear what you're saying but they don't have to it's like we shouldn't have tagged Barkley but we tagged Barkley because it's the right decision no no I would give you this comparison Jalen hurts is like their Dexter Lawrence at a more important position no offense to Dexter Lawrence I had one really good year and you still have a year under control there's no need to extend him like you're saying but they're gonna do it

in their eyes there's a need I don't know why there is just that need in their eyes I would say like if if you're a smart

yo uh you know yeah I get it if you were a smart businessman who was raised as a business boy you would not make this kind of decision and I hear from Philadelphia fans say like yeah I do want to reset this guy right away at the same time look at Patrick homes like listen I'm telling you right now if you put Daniel Jones behind that line that line he had top top line you give him two you know Pro Bowl One like All Pro Caliber receivers you give him a damn good tight end you give him a good running back a top 10 running back like that he would have looked amazing in that offense too oh yeah so it's also not take away from what channel Hurst has done like oh I'm taking it away I'm taking it away did you see that Hail Mary I'm taken away oh well come on my quarterback and throw more than 20 yards folks as much as I want to talk crap about Jalen hurts he did put the work in in this past off season but how much was it the team around him and how much was it the player exactly that and he's like you don't have to pay him yet like tell him to put the work in again and you'll get a better contract you'll be the first quarterback to make 55 60 000 uh a million dollars a year I mean Douglas we'll see it happens now we also had a wide receiver get released today Adam thielen from the Minnesota Vikings and I'll tell you right now giant fans are already like oh my God we need a receiver we should look at this guy no no and no not unless it's really really cheap this guy is washed up he appeared like just absolutely disappeared last year for them after being such a consistent guy for the last few years and when you're on a team with literally the best wide receiver in all of football and you can't get the ball it's not because the other guy's being a ball hog because you should be wide open because the job is not to stop Adam feeling it's to stop Justin Jefferson so when you're not getting the ball like that that's an issue you lost something yes 100 especially at 32 you've lost something so I don't mind having him on a cheap deal if you want him have to make a backup guy but I heard some people on on social media oh this is our number one we've been looking for he's a great possession receiver no he's not he's done so um

he's done as a per meter receiver how about that

okay there we go so Minnesota has another issue on their hands though besides having to replace him now zadarius Smith has informed the team that he wants a release he included by going ahead and posting on social media thanking the fans and teammates for his time in Minnesota that's how far he took it so yeah they yeah they said no they said no but he's disgruntled to say the least at that point um jets also made a trade and you guys been waiting for the Jets to make a trade this is not the trade you were waiting on that's not Aaron Rodgers they traded uh to get the seventh round pick to get Chuck Clark from The Raven safety so they're ramping up here they are ramping up Tony they watch the Jets off season because once that quarterback Domino Falls you could see people wanting to come on board to a team that looks like they were one quarterback away from going somewhere in the last year or so

funny talks about Jets like I I've been talking about football all season obviously because yeah I'm a football guy and yeah I was I was legit talking around like some football fans say like the Jets are just about a quarterback away from being a potential player for the Super Bowl yeah and I got left out but they're they're literally like

yeah so and now they're just making it even a tirish situation to their you know the stronger you know Pursuit for me if you will yeah yeah like I said it's gonna be a really interesting Jets off season I hate to say there's a giant fan because I don't ruin against them but I always want us to be better try to still be better but yeah they will be better because our quarterback won't won't be a 40 year old crybaby um he'll be a 26 year old well Pete Rose no I won't say it no way honestly for all the crap that Daniel Jones takes he's never once complained no no Batman has some huevos just saying that man has some huevos um let's see here so we got some wide receiver news so the Chargers restructure Keenan Allen and Mike Williams So for anybody hoping that they would drop those guys we'd get some uh you know uh some new potential receivers here on the team not gonna happen they created 14 million dollars in cap space now is it not gonna happen but that means it's that much more difficult probably cut them next year so just take those names out of your hat they're Charters they're going to be State Chargers now one option though that I didn't hear about until a couple of days ago here the Broncos are said to be quietly shopping around wide receiver Cortland Sutton so not that he's an amazing wide receiver but he would have been our top wide receiver last year so a name to keep an eye and see what happens there at CVS she does move we also got some XFL news I bet you guys didn't think we'd go there I didn't think we'd go there I was to say I don't think we were going to go there either no I didn't think so either but we got some news here so former giant Cody Lattimore remember him back in the day former Bronco former giant he's apparently switched over to tight end and unlike Kelvin Benjamin he's actually good at it apparently he's not just eating at the buffet so he's uh yeah there I look for him to potentially pop up next year in the NFL as a backup tight end somewhere because he's playing that good um we also got former giant Trent Harris is leading the league right now four and a half sacks and six tackles for loss so we got some Giants showing up here in the XFL so I guess we have the uh the almost NFL level players locked down with the Giants out yeah so on to officially on to Giants news here so the Giants were officially awarded the fifth and seventh round comp pick as expected so we do go in officially with 11 picks into this uh draft here which I believe is tied for most now keep in mind we don't necessarily have the most first rounder second round picks because we have just one of each of those but they're around fifth round seventh round we have a lot of ladder you know mid to ladder picks right that's when you try to like death Talent yeah yeah no I'll definitely agree on that one there that's where you get the depth there and that's what are we missing depth depth of our soul yeah um we also had news that Tiki Barber is making it to the hall of fame Tiki Barber making it to the hall of fame as someone to introduce his brother into the Hall of Fame of course but not yeah there we go

now I'll say this though and you know I've said this forever Rob since we've done this show I've mentioned this like three or four times Tiki Barber should be in the Hall of Fame I will still say that Tiki Barber should be in the Hall of Fame if you look at his numbers they are just as good as Marshall Fox

look it up I'm telling you comp wise he is right there on now he may not have played for as long so we didn't get the accumulative quite much but on the per year average he was a better player than Marshall Faulk was who's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Tiki Barber should be in I think the big issue is US giant fans hate him for what he said about Eli and all and hated by the own team you were on it doesn't help your case so also uh last year's weight uh preseason pickup Tony Jefferson the safety he's no longer a safety he's not feeling so safe he's now a linebacker he wants to convert to a linebacker and it's an interesting move in the day where the NFL now has all these guys that are smaller linebackers and it used to be when you were a corner you got older you moved to safety I wonder if you're gonna start seeing this more now where these guys that are older that are safeties that might be losing a step go you know what let me add 10 pounds I'm a linebacker now

I mean I don't think that's far-fetched no it's very easier like it when you get older it's put on that muscle mass and you don't move as fast but you can still be just as strong if not listening your your slowest safety is a fast linebacker yeah

and I get the test it's definitely easier to put on weight as you get older yeah that's what I'm saying like well if you're a 220 you know 215 pounder like safety yeah yeah you're fast and you go up to 240 if you owe that yeah you're a linebacker and you're still fast yep no yes and with the time just going to the gym especially like these guys too like it just comes on natural oh yeah and then we got Giants 366 um went ahead and reported that Sterling Shepard is still rehabbing and is expected to play next season but no final decision has been made so haven't heard any chef news except for what we've been anticipating which is exactly what we just said um but like I said it's interesting somebody else reporting the same thing here uh Mike Garofalo with the NFL network was on Art stapleton's podcast uh he said that Giants are going to be interested this off season in free agents Marcus Davenport which you know I've been Big Mike isaki fan from day one of this thing he also was kind of non-committal on the rest of the stuff didn't want to give names he said some lesser known wide receivers and they also could swing big for a Difference Maker in the draft which is interesting we do have all those picks if we there's a really a guy we won we got the picks to make the move to move up yeah so we'll see you there now on to part of what we just said we're going to discussed in this whole episode here right off the bat uh we're off the uh the get-go here is the Giants were there today as obj was working out in Arizona displaying his talents now that he's about about 13 months removed from his latest ACL injury that he had in the Super Bowl not this season but the prior season so it was interesting because all year long when the lat later picks there were going they were talking about you know is obj gonna sign with the bills the Giants the Cowboys where is he gonna go in the end no one signed him because he refused to even work out so the fact that he's publicly working out is a good sign I think it means he's much healthier um at least physically um I have to question mentally based on his hairstyle he's using right now um but have you seen his hair right now dude it's like Dennis Rodman he's got like a rainbow like colors everywhere on his on his head right now and it's funny because I didn't know you know who it was when I saw a video at first and I see the back of his head and all that's all I see him running down the football field I see the multi colors going like Bozo the Clown and I'm like who the hell is this clown sure enough it was that clown it was obj doing one hand yeah it was that clown so you know we've been pretty consistent on our thoughts on obj over the uh you know the last few months here at the right price he's potentially worth a shot but that's probably the most positive thing you'll hear us say about obj because in the end he's a headache I know people love him they're giant fans of love and I don't blame you guys for love him he gave you some give us some great memories and some great games but personality wise he's too much of a him guy not a team guy at least they are humble I can see him but yeah like you see him go it's actually Arizona them getting rid of dehat I don't think so he wants to win he wants to win you're not winning next year in Arizona especially with uh you know a quarterback that's got an ACL tear issue you think he's going to be rehabbing very well if he's gonna do right on Call of Duty I'm just saying Call of Duty wins every time so what I do think well I mean you do is not a Call of Duty you're saying oh maybe that's just me I do I do think a team like the bills might be a good fit uh I do think a team like the the Patriots would be a good fit but one thing to think about though is he also has a wife now and a child and his wife works on the West Coast

so he may want to play in the west coast to be with her and the child at that point so yeah and uh isn't demo going to be a free agent or cool d-ball over in San Francisco Samuel no they already signed up with extension today okay yeah they already signed a new extension I've heard rumors of the um the Chargers being an option there because it's in LA um the Rams obviously he's played for them they're interested so I'll give you this this is the list of teams who had a representative go to the workout the Panthers obviously they're looking for number one after today the Giants the Patriots the Rams the Cardinals the 49ers the bills the Chiefs the Vikings the Browns and the Ravens on top of that Jerry Jones himself said the Cowboys would be interested but they wouldn't be sent somebody to that workout they don't need to see it they said I guess they see the video and that's enough for them at that point I mean let's be honest that video is going to be everywhere once it releases I haven't seen it yet yeah it's gonna be everywhere um sauce Gardner was also seen recruiting obj and there's been talks before about Aaron Rodgers and obj back in Green Bay so you have to think the Jets are potentially in the mix as well which if you're a giant fan and you still love obj and you see him wearing green when he could have come here just saying love should disappear um as far as the Giants reps they set wide receiver coach outgrow and they said a member of the Personnel department and I didn't hear who that was it was just a member of the Personnel Department so they did send a coach and a Personnel guy so that's something at least but I don't know how much to think into that because again they didn't give a guy show Joe Shane there they'd have Brian dabel there but again you can watch a video and see everything you see the fact they had anybody that remains their interested so we got a comment here from John Anderson I said I don't hate Tiki half those comments about Eli was not included and it was misinterpreted Tiki gave us Great Moments I was there when he broke records and Eli Manning got his first win because of him like I said John I'm not a fan of tiki the person but I will separate the two and say he said Hall of Famer he should be in the hall Point Blank there's plenty of people that I don't I don't like necessarily personality wise that are in the Hall of Fame Warren Sapp comes to mind that guy's known to be the biggest jerk you'll ever meet in your life still listening Aaron Rodger's gonna be there Aaron Rodgers will be in the Hall of Fame quickly a great example Brett Favre not that I'm saying he stole from the people of Mississippi

yeah break out the lawsuit farf because I said I'm not saying it allegedly clearly I'm saying I'm not saying it yeah

McAfee plus I have no money to take so go for it yeah all righty so let's break right into our talk of the corners here so I think the big thing we got to talk about here is not just how they played this year but where do we see these individual players going for because before we look even who we want to add you gotta look at who we want to keep so the name of the top of that list obviously is adorian Jackson but here's the problem with the Dory Jackson 19 million dollar cap hit this year

the money it's a lot of money but you know let's Shane's probably gonna do renegotiate so yeah I've heard a bunch of mixed things up because keep in mind it's getting to those late 20s he's had some injuries so he's 28 right now so my thought process was let's give him a three year extension yeah and just rip this last year up and just give him a three year you know what I mean and so you're basically adding two years onto the deal he'll still be at that point you figure if he's 28 now he'll play 20K 29 30. and he still has a chance to get another another contract after that because early 30s you can still play corner for a little bit yeah so yeah depending on the individual like some quarters three four three five yeah and look at Patrick Peterson last year he's he's almost 33 and he was a top corner for the Vikings and didn't didn't wasn't bad I mean don't get me wrong I don't think he's ever gonna get a big deal again but he didn't play Bad he'll still get the year-to-year deals but he still got his money I mean adoree was just so shut down this year

you can't look away like yeah 19 million's a lot but if you turn around

every now and then you gotta rip up the contract turn around

negotiate the contracts keep them here I mean like I said I think for a guy gadori who goes okay I'm 28 I've had some injuries I got a lot of money coming to me this year but it wouldn't be better to get a whole lot more money coming long term I think you take it I really do and obviously I don't know him personally I could be wrong on that um but yeah we'll have to see what happens um it's an interesting it's an interesting option there to go for a Dory Jackson over again a new brand new deal and get that cap number down I'm not even saying get it down like to nothing but if you can get it down to like 13 14 million dollars that's still five or six million you saved that's still another player

um speaking of the corner we do have another Corner that is a free agent Fabian Moreau the late late season obviously the late preseason pickup we got from the Texans that just totally I think blew with the expectations out of the water totally did um you know yeah it's very low expectations at the beginning of the year and he would expectations remember that Mad TV back in the day oh yeah oh my God I used to love Mad TV back in the day I'm aging myself right now for the kids that don't know Mad TV which is obviously Mad Magazine they made their own version of SNL and look up the cast you'll see you'll go okay I know this person from that thing this person from that like Will Sasso pops into stuff all the time Nicole Sullivan uh Phil Lamar it does like literally every voice over thing you could ever think of any cartoon you ever see look up the cast I guarantee you philomars in it he's that guy every single cartoon he's in yeah um but yeah like I said good stuff all over the place there that show is in the day um but yeah Fabian Moreau was just this was his best year by far I mean how do you go from getting cut by the Texans to being a legit number two corner

that's that's pretty impressive there that's pretty impressive yeah yeah so I mean like I said he's a free agent so it depends like was it like his best year and that's all we're gonna see from this guy was this past year or does he have potential is it the coach's staff so for the right cost you got to keep him but if he's asking for big contract out the door you go yeah so like I I like this play like he he did beginning of the year it didn't look as great but

he was in here like yeah he's uh he's the guy you want to keep on for the right uh for the right here's my thing if we can lower a Dory down like you said like like five six million dollars hand that money to Fabian Morel for a year give him a second year with us you didn't spend anything extra you're still exactly where you were caps by cap space wise it still doesn't stop you from getting somebody else agree it just guarantees that you don't go lower than where they could have been at that point there so we got another comment here from John Anderson hate him because he was a cowboy but what do you think of Damien Wilson linebacker he got released today maybe get him cheap um John who who was a cowboy I guess is the first question I'm trying to think back to who we were talking about I can't remember a guy who was a cowboy we were talking about huh um oh you're talking about I thought oh they're talking about the players were talking before okay Damien Wilson because he was a cowboy I got you I thought it was two separate thoughts this is what happened what happens but it's like 10 o'clock at night here so so yeah um I'll put it this way I'm not interested in that she blind bagger yeah okay just confirmed that yeah I'm not interested in it and Achieve linebacker John we have to fix that position we have to go get the right guy and the right guy is not going to be cheap he doesn't be expensive it has to be 20 million a year on backer but it's gonna be at least a 10 million dollar a year linebacker if we're gonna get cheap linebacker it's going to go from the draft exactly uh Ken Cristiano comes in with hey guys how about that bearish trade yeah can we started that with the show there and I'm telling you I honestly think you guys could have gotten more but I think you guys just want to DJ more that bad I think you legitimately want to get a top weapon so you can see what you got in the quarterback which is smart in the end but I still think he probably could have gone down to number two with the Texans and still made this exact trade with the with the Panthers and got more but what do I know I'm not behind the scenes so at least I try to say it that way I'm not who knows so the next player we got coming up here is the guy that I talked so much trash about this preseason assignment funny so much sir every single game I was really against this guy I did I'll say a point blank I did and it's Aaron Robinson a Rob himself

I I cannot tell you how surprised I was when the regular season started and I'm not gonna see you look good or great or anything like that but he didn't look nearly as bad as looking the preseason that's right he looks way better I don't know what the hell happened like you I get I don't know if he was just didn't want to practice didn't want to play in the preseason which is stupid because you got the starting job like hand it to you basically because you're young let's be honest in that he was young and the highest draft pick young guy we had and that's why he got the job um but yeah he's in his third year of his rookie contract he'll definitely be back um I was curious to see what happens him coming back from his injury because obviously he was injured for three quarters of the season so we'll have to see what he does um but you know third year of a rookie deal he'll be back um Nick McLeod he was a little bit of a shocker for me to be honest because here's a guy that we basically got to be a bottom level Corner that you hope to never see the field and he didn't embarrass himself he was that good value debt peace guy he was a good c-plus player yes if this was computer programming we would say he was a C plus plus C plus plus yeah like he he wasn't your top tier he wasn't even like he was just

I don't even say just below average like but he was quite average of the corner in that position like but he like you said he didn't embarrass himself he went out there and like he made some good plays and he left some good plays but he held his own in the NFL so yeah yeah like I said for a guy we picked up late a little off the scrap Heap that's not a bad move we and the interesting is we have him still for next year on top of that so he signed for this year at 940 000. and if we cut him there's absolutely no cap head so I'm telling you right now he'll be in Camp and unfortunately not have any cap and if we cut him means if it's a tie the tie goes the person who has the bigger cap head so I won't say it's a guaranteed back next year but he'll probably be back next year I'll put it that way I think it's a pretty decent chance yeah now the guy who won't be back next year is darny Holmes he will not be back next year folks unless he restructures his deal that's the one in caveat I'll give because he was on the field decent amount but if we if we cut him we save 2.7 million dollars folks 2.7 million dollars I can't stress that enough almost three million just by cutting darny homes but let's be honest has not blown away the competition he's been a guy that if you look every year it seems like they're trying to draft his Replacements in space since his rookie year they did that when they got Aaron Robinson they did that when they got caught off a lot so thanks I've always thought something is off with him as far as him in the disconnect with the organization I don't know if there's something personality wise there or they just don't have a lot of faith in him I don't know which one it is but yeah I fully expect to be gone and I bet people were wondering what about the cap head the cap hit for cutting him is 198 thousand dollars that's it see you later girl bye bye bye bye bye darling bye bye bye bye

I would say a dance troupe is not in her future yeah so here's wtt so good here's another surprise out of this group chordophlot like when he got drafted we were all like what the f who the hell is like this was the guy that had like a fifth round grade by a lot of guys we got him in the third round and I was livid when we got him livid and I'm still not sold that it was a good value for us to take him there when we did so I don't want to sit there and say it that way but he didn't do as bad as I expected

I mean yes potential so yeah I said well to see how much he continues to grow and see where he goes from here but second year were rookie deal and all he'll be on the squad next year I think that's pretty safe to say oh yeah now the next guy that I have questions about whether or not he'll be on the squad rodarius Williams so remember towards the end of the year there was two guys who complained about a lack of playing time it was Tay Crowder and it was rodarius Williams Tay Crowder was real quick yeah rogerius Williams stayed on the roster he even played in this the last game when all the Scrubs were going against the Eagles he's in the 30 of his rookie deal but you have to wonder if the organization wants to keep him around when he publicly called him out for not playing him because that was right on Twitter that wasn't like he uh you know got recorded in the secret conversation he popped it right out there on Twitter so if we cut him we save 897 thousand dollars we have a cat we have a cap hit of just 80 uh 87K

so he'll be a camp body but if he doesn't impress that's not going to help on his decision making time they're not going to forget that I can pretty much guarantee you that um next we have Zion Gilbert who's just a cheap guy to have around you hope you want to play let's call him what he is practice exactly so he signed already for next year as well at 870k then we got Justin Lane another guy like that you hope not to play him if we didn't have all the injuries he probably never would have played on with us in general free agent yeah so unless we have injuries or we want to bring him in as a camp body I don't see that happening so if you like where we're at we got Dory we got Aaron Robinson we got Nick McLeod we got Cordo flaude we got Zion Gilbert so that puts us at one two three four five guys if we resign Fabian Moreau that puts us at six now let's say Zion's on the practice squads that's where he's gonna be we're back down to five

that's a legit group I wouldn't say it's like a great group but that's still a legit like ready to go group if need be if we can't upgrade CB2 which I think is where we all want to upgrade yeah if you can't like if you look at that court group you're looking at what some somewhere in the B group if you're gonna give it like alphabetical agreeing I would say even essentially depending because of the debt but the problem is I was going to go with B minus but like when you have a shutdown corner it still helps faster but Dory Jackson who is that your eight plus he picks up all those C and B minus players are average so like and Aaron Robson like too like as long as he stays healthy yeah as long as he's healthy because like no more returning for you gets there no more punt return but when he looks good it's not your job but when he looked good and he would still play like he he looked like an A minus B plus player so like all these other guys are playing the CC minus they got elevated because of these two guys yeah like I said I I I'm okay with a group of need B but I do think we gotta pick up one guy to add to that group I would like to see that so I'm looking for one corner to rule them all precious to rule the second spot so let's take a look at the free agents because obviously we have two different options here we need to go ahead and get a free agent or we can go ahead and draft a guy I already have my preference but I'm not going to give you that yet let me give you who's available as a free agent I'm just gonna run down the list here real quick but there's a lot there's a lot because it's a big position I'm just giving you the the big name or the big name guys the guys who played a lot of snaps in the last season so we got Marcus Peters Jonathan Jones William Jackson Shaquille Griffin Ronald Darby James Bradbury Patrick Peterson Eli Apple no Kyle Fuller Rocky sin Sean bunting Jamel Dean Cameron Sutton those are all guys that are legit starters in this league but they're all guys who don't want to get paid

so as much as I think that there are some guys in there like a bun thing for example that could be a good CB2 for us

they're all gonna want to get paid I don't want to pay them no especially with uh what we're dealing with our cap right now the only one that really stands out to me maybe because it's sentimental is bad very like no he'll never come back he said he would but I'm telling you right now he was so livid and he was but but why would he come out in public say he will come back driving up the cost the more people that want you the more money you get that's what I really think it was all about now what you got to also look at though is it's the same GM it's the same regime it's not like this happened two years ago a ghetto maybe go oh well that was get them and this is us for a different now yeah but they turn around and say Hey listen we're cutting costs we couldn't afford you that's what kind of deal now because we got more of a a cap yeah honestly I don't think we can afford them now

he's gonna get he's going to want to get like 17 18 million dollars

so let's go on to the draft and that's where we're going folks so I'll give you that list of people if anybody watching here live wants to put in one of the comments here with the guy you want feel free to pop it in that sounded dirty oh yeah oh feel free to pop it in pop it into cups oh yeah um but yeah like I said let us know uh let's see what you think and let's let's let's see if you got a name maybe we weren't thinking of or if there's a name that you're gonna want to tell us that we're wrong on I'm curious to hear it um so you know what I'm gonna do one better even I am I'm gonna do one better if you guys want to call us in with one the goofball Line is now open call us in at

732-245-8736 the goofball lines now open so you can do better than the comment you can come right on the show tell us so let's go ahead and talk here about some of these draft guys though and then we'll get back to free agents if anybody calls and wants to give two cents here so let's go over the guys in the first round because it's a definite option for the Giants to look at a guy in the first round so the last couple of shows we've been talking about mid-range guys you know like uh third fourth rounders and that kind of stuff no we're going right to the big boys here because this is where we're gonna go we're gonna get a CB2 we're gonna have to get a guy in the first three rounds if not the first two so first up we got Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon so he is a man Corner that's one of these I looked at with these guys are they man or are they zone or are they a hybrid I want a man Corner guy straight up special at Wings defense that's Wings defense you cater to the defense unless you got an unbelievable Talent you think you can do something with

it's a draft you don't know if you got an unbeatable Talent so Christian Gonzalez like I said at Oregon uh good length athletic good ball skills not very strong that's the one concerned people have with them is he's gonna get bullied by some of the bigger receivers out there in the league next up after him you got it Joey Porter out of Penn State another man Corner good length Ball Hawk this guy's a day one starter this is my guy that I think is the best corner of the draft and I should say I'm going the list here you know facing the draft Network so they had Christian Gonzalez number five they had Joey Porter Jr number 11. I would go with Joey Porter Jr all day long Same by the way these guys are looking at the name yes that Joey Porter is his father the famous Pittsburgh Steeler linebacker and he fits in more of our draft spot like sort of like yeah if a corner goes out like he's like more available to us being at number 11. here's the other thing with him too he's a bigger physical Corner he's the guy that will pop you in that first five yards Man Press is Winx defense all day long so now right behind him he got Devin Witherspoon out of Illinois another man Corner Physical good tackler special team experience physical

but the one thing with him though is he's also very lean and there's some people who think he's better suited for the slop position because of that size we have enough guys in the slot we have slots everywhere we have more slots than the Playboy Mansion okay so we're good I I this is not a guy I would be looking at personally um number 18 cam Smith out of South Carolina the good old Gamecock um another listen that's their guys I can't this is the name this is I didn't make this up it's not like I'm just trying to be a pervert and see a Gamecock all over again if that was a pervert I would just say [ __ ] over and over again not Gamecock yeah hey don't be a Gamecock let's go so so this this uh like I said we got cam Smith uh and this game [ __ ] is a [ __ ] block let's just put it that way okay like he said yes that time I did it he's a man corner there you walk in uh very good with fluid hips physical the only concern that I've had with him is he's overly aggressive and tackling and covered sometimes meaning he'll make the mistake because he wants to make the big play and sometimes that's gonna work out sometimes it's not I'm not even saying pass interference

I'm saying more like the guy is the guy who goes for the interception and it lets up the big play that kind of move so it could be good could be bad so yeah uh I want to sell it too I'm not sure he's that guy

like I said I don't I and that's it depends can you out coach him out of this issue um you know I want to find out John Anderson Gamecock John come on

we're not saying that word boys let's get the game [ __ ] out oh yeah the Gamecocks the Gamecocks are coming laughs uh still who who names the team that like I gotta Wonder was this like a name they made like the 20s and this wasn't it didn't mean the same thing it just meant chicken back then it has to be it has like there's so many things with the word chicken that oh my God they used that word instead like could you imagine remember the chicken tonight's back in the day

imagine if they use that word instead listen I feel like playing tonight like I'm just saying this I'm just saying a [ __ ] was a fierce animal got snipped [Laughter] oh my God alrighty so next up we go from a Gamecock to a bulldog uh and Keeley Ringo not to be confused a Ringo Starr uh another man coverage guy very fast that's one of the biggest things you notice on this guy on tape really quickly he is fast as hell the issue is he has trouble changing directions um and what I mean by that is if you got a guy with a good route Runner he's going to confuse him he's going to make him make a mistake he also had better film last year than he had this year and that's something that always scares me you know that was a big thing in my opinion of the the issue we had last year with Derek Stingley versus sauce Gardner and I didn't want to go with Derek Stingley because I felt like his best tape was two years ago I want a guy who improves I don't want a guy who's going downward unless there's an injury or something like that I can say that's causing it so the best I might knowledge there was no injury so if we got any Bulldog fans that want to correct me on that feel free because I freely admit that there's 500 000 college teams and I can't keep up with every single one of them so we have next our last of the first round corners and that's number 30 Clark Phillips III I think he's outside Pinky's out for clock Phillips

another oh no oh another man coverage guy there um very quick good ball skills competitive but he's also much smaller and because of that he's also had some tackling issues so we'll have to see overall as far as you know if we can get a guy like that on there um then we got the second round in manual Forbes number 38 at a Mississippi State Mississippi Mississippi that's the guy I don't want personally he's experienced in Mana End Zone I want a man guyone I want a man coverage guy I gotta be very careful my wording yeah good instincts overly aggressive slim yeah I guess see the second so it's not a guy that I'm interested in having personally at that point so next guy up we have is DJ Turner out of Michigan so Zone guy I'm not interested in his own guy Winx defense is man coverage again now some people want to be saying okay wait a minute we're going to lose wink potentially in a year or so now hopefully now if we lose wink we get a different guy he might have his own system but you build around the current system you have because if you get the guys that fit a system then you get a similar system coming in with the next guy that's what you got to do that's just smart football because you spent now two years building into Wings defense so whether Wing stays around or not you got to build what the man coverage kind of system at that point there so the next guy we do have Caillou blue Kelly out of Stanford now that's a guy that fits the system much better he's ranked just 42 so just a couple spots behind DJ there man coverage guy he's best in press man coverage and the biggest knock on this guy is he's not very versatile at all he's not a guy that you can go okay I'm gonna take you out of the press man spot I'm gonna put you in in and back off the receiver a little bit or I'm gonna put you in a Zone he is strictly press man coverage so you know I will go with a guy like Kelly all day long because first off Stanford's a very smart school I know that Nestle shouldn't come into it because we're talking Athletics but I think like Richard Sherman coming out of school like that these guys are smart they understand football they get read plays it's all part of it I know people like to look at the physicality of football but there's still an intelligence level for certain positions certainly I mean certain positions absolutely right so especially as a quarter you need to be able to replace you need to understand defenses you need to understand the quarterback play you need to understand the receiver play and you need to be able to understand it all together if if you really want to break it down too like not to compare the two you know side by side but like some of the best armies are not the most physical armies it's the armies that could understand what is coming at them and you know change their play to what's going on same thing with the defense so if there's an audible cause and your corner could understand what is going on is going to change how the defense operates compared to if they don't which lasts up a big play yeah yeah like I said I'll tell you a guy that that fits our system perfectly it comes to a very smart school and you know it's again it's going to be like a lot later round second second round pick there uh sorry leader second round pick so guess what we have a later second round pick so if we get if we we didn't get a guy in the first round that's the perfect guy who fits our system dead on um next guy we got is number 48 on the power ranking there with the draft Network Julius Brent's out of Kansas State another Zone guy don't want him um next after that we'll go to third round which is the the last one we're doing we'll do the first three and that's it because we're not gonna get let's be honest We're not gonna get a starter in the sixth round probably no that's your plan guys that's a bad plan very bad I mean it'll work out every so often but um so third round Garrett Williams is the first guy ranked 66 at a Syracuse Zone coverage guy and if people have been wondering why are we going over these names because there's Zone coverage I'm just giving you guys a heads up on who's who so when you hear this person this name called up on draft night and you're like oh damn it the corner we lost them you know who would care and who not to care about we don't care about the Zone guys um next one we have Deontay Bank I gotta love that last name when he gets his first big payday it's going to be a fun day for him right to the bank um

the Maryland tarpons

um man cover guy there we go good in press good size and length physical the only issue with him is he's not the fastest guy in the world so if you get a speedy receiver like Darius Slayton he's gonna burn him so you need to have some safety help in those scenarios agreed but most most of those really fast receivers are not going to be so wide receiver two or three so fast think fast be fast think fast be fast think fast be fast Chad Powers but I mean let's be real like usually like you know especially a rookie are they going to be the Y2 they're probably gonna be the one I'm sorry uh or leaving the quarterback too or three they're probably gonna be like towards three are you gonna face the fastest guy yeah that's something you work on listen for all we know for all we know they're gonna go ahead and have Sonic the Hedgehog on the squad you don't know yeah sonic he can really move Sonics

he's the fastest thing in life uh old commercial little cartoon back in the day it's funny how back then used to make all of our video games into commercials I always said to cartoons and now they're turning him into movies they made to Tucson I think they're making a third one I heard yeah Mario is coming out soon uh oh I mean that's explicit this second Mario movie third so if you want to if you want to count the original one who may Brothers and Super Mario Brothers with yes with uh Dennis Haskins from um Roger Rabbit and John Leguizamo yeah from who to Wong Fu will say

or spawn spawn he was in spawn spawn views is five who's also in John Wick he was he was in a lot of movies but yeah yeah but yeah yeah like I said it'd be interesting I just hope that I get the accent right this time because the last trailer I saw for the new Mario one was pretty bad all righty on to our next one here Julius Brent's at a Kansas State another guy who's a Zone coverage guy so I'm good not who I want again doesn't fit now here's the most interesting name potentially that you're gonna you're gonna get from me actually I'll say that's the second most interesting name oh yes the second most interesting man alive boom he drinks tres echase of so trevarius Hodges Tomlinson now you might be going that's a long name but she also might be going Hamilton Tom Watson Michael Damian Thomason yep that's his uncle

lt's nephew lock down man Corner out of TCU ranked number 70. athletic lock down man Corner TCU gave this guy a uh his job said you covered this guy and you keep this guy out of the game and he did it the only reason this man is ranked number 70 and not number 17. because I'm tall and he is yes he's five foot nine folks five foot nine so here's what I look at when I see that he's not gonna get interceptions let's call it what it is he's not gonna get interceptions he doesn't have the kind of length that you want from a guy who's going to be the ball Hawk he's also a guy that when he loses some of his physical abilities he's going to be in trouble real quick he said there's another reach to make up for mistakes call it what it is but when he's young like yes right at a rookie deal this is the guy that I'm telling you right now if something happens like let's say we don't get a linebacker so we have to get a linebacker in the draft we get him in the first couple rounds we got to receive in the first couple rounds we go okay we need to figure out something to start around for a corner that's a great option absolutely great option keys are for the first three five years and yeah exactly we'll also see where he's at at that point um next up John Anderson you asked for it Tyreke Stevenson out of Miami so I'll give you John's thoughts here because he put him right in the chat here good depth size and length that's what she said hey yo boom boom

so another man coverage guy and my my scouting report on him is very similar to John but not quite as perverted

so great length physical aggressive not a great tackler that's the one issue he definitely had at Miami not a great tackover but also if you're doing your job right as a corner they're not getting the ball so you don't have to hold it though that's the hoop but you still need to help and run you still need to help help and run covers too yeah you're not wrong I'm just saying you know how many outside runs we have this past year that just went and went and went and went and went I think you know like I think Travis etn is still running from his game against us he's still doing this no one's caught him yet so it's part of the part of the equation um number 98 our last one of the of the three Rounders Alex Austin out of Oregon State versatile the best in man coverage so I would look at a guy in the third round like this late in the third round that's versatile but specializes in man because of the fact that at this point you want the best guy available there's usually a [ __ ] to drop off though as far as you go here so good size and build competitive Donald like this one here here's the one for you John he's handsy

super handsy he's gotten a lot of issues with penalties for hands so

oh John says it wasn't about him it's what you said earlier okay see I was holding on John when he said that once I was waiting till we started talking about the kid in Miami so um but yeah like I said that's that's our last one now I'm gonna give you guys a wild card and this is not necessarily a guy that Giants will pick up because he's more of a Zone guy but what did we talk about before when do you make the move to get a guy to fit when there's a talent when there's a talent so tijuan Mullen out of Indiana ranked number 222

222 on the draft networks profiles for corners that's barely drafted yeah barely drafted now he's shown ability as a Blitzer what is Winkle have to do he loves it this guy does the Blitzkrieg Bop and like I said he's a Zone guy but at the same Point Indiana was his own defense we didn't get a chance to see him in man really so it's not necessarily on him at that point um his brother is Trayvon Mullen NFL player his cousin Lamar Jackson you guys may have heard of him MVP quarterback currently nobody wants I'm still trying to figure that one out um as a freshman honorable mention all right Big Ten apparently so as a sophomore first team All-American in Indiana that's not usually the school you hear about all Americans in football maybe in college

but not in football you know maybe I said we get like the Larry Birds the football basketball players had you don't get the football all-americans so first team All-American as a sophomore top rated defensive back in all of the Big Ten by PFF in 2021 but he only played in five games because of an angle injury started August last season but wasn't himself wasn't as good because of coming back from an injury so now the question comes to be did the injury zap him of something special

or did he need a year to come back that's not uncommon with the big injury I was gonna say that's not a common uh thing especially ankle it depends on like what it is in the ankle like some guys just aren't themselves coming off like they're not as aesthetic as they should be because it's not a physical thing it's a mental thing yep and once you're on the field doing it again the air after which would be his rookie year and the NFL you could come out being Stellar yeah granite you better come back be healthy but you're also going to be in the highest caliber in football yeah and but like I said when you can get a guy that late in the draft and we got to see where he goes because somebody else could say the same thing as me and say screw this this is the guy that I'm not putting this guy in the sixth round I'm picking up with the fourth or fifth and hoping he gets healthy hoping he comes back what he was I mean I wouldn't be surprised no nor would I nor would I at all but guys remember this name tier one moment because I'm telling you this is a guy that very well could be that late round guy that Woolen like he was this year for you know Seattle that you get really in the draft because somebody missed something or somebody overlooks something and then all of a sudden he's a beast

yeah so but yeah like I said I think it's pretty obvious what to do with a corner group overall I think we pretty much went over pretty cut and dry what to do you redo what Doria Jackson's contract get him a new new one for three years you use that money you saved to get Fabian Moreau you keep Robin Cindy keep McLeod to keep flot Zion Gilbert ends up in the practice squad you go out and you draft somebody who's going to be your CB2 your cb3 depending on how he does in practice depending how he does against Fabian marrow and practice there when they're competing for that second Corner keep in mind guys corner is not a position that you tend to come into the NFL and just crush it yeah and also we never really this once again this past year was the rebuild year this year coming up is still a rebuild year so like when you draft someone that is going to go into a position that you don't come in and dominate at normally you dominate in a year two or three yep it's okay to draft someone and they don't play well know that they're going to play well the following year and this is why this is the big reason why I want Fabian Murrell back because we know he was acceptable at least as a CB2 with eBay like I'm not trying to make it seem like he's the pro bowler he's the answer long term but now having him there in the roster as an option is not a horrible thing at all and we know he works in the defense

so my hope would be My Hope if we do go get a linebacker like a Drew tranquil he knows the guy I've been saying we do go ahead and get a a weapon in offense Like Mike iseki we have a linebacker position filled we have our main weapon build we need we have a first round a second round we have two third rounds okay so we got four tracks what I call Quality picks the first two days are quality picks these are guys that should come into your team and start immediately

we need a we need a wide receiver we need a corner we need an interior offensive lineman

we need to we got a wild car picking there we can really pick whatever we think is best we do that folks we've we've gone ahead and filled up all the holes no jokes from you John Anderson but we filled up all the major holes on the roster and don't get me wrong not every move you make works so I'm not sitting there saying we have this excellent amazing team now because we did that but we do have a pretty damn good start

and that's what's all about like I said it's a rebuild I know people want to hear that after nine nine and seven and one just sounds so damn weird to say nine and seven of one yeah on a rebuild yeah but guys we had a week week schedule last year we ended it rough we had some good teams towards the end of playing the Eagles twice as much as they hate to say them as a good team they're playing the Cowboys once playing the commanders who released a slightly above average kind of team uh for most of the year you know we had the Vikings we had we had some good teams to play later on in the year but there was that strips in the middle kick their butts it was brutal I mean we started off six and one for a reason guys some of the teams we played just weren't that good we can't count that every year so like I said let's fill those holes where we can I mean it's Baltimore and Green Bay not that good of a team Titans not taking a team yeah like I said I'm not saying they're all bad I'm not gonna sit there and say they're all bad but I am going to sit there and say that we definitely could face better teams than yeah and also with the cult's good but the Texans good that's awesome

we're gonna draft hopefully draft well like but also don't be surprised if we don't get 10 wins this year no no and listen I'll I'll say this with having a regular schedule we just end up with the same schedule that's still a winning season for me yeah if we still get nine wins next year it's a good year especially since the pride here the big thing for me is keep DJ off his back have somebody throw to yeah that's the progress we need to see that's the progress we need to see this year but Corner wise the progress we need to see is having a legitimate guy who we could say is an Heir Apparent to Dory Jackson because like I said we're gonna we're gonna I think we're I really do think we're gonna resign them I've heard mixed on that so I don't want to make it seem like I have some news or I've heard through the grapevine I've heard mixed onto myself but I think we'll do it I think we'll resign him to uh actually they're resigning me because he's still signed technically but we'll we'll give him a new contract get that number down have them for like three years gives us a chance to have somebody else be at the CB2 that we draft like like a Joey Porter Joey Porter Jr come on um and then by time we're ready to get rid of adori Jackson he is our newer Dory Jackson he steps in to be that big contract corner and then he drafted another one yeah I keep the cycle going keep drafting honestly corners of position guys that you should probably be drafting one at least every draft you should be drafting one lineman for the offense and one corner because those the two positions are going to put on more people on your roster than anywhere else if you're not constantly putting in a a big flux of young Talent into those two squads you're in trouble yeah you're not wrong even if you do every other year keep yourself every year every year let's keep it going because not only are the important positions but they can be expensive positions yeah so alrighty so next week giant fans give you a heads up what we're gonna do Monday believe it or not starts the free agency time period so Wednesday is the official League start to the new year but Monday starts that two-day tampering window of the NFL gives so originally we're going to continue our streak here of going through all the positions we'd have just regular safety talk now for you guys and special teams but we put a cancel on that because we're going to come at you live next week with all the free agency news so we already have it set to do on Monday Tuesday and Wednesday because we're expecting that much kind of info for you guys it's the most chaotic hectic few days in the NFL schedule coming up so keep up to date watch the goofballs we're going to tell you what's going on you know just all the news came down today even a lot of the stuff we talked in the beginning of this this show guys just happened the trade with the Bears and and the Panthers get the first overall pick that just happened tonight Marcus golden getting cut Adam thielen getting cut you know Darius like having to seek a trade now or take a pekka all this stuff came out today so you don't gotta scour the web we do it for you just gotta sit down for an hour or so with a beer in hand chill and relax so and the best way to know we're coming on besides keeping your phone on our page at all times follow us hit that subscribe hit the Bell on YouTube honestly that's the easiest way to hit the Bell on YouTube

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